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Hey ! Why doesn't our banks look this good?

Discussion in 'UHall' started by Lady_Mina, Jul 31, 2008.

  1. Lady_Mina

    Lady_Mina Guest

    Brit West Bank never looked this good...at least the asian brit west banks look stunning !

    Makes me wonder why ours looks so dull...

    I'd banksit more if Europa's Brit West Bank looked like that.
    I think more people would if it looked that nice.

    But why do asian shards have beautiful deco and 'normal english' shards don't?


    Hokuto Bank (Official Asian Shard)
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    Mizuho Bank (Official Asian Shard)
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    Yamato Bank (Official Asian Shard)
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  2. Crysta

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    Because they didn't have ungrateful b**tards masquerading as "volunteers" ***k it up with a lawsuit.
     
  3. AdamD

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    lol
    I think Crysta summed it up perfectly :p
     
  4. well said
     
  5. Maybe they are trying to prevent "banksitting". Why pay to play a game and sit at a bank and listen to everyone else's conversations? rolleyes:
     
  6. Crysta

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    Hard not to have it down after about 30 times or so. :p
     
  7. Nails Warstein

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    Although I didn't agree with the lawsuit, what people don't understand is that "the volunteers" had to put in so many hours a week or lose their status as counselors. This made living real life and volunteering hard to juggle for most of them. Many didn't complain only a few with a legitimate gripe. Also the lawsuit came after EA was preparing to scrap the program due to the legality of their stringent rules and restrictions. It was a catch 22 situation. Had EA created the volunteer program properly in the first place, we might still have counselor/seers today. Although who could have imagined how successful UO was going to be when it first launched?

    Which is why EA could have the volunteer program return IF they applied the necessary precautions for fixing the legal loop holes in case of future lawsuits. Perhaps EA should also consider licensing the volunteer program out to a separate entity that takes on all the risk. Stratics here loosely takes a risk here by providing a forum of discussion. UOassist and the old UOAutoMap each takes on an element of risk when providing a feature or service. WRR takes a risk no doubt as well.

    Hence a counselor/seer program could be out sourced to a willing entity that would adhere to EA standards while providing a valuable service to its customers. The contract could be written in a manner that makes it strictly volunteer for a limited time period of say a year with an option to renew annually if all goes well. For every problem there is a reasonable solution.
     
  8. Crysta

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    The great thing about being a volunteer is being able to quit if you don't like the circumstances or position. Obviously these people chose not to do so, seeing instead an opportunity for them to make some money for themselves.

    I have NO sympathy for any "victims" here. If they were strung along, it was their choice to follow, as it would also have been their choice to quit because of it.
     
  9. Black Sun

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    What's the point of making brit bank look all pretty these days anyway? Nobody uses it.
     
  10. AdamD

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    I agree with Crysta, no one was forced to "work"
    And being an ex companion myself, you don't need "special powers" or a blue robe, to help people.
     
  11. drinkbeerallday

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    They really need to consolidate shards. First off the game would be a lot funner if there was one shard per coast with a high population. Second the developers might be able to find time to do extra stuff like this if there were only 4 US shards. (east, west, central + SP)
     
  12. Lady_Mina

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    Yeah i know...people used to trade at brit bank...

    These days you can spawn for days 'selling this & that' without finding a buyer.

    Vendors is a good option...if your house has traffic...if not that's a pure loss then.

    I logged on Atlantic yesterday and was surprised...it was A LOT more crowded then Europa.
     
  13. Because or volunteers decided to get a lawyer.
    And because the Asian shards actually play the game vs. good ole duping atlantic.

    I think im becoming bitter.
     
  14. RaDian FlGith

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    Pfft. You want to be jealous, head over to Formosa or Belhae -- I think it was Belhae -- where the entirety of the west Brit farms are redone in a very Asian style.
     
  15. Yalp

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    Not this kennard again! No need to consolidate shards.. they are fine as is, thank you very much.

    LORD Yalp of Zento, CTDM
     
  16. love2winalot

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    what does being a volunteer have to do with the game map being modified to make some area's pretty, or improved?
     
  17. ki-rin

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    those banks look really nice :thumbsup:
     
  18. We on Atlantic Shard do,sir.
     
  19. The volunteers do it. Japan still has them, the US does not.
     
  20. Storm

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    not all volunteers got a lawyer I was a counceler and enjoyed it very much still have a list of the commands here somewhere i think what I dont agree with is why are the players still being punished for it they should fix the problem and bring them back just my thoughts
     
  21. RaDian FlGith

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    No, no they really didn't. Yeah, we were asked to put in six hours a week. Sometimes I put in 10 or 20 because I enjoyed helping players. Sometimes I let my Shard Lead know that life was hectic and that I wouldn't be in for a week at all. You know how many times they booted me for taking a week off? NEVER.

    People did the usual thing that people do though -- they didn't communicate, and then they got "wrapped up" in what they were doing, and then, instead of doing the right thing and just taking time off, they felt it was a job, and decided they'd been forced to do the very thing that they, themselves, had decided to do in the first place.

    There weren't any victims of the program, unless you want to get into favoritism, but since I didn't witness that going on in my shard or even my region, I can't comment on it. I will say that I believe it happened, but I will also say that it should have had zero affect on what anyone was doing. If the only reason you became a Counselor was to become a Senior Counselor or a Shard Lead, you were in for the wrong reasons. The only reason I moved from Counselor to Trainer to Assistant Senior Counselor to Senior Counselor was because I was good at what I did -- helping players, which translated then into helping new Counselors. I, for one, know that I and the people I worked with over on Napa Valley were among the finest in the program, and overall, had the respect of our fellow players because we gave a damn about helping players.

    Everything else was, and should have been, superficial.

    But people forgot that.

    And someone sued.

    We're paying the price for their greed, even to this day. And in the end, the suit proved exactly what I and many of the rest of us knew was true: EA wasn't profiting from having us volunteers around. The game went on just fine without us. And that, unfortunately, was a key -- flawed -- argument in the deck of those who sued... that we were what kept the game profitable. That we were customer service.

    We weren't. We were the live tipsters.

    And yeah, it's true, people don't need robes or powers to help other players. However, without the ability to jump between players and know who needs help, it's really not so easy to do.

    Me, honestly, I'd have paid EA to work as a Counselor, that's how strongly I felt about being a Counselor and helping other players. Though, I do admit to having left the program literally two weeks before it was axed because I didn't want to be on the receiving end of a million questions about the buggy state of UO:3D, which was released early and incomplete (it was even missing tiles in the client). But that's the point, in the end. I left when I was no longer comfortable doing it.

    If only other people had done the same thing.
     
  22. RaDian FlGith

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    Because the game map hasn't been modified. Look at your radar screen on a Japanese shard. It looks the same as on any other shard.

    The volunteers have the power to add things to the game world, and those things can be set to no-pickup status which prevents them from turning yellow when you hover over them. However, nothing in the world will cause the circle of transparency to work on them, because that only works with items actually inside the object file in your UO directory (the static item index).
     
  23. Restroom Cowboy

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    I will offer to take this a bit further.

    Only in America can we sue someone for not paying us for volunteering our time. (truth hurts dont it? and yes I DO live here in the states.)


    @ the OP...thanks for the pictures, saddens me to see what could have been for us, and it saddens me to think how many would still play if we still had active volunteers around today.
     
  24. Crysta

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    It doesn't, but the pictures that were given were done by the Asian Seer staff. Seeing as how pretty much every Asian shard has something really nice there now they can't very well just patch the map anymore.. would ruin all of it.
     
  25. drinkbeerallday

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    that is why they had the counselor's guilds. so they could customize an area and then the developers would know never to change those areas.
     
  26. christy1221

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    Maybe if Brit bank looked that good on chessy people would leave luna. There is just not enough room at luna. When you have more then one person spamming that they are selling something over and over in such a small space it's hard to read and annoying. At brit they were more spread out which was a lot better.
     
  27. Lady_Mina

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    At least it's crowded at your Luna city.

    In Europa Luna isn't that crowded.

    A nicely decorated place like that draws people...weither it's to bank sit or sell or buy items.
    I even see people having their wedding up brit west bank. LOL
     
  28. Kaj

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    Actually you can sue in pretty much every country with a decent law system. We both don't know the legal side of the volunteering system, but I doubt a lawsuit in most European countries (the ones I know something about) would be (as) successful.
    Obviously there was something wrong with the volunteer system but removing it completely was a rather drastic measure. There have been other companies (including ones based in the US) that have had (and some still have) a successful system that allowed people to volunteer.

    Anyway, I knew many counselors, companions, advisors and GMs back in the day. They all had a great passion for the game and I think everyone was sad that the blue and green robes were dropped. Even the UK-based GMs were much loved and appreciated.
    The gradual change (dropping counselors, UK GMs, IGMs and so on) that has been seen in the robed people has taken away much of the personal touch. One day I was at my castle, decorating and a GM I did not know suddenly popped up to compliment me on my home. He didn't offer me any special treatment, other than just to compliment me on my efforts. The fact that I remember that one compliment just shows how much that personal touch matters. Of the 20-30 times I've paged a GM over the past year I've seen an actual red robe (rather than invisible or just in a party) once. And he was rather rude and in a hurry, quickly to resolve my issue and to be off, dropping automated texts and cliche comments ('good luck on your adventures and thank you for playing Ultima Online' - yeah..).

    Seeing as I worked out the legal aspect of a volunteering system for another game, I've offered the basic legal lay out to EA many times, but I have yet to receive any sort of promising reply.

    Anyway, wbb has always been an ugly grey area (save for the crazy folks still donning Phoenix armor and the occasional glacial staff). It would be nice to see a little redecorating!
     
  29. Aboo

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    I was a counselor. I had/have a full-time job, a husband, children, even had, at that time, my only grandchild living with me. I loved being a counselor so much I made the time for it. But I knew from the beginning that f I didn't have the time I could quit at any time. I also knew from the beginning that there was NO compensation for being a counselor other than the great feeling of helping others.

    I was asked to join the lawsuit. In language I rarely use and cannot/will not post here I declined.

    Now back to the original poster. I too want to know why we can't have the beautiful landscaping that asian shards have. What does it have to do with counselors?
     
  30. MalagAste

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    What she said and I think it's a load of BS!!! Infact I'll keep saying this until I either get them to reinstate some sort of EM/Seer system in the US or they make it like I said if we can't have it here then by the gods they shouldn't have it there....... REally Ticks me off that they get all this special crud when hey WE LIVE WHERE IT WAS BORN!!!!!!!!! Crock of....... doo dee......

    Pardon my vent but this subject really really makes me ANGRY!!!!!!
     
  31. miss uo

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    Hmm!! your shard maybe but not GL
     
  32. Hear hear, Crysta!

    *sighs*

    Damn their greedy eyes, anyway.
     
  33. Dol'Gorath

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    Quoted for truth.
     
  34. Kith Kanan

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    TBH I dont give a diddly bout that old old oooold lawsuit story , fact is i dont get a discount but I do get an inferior service !!!!!
     
  35. Eslake

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    Even in a court of law, the word "Volunteer" implies there is no pay.
    It was all about greed. Greed for the robe or greed for money, either way greed.

    Why?
    Because..
    The FIRST step if hour requirements were a problem - would be to file complaints and get them changed.
    If that failed...
    The SECOND step would be self-demotion to Companion status - which had no hour requirements.

    There would be no further steps because hour requirements would no longer be a factor.


    As to the legality of a Volunteer Program now -
    There are no complications legally. It is all about laziness.
    They know now they can't require fixed hours for "volunteers" so that isn't an issue any more.

    As to the ability to exploint -/=commands, they could simply require a character be created by the player solely for this purpose, and that character be unable to attack or be attacked or to trade items. All exploitability is gone instantly.
     
  36. Flora Green

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    I would like to know that, too. How much time does it take to add campions to a roof, some benches and trees? Did volunteers add the deco in New Haven?
     
  37. MalagAste

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    The stuff that is on the Asian shards that's being discussed was not put there by the development team..... this "beautifying" is done by Volunteers on the Asian shards.... Something that we USED to have here in the US but because of the #$@#ing lawsuit BS we no longer have any of that..... So while the Japanese shards get such things as well as events like the one they had that gave them all that specially died fabric that folk are selling on American shards for insane amounts of money we get NOTHING!!!!! How do you like that?

    I DON'T!.... INFACT IT TOTALLY IRRITATES ME!
     
  38. Dermott of LS

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    Because they didn't have ungrateful b**tards masquerading as "volunteers" ***k it up with a lawsuit.

    All that needs to be said.
     
  39. Flora Green

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    If someone on the team can add the items to New Haven they can add them elsewhere.

    They found time to add statuette engraving tools, they can find time to lock some deco items into place. They can go to San Diego and answer questions that easily could have been done on the boards, they can add deco to the banks. IMO.
     
  40. Vyrquenox

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    Hmm. What you're saying is, if I volunteer to paint the old folks home, and they tell me I need to get it done in a week or I won't be a volunteer anymore, I can sue them for unfair demands. Awesome!

    yeah, old story. The Japanese get wagons full of coolness heaped on them. Sometimes it seems as if they are all sitting in a board room in Kyoto or wherever laughing maniacally as they draw up plans to give all the Japanese shards Demonic Shrouds and Ethereal Cloud Dragons for their whatsitsname event while us stupid Westerners get a cake and a cookie.

    okay that's hyperbole but still.
     
  41. Jhym

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    I have never ever understood the people who act as though volunteering for a for-profit company is supposedly a "good" thing.

    EA should pay for a small EM staff to do events. They wouldn't need more than 10 or so folks, if events were staggered so that each shard had it's own time periods.

    However, these bull arguments about how wonderful the system was really need to stop. It was exploitation of people who really should know better -- who should be giving their volunteer hours to charities and people who need it, not multi-billion dollar corporations.

    The counselor program is the same -- having a few extra demi-GMs around on call would probably help EA but they are too cheap to do this as well.

    The lawsuits shouldn't have happened, I can agree with that. It was an attempt by lawyers to generate cash for themselves and had nothing to do with the volunteers' issues.

    EA honestly should have paid a minimum wage of some type to those in the program and they probably wouldn't have had an issue. But they were too greedy with the players practically throwing free labor and content-building at them and they paid the price.
     
  42. Ferrut

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    If EA won't allow American volunteers, but EA Japan will, why not have Japanese volunteers for all shards?!?