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Hmmm, Mess of Small Fish : I have run out of storage space, now what ??

Discussion in 'UHall' started by popps, Nov 10, 2010.

  1. popps

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    Well, well well, it seems that I have run out of space to store the Mess of Small Fish that I keep getting while fishing :

    All 4 types,

    - Prized Fish
    - Highly Peculiar Fish
    - Wondrous Fish
    - Truly Rare Fish

    Yet another item doomed to the trash bin because it is not stackable, neither as a fish nor as cut up steaks ?

    I guess I have no other option.... but I hate it as I see it as a waste that I would prefer to avoid.

    If only fish and their cut up steaks were stackable.......
     
  2. Yalp

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    eat it ! The buffs only last for a very short time!
     
  3. Babble

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    Pfff, buy another storage increase!
    Or better open a new account for storage.
    :p
     
  4. Merion

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    Put the fish steaks in a bag and donate it at the library.
     
  5. Wenchkin

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    These fish have spawned for many years, they're not new. So unless you're going to use them for something or you need to keep some for a vendor, there's no point in storing them.

    The best way to find out if an item has a purpose is to experiment and try things. It would save you a lot of typing and in this case storage trouble. Less than a minute of testing time would have told you that these fish can be fed to fish-eating pets like kitsune, you can sell them to fisher NPCs and they can be eaten by players too (no cooking required). I sell a few now and then as decor. Before aquariums players used these fish layered with bits of cloth to make aquariums.

    Wenchy
     
  6. Lord Frodo

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    Popps you are the first person in 12 years that I have ever heard of keeping these. Just eat them as you fish to keep them out of your way.
     
  7. Mapper

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    Although those fish have had their bonuses increased, I still eat mine when my pack fills. Would help if they stacked.
     
  8. Lord Chaos

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    Things stacking? But that would make the game more fun and we can't have that.

    Fun in UO is a bannable offense.
     
  9. Storm

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    the buffs on these have been increased .... but with that said i eat mine as I go
     
  10. popps

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    Who knows......

    Perhaps in their wisdom the developers not only will make these small fish stackable (both the fish and their cut up steaks), but they will also make them more usefull changing or revamping their buffs ?

    Who knows...........
     
  11. Lady Storm

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    While stackable would help in ALOT of items still in single form I can understand your wish...

    The fish were meant to be a buff like pots fishers fished up so you could sell them to players... the only down fall was the legnth of time they worked and well the non-stackable issue. It really made it a dead object and many players who fished just ate them to get them out of the way (I still do, as does my bug eat up the body parts when I go sos fishing).

    Cal if you read this we do have a stacking bits we need looked into.
     
  12. hawkeye_pike

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    Eat them. Dump them. Or just give the devs some time to make them stackable. However, there might be more pressing issues than making the messes of fish stackable.

    P.S.: Thanks for using an exclamation mark icon for ALL your posts. Makes them easier to identify in the future.... :wall:
     
  13. Gowron

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    You just noticed that those special small fish don't stack? Amazing........NOT.

    OK, back to reading something relavent...
     
  14. Basara

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    The change to them now has the three buff types now working as 2nd level buff spells as cast by a GM Eval mage. More useful in some aspects than a potion (no bottle to clutter up the pack, doesn't require hands free), but not as powerful as the greater potions. Well, except for the +Int type, as there are no "Cunning" potions, it makes these a bit more useful, in that regard.

    Having these stack would be not only a boon to fishers (for purposes of collecting them and selling them), but also provide an alternative to potions for a number of templates.
     
  15. Viper09

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    You must be new to fishing. Those fish, eat them, dump them, save them. Do whatever you want. If you ever want more though you know where to find them, the ocean. They have been there for a long time and will continue to be there. Those fish aren't exactly special or rare, lol.
     
  16. popps

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    Which, in turn, would bring more "strategy" and "tactics" to PvP combat........

    If we want to try shift away from item based (with modifiers dictating the lives of sosarian inhabitants...) back to a more relevant skill based where winning a fight is not just a matter of best modifiers, but also (and hopefully, mostly...) of better tactic and combat strategies, these type of changes, and the more variety the better, are a must, IMHO.
     
  17. Popps if you stack them they wont be rare or valuable and will become to easy to get.

    Gives us fishermen a break.

    Or you could catch them and make a vendor. Sell them. Price them at a fair price.

    If they don't get bought. You have a nice storage area for about 5k a day.
     
  18. popps

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    Actually, if they were stackable, also their cut up steaks, I think that they would sell way better since as of now, they are not only annoying because they do not stack and take up item count but also make the backpack look messy. Having stacked up steaks would be seen more favourably by whomever may want to use them and, therefore, sell better.


    Vendors have the limit of 125 items so, the limit would be met fast. I do not think that using a vendor just to store 125 small fish is something I'd want to do. Much better use the vendor space for items that move faster and better.
     


  19. I give you a hard time sometimes. But seriously... How many do you need?
    Sometimes its okay not to keep everything or keep a sensible amount and restock when out.

    Just a thought.
     
  20. Throw them away - they aren't worth the storage space they take in the house. If they stacked, I might keep them, but they don't.

    Of all the things to pick to change, stacking fish should be right at the bottom of the list to take up Developers' time.
     
  21. Wenchkin

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    Well nobody say that topic diversion coming... *chuckles* Actually, a lot of your discussions go this way but that derail did at least make me laugh. I don't want to burst your bubble Popps, but these old fish aren't going to fix PvP. Although they would be fairly amusing as area effect projectiles ;)

    You know Popps, there are countless items in UO with less use than these fish and probably even more items which ought to stack and don't. You're posting about 4 types of fish when you're surrounded by a myriad of "junk" that deserves dev love too. Affecting many more players. If you just extended the focus of this thread to all those items I'm sure everyone would agree they needed a fix. But this is a very specific minor problem you've created yourself which is easily rectified. Sell the fish. Or eat them. Then divert your time and attention to more important matters or that big list of other unfixed/unstackable items I mentioned above.

    I'm wondering if you've done a batch of MIBs yet. Because if you had I'm sure you would have realized how many pre chest items are worse than these fish. They don't stack either ;) A few can be sold to NPCs or fed to pets in the case of body parts, but for the most part they're not much use to anyone.

    Don't get me wrong, boosting these fish and making them stack would be nice, but I really really don't think they important enough to have their own thread or get the devs attention when more pressing fixes are needed.

    Wenchy
     
  22. Basara

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    Wenchy, perhaps reading the whole thread might be a bit more productive before you reply, next time.

    Repeat:

    I brought up the changes to the fish, and their potential usefulness, NOT popps. popps' idea, if they hadn't been boosted, you perhaps might have had real motive to reply to it, other than a kneejerk reaction to the name "popps".

    But, The fish HAVE been boosted. The three stat boosters have the effect now of the three 2nd level buff spells (even showing up as them in the bar displaying spell effects), cast at GM Eval (Strength, Cunning and Agility), meaning that they last for 2+ minutes, give about a 9-11% buff (there seems to be a slight random factor to the potency, but the duration seems to be the same), and don't require a free hand to use.

    This
    1. is Better than the 1-2% boost for 15 seconds of before.
    2. Has several advantages over potions (There's no such thing as Cunning potions on legal shards, and there's no need for disarm, or taking up properties in items for Balanced or EP, with their use)
    3. Potentially giving fishers a viable, quickly renewing, item to sell, IF ONLY THEY STACKED.

    Once the "new" wears off the WAY too common "rare" new SOS loot, Fishers are going to be left, AGAIN, with ONE, consumable, thing to sell -

    White Pearls, and these are as streaky as ever in their ability to fish up.

    Adding the ability for these small fish to stack, would allow their collection and sale as an alternative to potions, and give a second stream of income.

    There are already fish stacking issues that the Devs are having to work on, relating to the introduction of the High Seas fish, and those fishing at too low skill, or without the expansion (just look at the multiple threads onthe subject). The stacking issue with these small fish could be fixed AT THE SAME TIME, as part of a larger fix, with no distractions from other problems.

    Just because popps likes an idea doesn't make it bad, or a waste of time.

    And, it would be at least a bone to throw to all us fishers already having to deal with the Powerscroll fiasco, and the Byzantine method by which the quest system works.
     
  23. Tom_Builder

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    Yeah, while were at it, make all the damn boots stackable also.
     
  24. Wenchkin

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    Actually you don't know my motivation or what I read, please don't make that assumption. i wouldn't waste time checking what uses are or aren't still working before I replied to Popps if I was just trying to be snarky because it was Popps. I was unintentionally blunt on re-reading but I was just trying to be succinct and to the point and I come over sharp when I do that sometimes. That's not an excuse, just how I post sometimes *shrugs* I'm replying to Popps more because he started the thread and to the points he's making. Not because I didn't read your posts or that I had a grievance with Popps...

    I know they've been boosted, I was merely saying that hey, if they did more boosting it's ok with me. Seeing how quite a few other posters figured they could be more useful, I was presuming all of them were aware how the fish worked when I said that. I honestly don't mind either way.

    Something else that I agreed would be useful. However, I think I was clear saying that this thread might be better applying to all the items in the "should stack" category because this problem does only affect fishers. Fishing is in the spotlight with HS which is great, but I would prefer that it didn't take priority over things which affect more players. That it fitted in with an overall change to make items stack logically. In other words, I love my fisher and I want her world to be perfect, but I don't want her to get fixes if the devs have more pressing changes to make. If they can get them to stack without disrupting other changes I don't mind at all. I just see a bigger picture than my fisher's world however much I enjoy playing her.

    I'm not disagreeing that they should stack, I'm just saying that many more players would ride with this thread had it been started about stacking all things logically because I think an overall pass needs to be made rather than the devs following very specific requests one or two at a time. Just a different view on the approach to this issue, that's all.

    And I never said that it did... I just don't place these fish as high on the importance scale as to warrant their own thread when I find them pretty useful as they are. Stackable or not.

    Wenchy
     
  25. popps

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    Wrong, IMHO.

    Why ?

    Because if small fishes and their cut up steaks were to be made stackables, fighters would also benefit from this as well as PvP as a whole.

    Why ?

    Because having these buffs could be a helping hand to those who enjoy PvPing in a "creative" way without merely relying on armor and weapons modifiers but also using the various aids that come available for combat.


    I guess fighting is an important part of UO.

    This is not a generic item that should stack here, this is a potentially good buff which could quite help in fights.

    Of course, I feel the same with rare fish magic pies which, at this one time, cannot stack...
     
  26. Well, I agree with you Wenchy. Basara just takes his fish seriously.
     
  27. Viper09

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    How, exactly, does this make Wenchy wrong? You quoted a statement that said stacking problems doesn't affect only fishers, you said Wenchy was wrong, then you went off rambling about stacking fish would help.

    No one denies stacking fish is needed, the point was simply that fishing isn't the only aspect that is in need of stacking.
     
  28. popps

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    Wrong, as in regars to the point where the stacking of small fish/cut up steaks would be merely in the interest of fishing.

    I think differently, and that is, that this stacking can have an effect, a positive one, mind you, also on fighting which does is a relevant component of Ultima Online.

    Since it was my understanding that the center of the argument was that the stacking of small fish, would interest merely fishing, is should not be seen as high priority. I felt to voice my different opinion that, instead, it does deserve a higher priority since its positive effects would go past beyond fishing and help out fighting as well.
     
  29. Wenchkin

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    Popps, everyone agrees that stacking is a good thing, but the fact that these fish don't stack isn't as big a deterrent as you think. After all, now that a lot of PvP consumables DO stack, they have backpack space to accommodate some of these fish.

    In PvP, players have used all sorts of non stacking items since the first days I was in UO. I mean we're taking loaded backpacks with bags of all sorts. Potions didn't stack, but we all carted around huge bags of them for years. There have been numerous non-stacking consumables in PvP since. It didn't deter players from using them if they felt them useful enough. They needed to be available in enough quantity that PvPers could restock repeatedly, but if they were I never had trouble selling those items to PvPers. I'd say vendor availability may be more of a problem with your fish than the stacking thing, because they're probably not on a single PvP vendor and few fishers bother taking them to a vendor to sell in the first place.

    So no, I don't think the PvP argument is enough to justify making these fish special over all the other non stacking items which ought to stack. It's not as if it's a bad thing to have a big patch that fixes stacking properly is it? They can wait along with other deserving items.

    Wenchy
     
  30. I alway PvP with 125 things in my pack.

    So I cant hold more then 1 of those fish.

    Stacking would help.

    NOT.