Ok..Initial template: weapon 120 tactics 90 Necro 100 ss 120 Bush 120 chiv 70 ninja 100 Now..My reasons: 1) The character I am considering doing this to is a roleplay character. He's always been a necro dexxer, and hes always been geared towards rp pvp...but more and more, I've wanted to give the sampire thing a try. It is also worth mentioning that poison is big in his family so is sort of a required part of the template (though i've subbed in ninjitsu instead under the ideal that he could 'throw poisoned daggers' instead of 'stabbing things with poisoned daggers.' That covers motivation, so as I try to wrack my mind over how I can make this rp character work in the sampire fashion while still remaining true to his RP and rp pvp capable...I came to these conclusions... [For PVM] I still have most of what is required. Vamp form/ML weap/bushido/chiv/good damage: The biggest difference here as far as I can tell would be the lack of parry. I imagine that yes not having evade would hurt alot, but in place of parry I do have ninja..which affords me mirror images. Yeah it would be kind of a pain in the ass but I know I've spammed mirror images against monsters before and it keeps me from having to heal all that much if I'm leaching life at the same time anyways. Though I'm unsure how well this would work against higher end bosses? Maybe spamming mirror that often wastes too much mana and time? [For PVP] This is where the random collection of skills has its pros and cons. Biggest con I can see off the bat is mana and defensive ability. I still have the ability to mirror/animal form if I get dismounted..and I've still got pots/confidence and kind of/sort of chiv for healing. Can still load up on DCI. In terms of offense I think it sort of depends on the approach I take. With wraith form I could still wither chokes because I have the ss for it. In duels I could also use wraith. On the field there is the possibility of good damage with the conc/corpse combination and things like LS and possibly Nerve strike. Not to mention that I'd still have the DP stars which..if nothing else..might marginally disrupt healing if someone is trying to run from me. So ..you have my reasons, what are your thoughts? Granted, the best idea might be to just not try and pvp and pvm on the same character, but it was fun to try and figure out anyways.