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Discussion in 'UHall' started by Omnius, May 17, 2010.

  1. Omnius

    Omnius Crazed Zealot
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    Example is visible on legends luna southside(inside the city)

    Your Ultima Online account has been flagged due to the following violation of the Rules of Conduct.

    Violation: Illegal House Design
    Shard: Legends
    Character:
    Note: When next you log into your account, you must re-design your house and remove any extra levels you have placed. Failure to do so may result in long term suspension or possible termination of your account.

    Rules of Conduct: 19) You will not exploit any bug in the Ultima Online product or the Ultima Online Service. You will not intentionally use or share any bug found within Ultima Online, whether or not it grants an unfair advantage, is real or fictitious. You will not communicate the existence of any such bug (either directly or indirectly) to any other user of the Ultima Online Service. You will report any such exploit using the bug reporting methods as described by the Ultima Online Service at http://www.uo.com/mailBug.html.

    The additional levels that are mentioned is a small roof top greenhouse less than a third of the size of my roof. It contains 1 added floor for what will be an open topped loft area on it. A GM decided randomly this is illegal. I was paged on in the past and told it was fine because it didn't required a bug, any program or less than honest methods. What happened?
     
  2. maroite

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    Wait, so you just have an open are on the forth floor of your house? As in, instead of the roof, you put an open area? How is that an illegal house design? lol.

    Well, unless you put said floor on top of roof tiles? Is that even possible? Would have to see a picture of your house.
     
  3. Mapper

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    I assume this was built with gozas? I'd PM Cal and see if he can help, sounds like a mistake IMO.
     
  4. Viper09

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    Huh. Now here I must admit this sounds like a GM who doesn't know seem to know UO very well. I suggest you could try paging a GM next time you log in and hopefully get a response about your house design.

    To understand this, I am assuming you simply added walls on the roof of your house, correct?
    Such as many players tend to use the roof of their house as another floor. Some leave it flat and just add stuff on it, and some will put up walls on the top of their roof to simulate a "roofless" building.

    What do you mean by added floor btw?
     
  5. Omnius

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    It's a small goza mat roof. How is that not allowed. I've seen 4 more floors on towers but this isn't allowed?
     
  6. AirmidCecht

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    Someone better tell Sarsmi to hide that awesome ski lodge!
     
  7. Kellgory

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    If it's an illegal house design then maybe you shouldn't post a picture of it. How about telling us where your house is located so that people can see for themselves...that is unless you've already conformed to UO standards as set by the GM.
     
  8. Viper09

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    Ok, that sounds like a possible mistake by the GM. They might be confusing this with an actual floor created by house-placement. Do what Mapper said, you should get this cleared up somehow.
     
  9. Kellgory

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    Jeez, makes you wonder (A) who had nothing better to do than go around paging on houses and (B) who was the GM that had nothing better to do than threaten to ban someone because of a goza mat floor. I mean really, if you had 9 pens and 50 animals in the house and 10 people "working" their bards then ok you have an illegal house design and a few other problems.
     
  10. Omnius

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    Legends Luna south side. I've had the lifted goza mats for the last 8 months. It used to be wider but I even reshaped it and some of the house because a neighbor said a wall I had up was blocking some prime vendor space.
     
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    Yeah agree ^^ ..and to think scriptors and hackers run freely on UO daily and you can't get nothing done about it but GOZA placement..lmao ..f'ing classic :lame:
     
  12. Tazar

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    http://vboards.stratics.com/showthread.php?t=206210 is a thread regarding this in the Homes and Castles.

    If this is a new ruling that is going to stand, then I will be tearing down a newly designated player run town. I will have no choice as 8 of the 9 houses will be illegal under this new definition of the rules. I do not have time to rebuild as it took literally years to get this far.
     
  13. Omnius

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    I recently made my green house exposed less to my neighbors side to avoid 3 sandstone rubble walls from showing outside the house. I did this without being asked or told, I just figured it looked better if 3 walls didn't show outside.
     
  14. Viper09

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    I don't think this is a new rule. I think this is simply a GM uneducated with the nature of UO, possibly called on my a moronic player.
     
  15. Omnius

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    The only email I got was saying my account was flagged. And I had to fix it when i logged in. I never got to log in to fix it because I was banned when I logged in.
     
  16. Tazar

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    This has been brought to the attention of the team two weeks ago with only more suspensions in reply. It doesn't look good to me.
     
  17. Lady Laurel

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    This is getting completely rediculous and no official word on the illegal house design issues.
     
  18. Picus of Napa

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    I got a 24 hour due to a tree and another players house that happened to be in a spot where I could trap players with opened doors, cheezy but for a year no one ever saw fault with it. The guy who lived next to me had the exact same set up due to one tile spread yet he managed to avoid a warning simply due to his being at the comp when the GM showed up.

    Be warned that there is no clear rules when a GM shows.
     
  19. Sellingahouse

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    This makes me sick. I have goza floors in my castle. Its where I put all my rubble walls and rubble floor tiles. My house is private, so my extra floors dont show in other houses. I thought it was ok. If he got banned, did the gms fix his house? If so what did they do with the items he used to deco the extra floors? How long do we have to wait for a DEV to
    come on here and straighten this out, will they? I bet it was for somthing else, cause if they banned people for goza floors, and I have to take them down.....
     
  20. DarkVoid

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    I don't know which house is your house but if you know who owns that one with the character name of Mr.Medio kindly ask them to take down their rubble walls on the NW corner so that the house sign on the other side of the road which is blocked by this rubble is visible again.

    I would be mad at people who blocked off my access to my house sign to select the options on the house sign. If this was done to me, whether accidentally or on purpose, I would definitely page a Game Master to have the offending items blocking my view removed. Rubble walls, unlike real walls, do not fade to transparent when Circle of Transparency is in use, they remain solid, and therefore block objects like house signs.

    I sure hope Mr.Medio removes those rubble walls.
     
  21. Omnius

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    I noticed that the home behind me is owned by some child in a guild full of children. Is this a joke though? I was told by a member of the home owners guild that they reported me because they don't like who I associate with on the shard (mind you, this happened the first day I logged in after 6 weeks of inactivity.)

    I'm now forced to move what was a great looking piece of home deco because the person behind me walks on my steps then on his and can't see his sign unless he walks 3 tiles into his home(under a floor)
     
  22. Viper09

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    This will reportedly be covered in the next dev letter :)
     
  23. Lord Chaos

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    And these are the people you want to administrate an anti-cheat program? lol, its likely going to be a disaster.
     
  24. Viper09

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    There is a huge difference between devs and gms. The problem in this thread has to do with a gm. Devs are the people doing the programming etc. GMs are the people who answer pages, penalize, etc.
     
  25. Lore Master

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    Dear Devs and GMS I feel this is very dumb and uncalled for no offense. why should this be illegal? I feel Using gaza mats to create another floor or two is a very creative and smart idea and I have no problem with it. instead of warning to ban someone for this you should be cracking down on the real threats like the cheaters, hackers, scripters and dupers. If you don't want us making additional floors then please give us the option to add another floor or two higher or lower per house including castles and keeps.
     
  26. Kellgory

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    Almost need the former Iraqi Information Minister announcing that they have the cheaters, hackers, scripters and dupers so under control that the GM's have nothing left to do except the mundane task of checking houses for illegally placed goza mats.
     
  27. Lore Master

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    lol former Iraqi Information Minister cracked me up a lot he should be a stand up comedian. here is a funny link i found about him apparently he has fans lol http://www.welovetheiraqiinformationminister.com/ gave me a good laugh.
     
  28. Aurelius

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    Thing is ... an ancient advisory that almost nobody remembers or can even find if they are told it exists is somewhat overtaken by several years of no action being taken against this supposedly banned and evil house design trick.

    The 'lag' argument holds some truth - but since the same lag can be created by locking down and stacking ANY items in the game, it's not sensible to say it's banned when done with the only useful items you can get but fine when it's other stuff.

    It's sadly a part of the common thinking - or lack of thinking - that has permeated UO design. You can have a castle that we designed for you, but the design sucks and you can't use most of the space available without constant hassle. So then players find something supplied by the devs that does the job, and incidentally opens up huge options for other designs. Then the devs go 'oh, we never thought of that, that's a problem, have a different item to fix this new issue'. Except this goza technique had become popular, it's extremely useful and has helped create some of the most impressive house designs in the game - and after giving people a tool they enjoy using, they now say 'you can't have it because we didn't think through what it might mean', and with breathtaking arrogance and disregard for their customers, rather than give any warning they just leap in with half-trained GMs handing out warnings and bans....

    Late and incomplete notes from Cal in a post in a forum the majority of UO players don't read hinting there's something coming about house design is not sufficient. If they want something to stop, and it's already an established practice, they should be saying clearly what the problem is, why and how they plan to address it, and giving people time to fit in with their new rule BEFORE they kick their GMs into action banning and warning over stuff the GMs barely comprehend anyway. That's exactly what things like the Herald and that clever little HTML splash screen when you fire up the game are there to let them do, and they almost never make use of either. Most of us are not unreasonable, and if there's a good explanation for something we'll likely accept it - but that, as experience shows yet again, is not the EA/Mythic way.

    As far as I can tell, decisions get made based on lunchtime conversations or notes on a post-it, and dumped on the players as 'rules' without any hint or warning. Then people express just what they think of being treated like that, and there's a frantic rush to recover credibility from EA.... whilst they would never have lost any credibility if they had acted like a thoughtful, effective and customer-based company in the first place. But that, apparently, is too hard and only to be claimed in spin-based PR statements, never reflected by actions since that involves thinking, and money, and staff time, and all those other things they are too cheap to invest.

    They wonder why we have a low opinion of the player support and communications from EA/Mythic (assuming, which I still doubt, they either notice or care as long as they get the cash)? We have that opinion because what they do is pathetic and insulting. And in a day or two we'll doubtless get a bit more spin about how the customers are important and they really like us and... and .. and ... then we'll get exactly the same thoughtless and incompetent treatment over another issue in the near future.
     
  29. Babble

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    It is a questionable ruling in a Sandbox game.
    It does not hurt anyone and a note from the gm that too many goza mats lag the area and should be removed would be sufficient.

    Else they should just FIX the mats.....
     
  30. ingsmsico

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    typical EA

    #1. introduce items to the game that allow people to add onto their house outside the house design menu

    #2 dispatch GM's to start the bans.
     
  31. Im 50/50 - the floating vendors and having the floor over-shadow anothers home or land is really annoying.

    If it sits on a castle or house and doesn't bother others... who cares.
     
  32. Schuyler Bain

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    Agreed - An it harm none, do what ye will!
     
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    I went over to check his house out, and actually the GM was wrong he didn't have an extra level on his house. he as a 3 story house. which gives him 3 floors and a roof which makes it 4 levels. his house as 3 levels(floors), and the goza mats are on the 4th level (the roof). right now he can go into customized mode, and build a 4th level on his house by putting a floor down, and full size walls.
     
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    /signed - everything of it
     
  35. Kelline

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    aurelius said it really well & I fully agree with Ravenwinterhawk showdowing or blocking is annoying, but if it doesnt do that, who cares?
    /signed
     
  36. GalenKnighthawke

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    I don't do much, if any, house design.

    However, a lot of people in this game do.

    This thread requires an official, manufacturer response.

    -Galen's player
     
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    In the Pub 66 patch notes they said they will be addressing gozas and house designs, hopefully clearing this up without pissing people off.

    WE DONT NEED anyone else leaving this great game. I would love for this game to live on for years to come.
     
  39. Arkanabar

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    Sorry to bring this back up at this late date, but I just checked the pub 66 notes (& all subsequent pub notes) and haven't seen anything about the legality of this.
     
  40. Tazar

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    I can't find the posts from the Dev's - but the final ruling was basically that it is legal - so long as it is not used to grief another player by blocking their house sign (ability to customize) - by blocking their access (ability to click and open their door) - or by blocking their vendors.
     
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    I think its about time to tell all GM who show up in UO to screw off...

    Only time you see one is wen there borred...or just want to make trouble...

    If this crap keeps up with GM,s having a free hand in what they think is wrong or rite, and no clue to it....UO will just die off of people having enough of EA bull...

    Get a GM who plays the game for god sakes , this is lame...
    ....
     
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    I'm all for goza floor designs but you gotta make sure not to block the house sign of the guy behind you - what did you expect - that's where you lost my sympathy and that's probably why the GM busted balls
     
  44. Aran

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    Making extra floors out of goza mats clearly is not using the item as intended. All violators deserve the bans they should be receiving.
     
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    That's four months ago. Clearly they came to their senses about this exploit in the meantime.