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HOTFIX HERALDS PLEASE

Discussion in 'UO Spiels N Rants' started by sibble, Oct 4, 2013.

  1. sibble

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    N/T

    ***EDIT***
    I'm pretty much tired of responding to trolls at this point and this thread should be locked...

    ---FINAL WORD FROM SIBBLE---

    You just SHOULDN'T be allowed to do it, it doesn't make any sense. You can't ToT from escort NPCs or fighters in Jhelom, but you can ToT a summoned NPC from a token and have no wait time between doing it again. This is OBVIOUSLY not working as intended; THERE IS NO COOLDOWN BETWEEN TRICK OR TREATS TO A HERALD :wall:

    I can assure you 100% that there are people who don't need to release the attendant manually and are in fact doing it AFK.

    If you'd like people to continue abusing an OBVIOUS UNINTENDED method of Trick or Treating, by all means let that ball just roll on. If you think that people aren't doing unattended, you're just completely wrong.

    ---/FINAL WORD FROM SIBBLE---

    Have yourself a wonderful Halloween!
     
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  3. Aran

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    What's broken?
     
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    no need
     
  5. Viper09

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    I think this thread does need text. Not really sure what you are asking for or the reason for it...
     
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    There is No Text because the thread would be deleted if any further info was given.. and will probably be removed just by me saying that lol.. but YEA I agree Heralds should be fixxed.
     
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    The only reason that would happen is if someone details an exploit or bug that would allow people to replicate it. If you simply state that there exists a bug or exploit that causes X to happen, no problem. As it stands, absolutely no info is given, hence my question about what the heck the OP is talking about.
     
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    I will assume he is talking about Trick Or Treating using Heralds. Could be wrong
     
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    Allowing stuff that you can summon and dispell at will to be ToTed on just seems wrong to me.
    If you want the items, you should have to visit the games NPCs imo...
     
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    Like Viper said.... there was already one thread where this very topic was discussed... http://stratics.com/community/threa...d-how-the-team-is-dealing-with-it-but.305810/ ... and it was shown to be a legal macro that is doing it, and VERY easily done by anyone who felt like it. I don't see how it could be considered "wrong" though.. I mean that would say using stone boots at Navery is wrong... or polymorphing to a female while fighting Semidar is wrong... or being polymorphed when fighting Baracoon was wrong... or.. well you get the idea.
     
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    Not sure if this was a response to my post but to me, allowing Heralds to be ToTed on is like allowing you to summon deamons near Zento and kill them off to get drops during a Treasures of Tokuno event. I know my example is kinda bad cuz summoned deamons don´t have the fame factor that real ones have but you get the idea.

    But hey, it´s up to the devs to do as they wish with it. Just feels like a "loophole" imo.
     
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    Doubt it will be fixed. Doubt it was intended.
     
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    Nah man... not specifically in response to your post. It was an in general deal and you just happened to be in that crowd is all :) There are just a lot of folks who are screaming illegal and how wrong it is, even some saying unethical?!?! *shrugs* I understand the position and the example of Daemon summoning is on par with it... I can agree with the loophole train of thought fully and with Smoot's not fixed, not intended thoughts as well.
     
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    Mentioning why or how-to is unneeded, so N/T was posted and yes the thread may have been deleted.

    Yes there is a similar thread, addressing people using macros while being AFK.

    This thread is asking specifically to fix the root of the problem, nothing more, nothing less.

    A huge controversy wasn't intended... and there's no reason why it shouldn't be fixed.
    I simply looked for help in requesting that this gets pushed to get a hot-fix.
     
  17. Aran

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    But what is the fix you feel is needed?
     
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    If you think TOT's on Heralds is wrong, What about using Horde Minions to clear a pumpkin Patch?
     
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    I dont THINK its wrong....I was told it was an exploit of game mechanics by a GM and to not do it LAST YEAR.....Granted its UO so roll the dice and see what the GM who shows up thinks...bc ultimitely thats how these things go...
     
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    Like I posted in another thread, I talked to Mesanna herself and she said there is nothing Illegal about it. Only thing that would make it illegal is being unattended, but with my method you cannot do so unattended as you need to release the Attendant manually.
     
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    Of course, there's nothing illegal about it... You just SHOULDN'T be allowed to do it, it doesn't make any sense. You can't ToT from escort NPCs or fighters in Jhelom, but you can ToT a summoned NPC from a token and have no wait time between doing it again. This is OBVIOUSLY not working as intended; THERE IS NO COOLDOWN BETWEEN TRICK OR TREATS TO A HERALD :wall:

    And NO I can assure you 100% that there are people who don't need to release the attendant manually and are in fact doing it AFK. However, this is completely beside my point!

    Horde Minions to clear pumpkin patch? This is nothing but a clever use of a game mechanic... Horde minion picks up stuff, naturally a necromancer would use it to pick up pumpkins. You just can't relate the two!
     
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    It's needed if you want people to be on the same page as you, instead of making everyone (especially the devs) guess about what you were asking for. :p
     
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    So my question to you is why you are not on here everyday screaming about people exploiting other game mechanics such as people AFK beating a horse in Luna to gain skills (the most abused) and yet you defend people exploiting the Horde Minions game mechanics. This makes me think that you are not getting the gold you want because people have found a way to get a lot of them so prices are cheap. If you are going to scream to the heavens about people abusing a game mechanic then please scream about all of them and not pick the ones that hurts you the most.
     
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    6 and half dozen or the other you cannot constantly tot the herald their is a timer and it randomly kicks you to a gate so stop crying and deal with it. use it or dont noone cares.
     
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    Boats and other exploits to enter houses (long since fixed) were originally dismissed by GMs as "clever uses of game mechanics." What's your point?

    What about players who work arms lore by making, examining, then snipping up a bandana? Is that too clever?
     
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    AGAIN...

    And NO I can assure you 100% that there are people who don't need to release the attendant manually and are in fact doing it AFK. However, this is completely beside my point! This is not an unattended macroing thread, this is a thread that is pointing out the fact that people are abusing a herald to get around a trick or treat timer.

    No one is exploiting by using a horde minion, because it is doing as it was intended for... picking up stuff off the ground!
     
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    Uh no, there isn't a timer, sorry. There is time that it takes to summon and dismiss the herald and that can take as little as 1.5 seconds. However, there is no timer for trick or treating, so stop kidding yourself and stop trolling my thread. If you're going to argue something use facts, because there is no timer. Thanks!
     
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    So let's just ignore everything and not give a damn, sounds good hey man great post!

    Gating inside someone's house, is not clever use of a game mechanic, because it is not doing as it was intended to do. You're comparing that to a horde minion picking items up off the ground. Keep on arguing, you look silly...

    :owned:
     
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    [​IMG]

    ...you were saying?
     
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    Thanks for completely missing the point. I am not saying to "not give a damn," so kindly get some reading comprehension skills if you're going to reply to me. What you consider exploits, what you consider "clever uses of game mechanics," doesn't matter at all. We go by what we're told from on high, and I'm not talking about red robes. If Mesanna has said heralds are legal, that supercedes GMs, and certainly supercedes your opinion.

    Go own yourself some more with your illogic.
     
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    So you used the method yourself, and you want it shut off now that you've gotten what you wanted, huh.
     
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    Nope, haven't missed any point...

    So your argument now is "Mesanna said it's OK."

    ...and my argument is still as it stands; there is no trick or treat cool down on the herald, thus it is not working as intended - which is what this thread is about. Whether or not someone says it "OK" has nothing to do with this thread. The fact that people can trick or treat from a summoned NPC with no timeout is going to promote unattended macroing. Not going to just keep repeating myself because people simply can't follow the topic of this thread.
     
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    God you trolls are terrible...

    I'm either not getting the gold or I already got the gold.

    Your credibility = no where.

    Thank you!
     
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    More OP bashing time!
    :banana:
     
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    If Mesanna has said something is ok, that's all there is to it. Your opinion doesn't matter a bit.

    And as people have pointed out, it can't be automated by legal methods, meaning people would resort to the same things that automate lumberjacking and mining.

    Go cry more about "bashing" you. Go cry to the mods to lock your thread because you started rubbish you can't defend.
     
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    Nice non-retort retort. You protest too much, so we all know what's really going on.
     
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    Nope, my opinion does matter, that's what community forums are for...

    Again, there is no macro that can be built in-game through CC or EC, or with the use of UOA that can dismiss a herald.


    Good job! This is why I'm not taking you seriously, "go cry moar" just isn't going to do it, friend...
    :fake:
    You can go troll another thread now. I'm not going to keep replying to bashing posts, these are obviously script kiddies trick or treating AFK who want to "get the gold."
     
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    You have no idea how much it hurts me to say this.
    Kelmo is right.
    http://stratics.com/community/threads/lets-all-lighten-up-a-little-ok.300545/
    You guys need to post some kittygoyles and cinnamon roll snails or something.
    Your both entitled to your opinions. My opinion is it was an over sight that wont be changed and isn't breaking the game.
    Get a herald and do the do........or not.
    have fun peeps Life is good
     
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    Though clearly this thread is headed toward locksville, I will chime in and say I agree with the OP. It's completely lame that you can just sit in your house and macro TrT. I don't care if Messana says its legal (and if she did thats completely lame) its against the spirit of the event.

    People should be out and about and mingling, chatting, having fun, not sitting in a room just clicking a box for treats like a lab rat.
     
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    Your opinion doesn't count when it's in contravention to the decision of highest UO powers. You can think all you want of whatever aspect of the game, but if Mesanna says it's legal or illegal, that's all that counts. You could argue all day long about shard mergers, doing away with murder counts,


    This is exactly my point, which you still can't understand. If someone's macroing a herald, then it's by illicit means anyway. You, however, insist on limiting everyone, and it's rubbish.

    You really shouldn't have protested so much (a well-known literary reference that you've probably never heard) and then posted a picture of your collection. You betrayed your own motive.

    When someone points out your illogic, that you are the one trolling, that's "trolling" and "bashing" you? Do you wonder why nobody is taking you seriously?

    Don't start things if you can't defend your position. And for the record, I've never used a herald for this.
     
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    At least you're making a sensible position here, instead of accusing anyone who disagrees as "trolling" or "bashing."
     
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    First I want to say you need to relax. It's clearly not a major exploit it is a work around but there are other things people can do to Trick or Treat FASTER than using the heralds.

    It's a holiday event people can do this ONCE a year. Let them have fun if they run into the 1 in 100 GM (do we even have 100 gms anymore? ;) ) then that GM can handle it. Crying about it on a forum is not going to change anything if the devs have already said nothing is going to be done about it.

    Happy super early Halloween :D :arr:
     
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    just saying btw.. GRRRRR AT ALL THESE DOUBLES!!!
     
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    No one is "crying" over anything. The simple fact is that a herald was not intended for this and that there is no timer to trick or treat it.
    That's just a simple fact that people can't seem to accept and so they bash the OP for it.

    When people say "your opinion doesn't matter" or "stop crying" or "you're just not getting the gold," it does nothing but add garbage to a discussion. Almost all of the negative posts were completely off topic, so I have to repeat myself to try and keep it on topic. This is not "crying."
     
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    their is only no timer if your running a script to put it up and bring it back out then that is just plain out cheating their. if your using it as it is suppose to be used then their is a 40 second to 3 minute timer on it.
     
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    Thank you for your post, it's on topic and states your opinion. Appreciated!
     
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    Summoning, trick or treating, then dismissing a herald can be done in less than 5 seconds and it can be repeated. How long does it take you to repeatedly trick or treat any other NPC in the game?
     
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    They were accused of bashing and trolling because, that's exactly what they were: negative and off-topic. At no point did I accuse anyone of bashing or trolling that stayed on topic and spoke their opinion whether it was for or against mine.

    Examples: Beating a horse in Luna, horde minions picking up pumpkins, boats/house exploits.

    They were ill-attempts at derailing this thread.
     
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    And yet it's been approved by Mesanna, so stop your whining.

    Keep crying. Get over the fact that your opinion counts for zilch, since we've been given the green light from above. Nobody died and elected you lead Dev.
     
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