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House System - Stairs Improvement - Lots of Pics

Discussion in 'UHall' started by RaDian FlGith, Apr 30, 2010.

  1. RaDian FlGith

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    One of the most interesting "features" of the housing tool is the ability to, through some creative use of the tool, create corner and spiral staircases. This is done by a mish-mosh of placing tiles, placing stairs, erasing tiles, placing more stairs, and so forth. Of course, the ability to create these unique and unusual staircases is limited by how close you are to the edge of the house plot.

    In consideration of this, and to promote an easier interface, this evening, I drew up an idea for a new stairs menu which would give access to all of the stair pieces in a particular set, platform pieces, and allow the creation of unusual stairs without any additional effort on the part of the creator.

    Now some of this would require some simple recoding, as we know the individual stair columns exist (because otherwise, the stairs trick wouldn't work in the first place). The rest would require some additional coding -- specifically, giving access to the additional stairs pieces.

    So, my first suggestion is that much like walls and roofs, the stairs menu becomes a "main menu" of stairs types:

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    Upon clicking a stair type, you would be taken to a sub-menu that would first present to you all of the available exterior stairs for that set (ie: the ones for the south edge of the house).

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    You'll notice that I added in, on this wooden set, two new stairs pieces because they would fit with the other ones, and allow more unique pieces to be used on the front end. My goal, truly, is to allow for all or most of the pieces to be used in a set, though obviously, south edge property entrance stairs must logically fit.

    If you then click the "next" or "->" button, you are taken to a Interior Full Staircases. These are four staircases in the cardinal directions that function exactly like every staircase currently presented in the "Interior Staircases" portion of a stairs set. A full set of stairs that for those not looking to do anything fancy, is already pre-built and ready to go in.

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    The next four menus are where it gets fun:

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    What I propose is that you are given the ability to build a staircase in individual pieces. This would allow you to put in a staircase any way you desired. Additionally, by including the "flat" or "block" piece, you'd be able to put in appropriate corner pieces that wouldn't require a goza. The other benefit is that you would be able to create platforms at various heights.

    This, of course, leads to one additional suggestion... height 1 stairs and platforms should not require an open floor piece above them. If you consider that stairs increment a +5 on the z-axis (thus stair 1 = +5, stair 2 = +10, et cetera), and the average person is slightly less or equal to 15 height on the z-axis, they aren't bumping their head on the ceiling at +5. You can test this by setting up gozas in your house that lead to a +5 by the house tool... you can still walk around fine. The reason for this suggestion is that platforms created at +5 (or height 1) would currently eat into the floor above, without any real reason to. Now, clearly, anything higher than height 1 should require an open space above it, as I'm certainly not going to be so ambitious as to suggest varying height floor tiles -- that would take a complete redesign of the housing system itself. What I present here, I firmly believe is a minor upgrade of the housing tool that, while taking some coding time, would not be beyond possibility, and would use existing code with a few modifications.

    On a side note... the gargoyle staircases with the brown edging to them need to be looked at and fixed. Here's why:

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    If you'll notice, in points A, there is gray stair sticking out beyond the edge of the brown border, which is not visible on the other facing. This is because of the way they stack the stairs on bricks below them, and because the brown border apparently does not flush over the top of it. I'm not sure the simple solution, except for creating a brick for those particular facings that has part of itself shaved off, and then using that to build the stairs... it just looks unfinished to have them look the way they do now.

    Additionally, in points B, you'll notice that one set of stairs uses a brown back, while the other set uses a gray back. Because of the edging, it is logical for them to use the brown back to be complete. This also means that the gray stairs (point C) would need to have a gray back on them in the rising to the east position so that they don't stand out the way they do currently.

    Well, that's all I've got for now, but I hope the Dev Team will consider this kind of improvement, because I suspect house owners would enjoy the ability to easily place corner stairs, and the introduction of easy, goza-less platforms would be nice too.
     
  2. Beer_Cayse

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    Nicely done ... and you are 100% correct that *I* would not and do not like the fiddling needed to get nice looking stairs. And Avatar help you if you need to customize your house after doing it.

    I especially like the new pieces that appear to form a flared stair - narrow at the bottom and widening at the top.

    /signed, and REALLY hope this one gets some notice!

    You deserve a :bowdown: and definitely :thumbup:
     
  3. Stupid Miner

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    ... i don't think they've ever updated old housing content since AoS. They just pretend the problems aren't there and add more stuff.
     
  4. Schuyler Bain

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    I like this idea - I give it two thumbs up! :thumbup:
     
  5. Sarsmi

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    There is nothing I don't like about this post, but you knew that already. :)
     
  6. RaDian FlGith

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    *grin* I was actually awaiting your timely stamp of approval. :)
     
  7. Zym Dragon

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    Sign me up. I have been wanting this for years as well. :thumbup:
     
  8. MalagAste

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    I've been suggesting this for ages...

    I'm told to "be patient" with the housing menu...

    I'm not. I want many, many things fixed... updated and added.

    I'd love for stairs to work like this... It's EXACTLY what I've been asking for... I see no reason why stiars shouldn't work this way.

    I've asked to have the single block of stairs added to the INTERIOR... to make a platform.... and this should NOT require an opening in the floor above...

    I agree level one stairs should NOT require the floor above to be open.



    I mostly more than anything want the menu updated with owners, co-owners, friends and etc......


    I should be able to set all my characters to co-owner of all my houses just like I could with the KR menu... it's BEYOND time to fix this. I want to have a setting for "Alliance"..... so I can set things to my alliance.... not just guild...

    I want to be able to set a chest and "target" the person I want to have "access" to it... Working much like "vendor" contracts I want a storage rental contract that I can apply to a container. This way I can manage an Inn.... and have it "feel" like they rent from me.


    I want the tiles updated to included the 100's of missing corner tiles... So many tile sets are "unfinished". So are the red stairs.

    I want the black Umbra tiles added to the housing design tool... I see absolutely NO reason why these are not in there in the first place..... I have to puke everytime I see those god aweful crystal tiles the least I could have is some nice black... which is FAR more pleasing on the eyes.

    I want to stop seeing my paintings, some of my wall tiles, and a million other objects peeking through the floor from below...

    I want parrots to stop blocking tiles on the floor above them.

    There are 100's of "BUGS" with the housing that I have reported again and again and again.....

    They need fixed.

    My patience is seriously being stretched to it's limit.
     
  9. Mapper

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    Doubt that's possible, You need the floor above open otherwise you wouldn't be able to use the platform, Your head would stick through the 2nd floor. :p
     
  10. Lady Laurel

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    This is a GREAT idea!!!!!

    I would throw a party and do cartwheels if they implemented this.
     
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    More flexibility with stairs would be great.
     
  13. RaDian FlGith

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    Actually, lots of people use gozas to do just that... create a +5 z-axis platform that you can walk on, and your head is just fine. Certainly the effect, if there is one, is no worse than say a mounted person running through your house or a gargoyle flying through it. Those are just clipping issues and have little to no bearing on functionality.

    I've never heard anyone complain about heads popping through on a +5 z-axis platform... but I know for certain that you can walk just fine, with a ceiling there, which is why I brought it up in the initial post.
     
  14. Trevelyan

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    Wheres my sandstone and marble house base?

    Forget stairs. Need more bases!
     
  15. Mapper

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    So I just made a goza stairs on the bottom floor, I could go up 4 gozas (4 z axis), The 5th wouldn't let me, What have I done wrong then?
     
  16. It Lives

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    OP: Sweet! I would dump a keep for a 18x if they did this!




    Matching foundations are a must too!
     
  17. Stupid Miner

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    This is inaccurate. There's quite a bit of difference between character height and ceiling height, allows for a good-sized platform.
     
  18. Mapper

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    I've yet to see any proof, Then I'd love to believe you, I just tried to create a platform with gozas and couldn't walk on it.

    They would need to make the stair blocks 1 pixel lower to walk on them, I'm not saying this is impossible, It just isn't as easy as you may think.
     
  19. Flora Green

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    /signed Radian!
     
  20. DevilsOwn

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    this would function, then, just as the stair building in Kurgan's HouseBuilder tool :)

    /signed :thumbup:
     
  21. Jhym

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    Nice job, fully agree.

    It'd be nice (unless I'm missing something obvious) if they also added bridge tiles in to the extras mix. I want to make a few simple bridges over streams but have to go through a mess of fiddling with gozas, adding and deleting tiles and other things to make it work.
     
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    That is one of the biggest problems in the whole industry today, not just UO (and really not even limited to MMO's). The 'higher ups' don't care about fixing the old problems, they just want you to put out new stuff to generate more revenue.

    Personally, I'd like to see the devs take at least 3 months off to devote to nothing but resolving old bugs.
     
  23. RaDian FlGith

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    Well, you have to do a "goza staircase" too... basically you can't walk onto the tile z+5 when you're at z... if you take another goza and raise it to z+2, you'll then be able to walk onto your z+5 goza. At z+5, without anything else to raise you up to it, it's like walking into a square block. It's not that you can't actually be on it, you just can't physically walk from z to z+5 without it either being a stair or a transition (ie: the z+2 goza).
     
  24. RaDian FlGith

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    Stairs blocks, just FYI, must be special in some regard, because they do (as you witness by actually moving up them) allow you to cross from z to z+20 without any issue. I'm pretty sure it's something coded specifically to stairs blocks that allow you to do this.
     
  25. Mapper

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    Feel free to take a look, On TC out the east gate:

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    I can use the stairs to walk onto gozas at Z +4, but at Z+5 it doesn't work. I don't know what the z height of the stair blocks are, but if they are more than 4 I'm saying I do not believe it would work.
     
  26. Zosimus

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    Good job on catching that. Nicely done. Wish they fix stuff though instead of adding eye candy as they usually do to make you forget for a while.
     
  27. RaDian FlGith

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    Hmm... I was pretty sure it was 5 up on the gozas, but clearly I could be wrong. And of course, I'm not certain what the actual z-height is on the stairs, though I suspect it doesn't actually hit 5 on the first level.
     
  28. Martyna Zmuir

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    /SIGNED

    Please add the long missing remaining housing tiles too! So many missing pieces!

    If the Devs really wanted to impress us, they'd give us the ability to put more than one arcitectural element on the same tile.. So we could co things like a balcony with a railing that has a support column for the floor above.

    Staircase railing that work...(we have the tiles, but they are completely useless)

    etc...
     
  29. RaDian FlGith

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    You know, I was rebuilding one of my plots earlier today, and in order to get stuff into the moving crate, I decided to fill floors with walls all the way just to pop 'em inside.

    That's when I realized there's a maximum item count for use in any plot design.

    Which does beg the question, "Why can't we have multiple items in the same tile?"

    For me, it'd be nice to be able to make arches in corners, or to be able to make proper palisades on the top of castles, and so forth.

    Of course, for real stair railings, they'd have to fix how the railings work. Sadly, as they are in the game, most of them are pointless tiles in the housing system because they don't lie properly... and those that do... the flat ones... must be used against south and east facing walls so that they but up against something properly.

    I suspect it would take some recoding, but it shouldn't be that hard.
     
  30. RaDian FlGith

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    Oh... and one more thing...

    While we're on the subject of improving the house tool... give us back unlimited co-owners... It's such a pain to not be able to have friended houses simply because doing so means I can't keep anything of worth there.

    KR's client had that one correct... and there's no good reason anymore for not doing it. The co-owner restriction of old was because co-owners got 25-item containers that were uniquely theirs and no one else could go into them (except the owner, I believe). That's been gone for ages, and ages. At this point, the only advantage of being a co-owner is being able to decorate and secure stuff... and believe me, if co-own someone, they have my trust they won't randomly mess stuff up (or they're my own chars... heh).

    So yeah... that too. :)