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How about all scrolls can be cast 100% successfully?

Discussion in 'UHall' started by northwoodschopper, Jun 29, 2010.

  1. This would give scrolls more of a market, and better use. Wouldn't unbalance anything since most of the note-worthy spells have requirements for magery and eval int for magnitude and duration (only humans would have some rudimentary bonus to some scrolls from the +20 jack of all trades), along with the fundamental intelligence requirement for certain circles (7th and 8th circles use to require 40 and 50 int respectively, not sure nowadays). It'll give scribes more of a market to sell inscribed goods.

    this means there could be some utility use of magery scrolls for templates that want to work around the restrictions of relying on heavy, uninsurable, one time use scrolls.

    the other spell should work this way too, but as their spells almost exclusively require the corresponding skill and syngery, this would be of no use except to very specific templates, if any.
     
  2. hen

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    I hate to be blunt but this is a horrible idea.
    Mages should cast magery spells.
    Necros should cast necro spells.
    No one else.
     
  4. :lol:

    any examples why it would be a bad idea? UO is a class-less game.
     
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    Sure and we can make all animals tamable 100%, All weapons could hit 100%, Any item can be made 100% with no materials. Don't forget 100% provoke and peace. Only 80% to discord...we don't want to give everyone godly abilities.
     
  6. that's just asinine. you do realize that there's more to casting than just success, right? :rolleyes:
    for example, everyone can already cast circles 1-2 on scrolls. however, most of the spells are bunk without any skill behind them.
     
  7. Specialshoes

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    No it is not asinine. You still have to get the reagents.
     
  8. you don't need reagents, as they are incorporated into the scroll during creation, not casting.

    the only scrolls which would work unconditionally of caster skills would be:
    circle 3:
    teleport (though distance may be tied to magery %)
    telekinesis

    circle 4:
    recall

    circle 5:
    dispel field

    circle 6:
    mark

    circle 7:
    gate travel
    mass dispel
    polymorph

    circle 8:
    resurrection

    the rest of the spells heavily rely on magery for duration or magnitude, as well as eval int for additional magnitude too.

    this will give scroll sellers a potential new audience for higher circle scrolls, which means more vendor business for scribes from a disposible, heavy, uninsurable stacked item. scrolls were originally meant for more than just filling spellbooks and runebooks.
     
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    Omg!...your serious? Am I correct in reading that you actually want more easy mode?
     
  10. easy mode to what, really? seriously, explain. you really think that craftable, expendable scrolls that existed since the beginning of the game, are going to make the game tons more easy when LRC suits, ever expanding magnitudes of artifacts flowing in-game, insurance, etc are already a mainstay? seriously?

    explain how this will possibly even affect your character, giving you an easy mode button.
     
  11. Specialshoes

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    No longer have to waste skill points to res people in my group. That free's up some skill points. No need to waste any skill points on that insta hide to get away from mobs. Cause lets face it you only need to blink off screen to remove targeting. That's just two examples I can think of off the top of my head.

    Why not just altogether remove the skill caps?
     
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    I do not like this idea. I think that if you want to cast spells (particularly higher level spells), then you need to dedicate the skill pts to it.

    Yes, there are no classes in UO, but there are templates. And part of building a template is selecting what skills you want included in your template, and what you may have to leave off, or have less skill in.
     
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    yes! give to my sampire the magery, necromancy, spellweaving and mysticism spell for free and I'll rename my char in God :D
     
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    Scrolls already have a use. Up to whatever circle recall is in requires 0 magery skill to use.

    For mages they are useful. With scrolls a GM mage can successfully cast even the hardest spells they'd fizzle at on occasion such as resurrection. If you have a mage at a part-way level, like 60 or something, you can use scrolls to cast higher level circles that you'd be unable to cast alone.
     
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    This
    +1
     
  17. Beer_Cayse

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    this ... +2 (right behind Flutter)
     
  18. Yen Sid

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    I gotta say that this is probably the worst idea I have heard in a long time. You want to cast spells? Then get magery. Can't fit it on your template? Play on test and make some "set skill" macros rolleyes:.

    :sad3: I can't have everything on my character at the same time :sad2:.

    Close this thread, it's nonsense.

    /facepalm
     
  19. :lol:

    you're all scared of newbs gate travelling and ressing each other.

    obviously no one that posted really understood my post, but that's expected. i'll concede, since it's making people mad.

    :lol:
     
  20. Beastmaster

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    Not about being mad. Its the fact that you belittle the class that has the necessary skill. Face it, its a bad idea. If you're looking for something to make your scribe more viable, then you should be looking for things your scribe could do that would not affect game balance.
     
  21. Geoffery

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    First off; No. To use the abilities of a skill, you should have to invest in the skill like everyone is saying.

    That said, mage weapons should go away too. Same concept, same result. You get a 'free' skill for no investment.
     
  22. well, to put it in perspective, you can already do this with a mere 30 or so skill points in magery, and some +skill items. even get to the point where you can cast like a gm mage. now, everyone in this thread is up in arms about belittlement of mages, and imbalance, and what have you. it already exists in form, and will continue to increase as more artifacts are introduced narrowing this so called gap.

    i have to wonder why this matters so much, as scrolls inherently have the disadvantage of being heavy at one stone per scroll, which effectively limits how much you can cast per outting. at 100 strength, you can only carry ~380 scrolls, if you were naked and to carry nothing else. and depending on the circle, those scrolls add up in cost, especially if looted. not to mention how inconvenient it would be to restock in the age of LRC.

    so really, this arguement ammounts to 30 skill points and a few items. my idea was more for increasing a commodity for newer characters, but given the realization of all of this, it probably would end up a novelty rather than have any lasting effect.
     
  23. Sevin0oo0

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    no, if you wanted it to be easy, it'd be called wow
     
  24. Viper09

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    Not even WoW is that easy though, lol.
     
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    it's been told to you, multiple times. Also, you probably want to learn how to spell Argument and amounts before another Grammar Nazi comes in. You see, constant misspellings of common words can be used by lesser people to imply you lack intelligence.

    ANYWAY since the counter argument seems to be over your head...

    MAGE skill to cast mage spell. No Mage skill. No mage spell.

    Now, in detail.

    Even without The duration or damage increase from Eval or Magery, there are a lot of usefulness from being able to cast the spells just from the scroll. It doesn't matter what you can already do, that's a moot point.

    You can summon creatures. Sure, they have a low duration, just means you have to use more scrolls not that it's completely useless.

    You can use invis. You can gate, you can res... without having any skill points invested in anything. You may see that as awesome, but it kind of ruins some of the reason to even have magery.

    Then there's the whole putting 120 eval on, no magery, and just using scrolls like they were potions. But I guess you didn't think about that. Or anything about what you asked for.
     
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    What about energy vortex? The stratics pages do not say that magery increases its strength or duration.
     
  27. chuckoatl

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    very dumb idea. I could just put 120 eval, 120 SS, 120 focus on a char and run around with 250 scrolls on me......... SURE!!!!


    Magery is already the most used skill in the game, been perfect for years. Don't change it.
     
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    I wouldn't say 100%, but it would be nice to give a boost to casting them. Make it easier to cast a spell from a scroll than regularly.
     
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    Um... They are easier to cast than regularly, by two circles.
     
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    popps is that you?
     
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    Yeah, you're right! I'm getting old and forgetful.