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How about some love for Bards (during events)

Discussion in 'UHall' started by Blood Ghoul, Oct 9, 2012.

  1. Blood Ghoul

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    I have not attended an event that I can actually remember where any Bard abilities would work. You always get something to the order of "that ability will not work on your target." Being a 3x 120 Bard I cannot participate at all (The rest of my template is tamer and if you send in a pet you get summoned and almost instant killed).

    While I am not saying you make peace, discord or provoke work but how about against event monster you make all three abilities work as a damage spell or something where the bard would atleast do some damage to the event monsters. I do not think any class (non-crafter) is completely unable to do anything.

    Just my two cents

    Blood Ghoul
     
  2. Poo

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    im just trying to think which recent event that bard stuff could not work at.

    pumpkins... works.
    dead critters in the graveyard.... works.
    exodus.... worked.
     
  3. Merus

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    I think he is referring to EM events.
     
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    ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
     
  5. Lord Frodo

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    I don't know what he is talking about and I take my Tamer/Bard with a GD to almost all EM events.
     
  6. Kelly O'Brian

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    'completely unable to do anything'

    Reality check:
    There are no classes in UO, but skill combinations fitting in some situations well and less in others.

    Knowing your skills is a start: Bard Masteries - UOGuide, the Ultima Online encyclopedia

    In case the EM-Boss-Monster should be immun to THE 'direct damage' song Despair, you may encourage folks to join your survival-support-by-peace/provo-bard-songs-party.
    Which is highly welcome, escpecially when the crowd is facing those EM-doom-like-boss and its army.
    Furthermore, healing this way makes you eligible for event-into-the-backpack-drops.
    Firehorn: A little extra fun
    Plus, in case you run an arcane skill: Even more support or DD opportunities.

    Still not satisfied? Switch the skill combo via soulstone or bring in another, different skilled char.

    In case nothing of this fits you:

    Light a camp fire (+2MR?), sit down and have some cheese with the whine while you think of improving your drama tales more entertaining
     
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  7. Hunters' Moon

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    I can see both sides to this. What if an EM decided that his event boss could not be melee'd or a tamer could not target the boss with the cursor after saying "all kill"? The same could be done against any spell caster. *You attempt to cast a spell against [fill in the blank] but you can not focus*. It is the same when us bards get the message that none of our bard skills are allowed to work on the target. We can't even make the attempt to disco,peace,or provoke.

    On the other hand,we have up to seven character slots. If your bard/tamer is ineffective against the boss,go get your sampire or mystic/mage.
     
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  8. Blood Ghoul

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    I understand my skills Kelly O'Brian...and while there are no classes specifically but if the majority of your skills revolve around bard then acoording to acceptable jargon you are a "bard" ..or mage..or sampire..or whatever..

    And I am talking about EM events.. and its not normally just bosses that are immune its everything that spawns...I know I could stone or bring a different character but maybe they should mix it up every once in awhile.
     
  9. Mr. Smither1

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    The other issue is only one bard can cast the disco spells. I built my bard with med/focus and lots of mr to use both disco spells but when there is a big group of players it boils down to who gets the spells off first or you hope the bard who cast the spells first dies or gets interrupted.
     
  10. Edward Striker

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    I hear what all of you are saying but;

    Let me throw my two cents in and you can beat me up afterwards. All class of (combat / Combat Support) characters should have some effect on a monsters, depending on the beast it is, it could be greater than some or lesser, but not totally denied.

    As for changing a character or using another slot, that should not even be talked about. You should not have to switch your primary character around or make a new one just to take part in an event, that’s just silly talk. If that’s your mind set, then EM’s should make events where “pets” are not allowed!

    I wonder just how many tamers would be pissed they had to miss out? I for one would favor it, tired of my archer going to EM events and can do anything because of the 15 to 20 dragons blocking the view of the target even using the (Shift-Ctrl) command.

    EM events are open to everyone, as they should be and this player (Blood Ghoul) has a valid point. Because for whatever reason the EM’s have choose to exclude certain classes while catering to others, which is evident in have to have 15 to 20 dragons to kill the dam boss.

    Which is brings up another sore subject of EM events, awards! Damaged based awards is wrong, it’s not fair to other players who actively take part, but because they are not a tamer or mage(all classes) they are unable to do the damage required to be in the up level to be awarded. Also in case you have not figured it out, they use EM events to try to remove gold from the shards, look at how many deaths take place during them and how much insurance money is loss!!!

    The only way to solve this is, open the EM gate to the event at X time and close it at X time, if you’re not there, too bad! Kind of like what they did with Blackthorns’ coronation. If there is an award to be given out, it’s given to those who are there!

    Yes I understand you can’t make everyone happy, but they should at least make the attempt to include everyone at some point.

    P.S.
    It’s because of all the Tamers, all my characters wear knee high boots!
     
  11. Kelly O'Brian

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    There are still no classes, Mr. Striker. And Looting rights based on damage only are way gone, too.
    Besides that, i showed you a way to be an important part of the EM-Boss-Hunting-party.
    Ignoring all three parts in one attempt, does not create even a single "valid point".

    Ya know, there is a difference between constructive proposals and immature "Mum, but I want it only the way i want to"
     
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  12. Sono

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    I think you missed his points, especially his main one.

    #1 - All player types should be able to be a part of EM events. It's being inclusive, instead of exclusive.

    #2 - We have to 'fix' our character to fit into the EM event. That's kind of an odd way of looking at it. For example, I had a mystic/mage/spellweaver who does well in most spawns and dungeons. But, to participate in EM events effectively, I had to create a tamer/mage. That seems silly. And, I'd hate to think if I was a bard and couldn't do any damage. I still take my mystic/mage/sw to spawns because she does better at most places, except for EM events.

    #3 - And, I don't know what EM events that you have been a part of, but the last one that handed out an event item (not including all shard events), was based on damage and so was the one before that. People got rings based on the current story line on Atlantic. Recent EM events haven't handed out any items. I like these EM events that don't hand out any items; instead, they are a part of a larger story and have meaning.

    #4 His post was constructive and was not an "Mum, but I want it too." type post. It was thoughtful and had some valid points that showed that he thought about the situation and wanted to offer some ideas.
     
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  13. Merus

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    IMO, you post boils down to depend on others being willing to join your party and share all looting rights ( which is not likely since some event drops are still on corpses and one if the primary reasons they gave healers looting rights) or switch out skills/characters (which completely ignores the fact that bard skills are useless at EM events hence this thread).

    If every EM event across all shards every week of every month had mobs that were 100% immune to melee damage would you really suggest that the correct solution would be to tell warriors, archers and throwers to heal the mages and tamers with their healing skill or bring a different character?

    As to your argument regarding "classes" I also disagree... Spellcasters, warriors, bards, thieves and crafters are indeed classes in UO. The fact that UO allows the flexibility to customize those templates does not diminish those as classes of characters. Bard skills are primarily PvM driven skills with the addition of mastery songs to benefit the party. As far as I can tell they are the only PvM class that is entirely barred from engaging EM event mobs by virtue of game mechanics. As others have correctly pointed out, all classes should have the opportunity to engage the mobs.
     
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  14. Nyses

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    Unlike the Peace and Provoke masteries, the Discord ones, have a limited duration, with persistence, luck and timing, you should be able to get your Disco Masteries off during a long fight. The others will eventually miss their timing and/or run out of mana. I also started carrying a Mage Weapon SC Magical Short bow with hit lighting at 50% on it. I can always grab that and get some extra damage in, plus the heals. :)
     
  15. Edward Striker

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    Yeah what he said! :)
     
  16. Thailog

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    There is a vocal group of people from every type of template that will say the exact same thing about being left out or not being able to compete in events. I have gotten drops from events using just about every PvM template I can think of......In fact I think my Disco/Mystic has gotten more than any other.

    Favorites for EM events:
    Mystic/Disco/SW
    Mystic/Disco/Mage
    ABC
    Bush/Thrower
    Mystic/Mage
    Strong/Classic Mage
    Standard Swordsman
    Nox Mage
    SW Mage
    Any of these characters can out damage any GD any day of the week. I have gotten at least one drop with all of them.

    Maybe the real issue is a PEBKAC error?
     
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  17. Blood Ghoul

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    You are right.. I am sure its just me.. For some reason whenever I try to use disco/peace/or provo.. I get the message "bard abilities will not work on that target" But on your Disco/Mystic you are able to discord everytime because you are so awesome.. Actually you are a punk ..

    All I was trying to say is no bard abilities work on event spawns..I was at an event last night where even spawned "Ghouls," not even the named/tougher monsters, were 100% immune.. Its true I probably should bring a different character in the future but I would rather compete in EM events with the one I consider my main since the rest are more of alts..

    BG
     
  18. CovenantX

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    Corrupted Life Leech & Auto-Dispell, should be more common (not on Everything) than non-bard-able mobs/bosses (IMO).

    I often take my bard to EM events (when I can) but I often switch to my Sampire if there are things to kill.
     
  19. Poo

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    PEBKAC ???
     
  20. Snakeman

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    Bloods correct, why should we have to swap to another type of toon? I enjoy playing my Disco mage, or my peace provo mage more then any fighter or tamer mage I have. I would, but seriously think standing around giving one command or a couple of All Kills is a lot less exciting. Even the fighters with all 120's in most skills does get old to be 1 hit smacked & grey worlded over & over again. If fighters or spell casters were given the message "your abilities are not effective" because they were not up to Elder or better, would that be fair??? No it wouldn't be, so why is it since most bards that go to these events are all 120's in their skills should we/they get the message "your ability will not work on this target"?? UO has always been a place where any type of player can play, but in the Em events the bards are being left out unfortunately :(
     
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  21. Thailog

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    Okay then...sorry for coming off as a jerk. Bard Masteries - UOGuide, the Ultima Online encyclopedia

    They work on everything. Personally, when I use one of my Disco chars I cycle through Trib and Despair, throw my summons out, and pound on my target with whatever works best. Spellsong will be disrupted, recast, summons die or dispelled, resummon. Rinse and repeat. If I am having trouble I carry a fast mage wep. repeater with hit lightning.


    Are you doing anything to damage these event monsters other than disco/provo/peace? A bard is really intended to be a supporting member of a party. Perhaps you should be teaming up with some guildies?

    Tamers are over rated. If you are using that as an excuse then you need to reexamine your play style.
    If you really like using what you have, then learn to use it to your advantage. Just like the real world you need to be flexible. Don`t walk into a situation with a battle plan that is %100 set in stone.
    While on that topic, WoD does not work on at least one monster.
     
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