Learning stealing is a somewhat new to me, despite having played this game over 7 years. I started by carefully reading the faq. Gave my husband a laugh by spending 20 minutes getting 'you catch yourself red-handed', no gains and no successful steals. Totally mystified at what I was doing wrong. Then I discovered that the pack I'd loaded the items into was my own, in my back pack, instead of the pack llamas. Having sorted that one out I started gaining, but rapidly lost patience with seperating out piles of 30gp. Here's what I've now done. 1. use uoa organiser agent to load 20 items neatly lined up in a bag (boots for 3 stone, skirts for 4 stone, now up to tunics at 5 stone) Place this bag in the pack animal's back pack. 2. make in uo a macro as follows. use skill - stealing delay - 110 use skill - stealing delay - 110 use skill - stealing delay - 110 use skill - stealing delay - 110 use skill - stealing whisper - all guard me. The last line is more of a clue to me that it's finished. Even with only 5 actions I can lose count *is blonde* I set this running and just click the mouse each time the targetting cursor appears. When the bag is empty I move it to my pack and use uoa organiser to refill it. The items are close together so very little mouse movement is needed to click on each one. I find it easier on my hands and fingers. Any comments?