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How does that work then?

Discussion in 'UO Europa' started by jack flash uk, Aug 23, 2009.

  1. jack flash uk

    jack flash uk Crazed Zealot
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    nice idoc on a tokuno island, sad people put boxes everywhere to block others

    now the interesting part, there is a new plot down, and yet if i try to place aswell i get the "temporary unavailable" message


    So how does that work then LEGALLY?

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    as you can see the new plot place VERY QUICKLY and yet i have the message saying nothing can be placed?

    i know the fall time, i knew i would miss it, but i knew i would get home in time for a shot at placing under the new rules, less than 20 mins after fall new plot down what gives?

    alot of the ~NEW plot is in the area where no placement is allowed
     
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    An HOUR after fall, still not allowed to place


    SO do we have ANOTHER new expliot?
     
  3. Bobar

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    I've wondered about that, after the fall of a keep a while ago a new plot appeared at fall, just like the old days.

    You may be right and a new script is in operation.
     
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    19.19 plot allowed in place


    so Crisssy care to explain this one to me as i think this is appalling


    i am very outspoken when it comes to idocs, as most reading will know, these changes, i do not like at all, were supposed to even the playing field so people like me cant instaplace, so how can someone get around these rules legally?
     
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    Not sure if my theory holds any water but here goes:

    Maybe they targeted a tile just outside the temporary-no-place-zone... I wouldn't be surprised if the code to prevent placement was another hack and only checked the one, targeted, tile.
     
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    Hi Leto this is very odd

    the new owner was here just a min ago, and i asked how they beat the placement timer

    "what timer?", " this is the first house i have placed in years"


    well, i must be incredibly crap at idocs (no comments pls:)) and did not know this?

    of course this is NOT the case, i even tried to place a small in front and to the side so the house site would not be in the no place zone, and nope, same message

    something def wrong here
     
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    It has also come to my attention that, placing boxes etc to block runes is illegal? is this correct Leto, or anyone else that may know?
     
  8. Lucy of Kenton

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    I also tried to attend this idoc. however every tile on the island was covered. i thought about reporting this but wondered if it was against tos but kinda figured it was just some gamesmanship.
    :danceb::danceb:
     
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    The owner reactivated before the fall, stood under the house sign and said 'I wish to resize my house'. Then resized..
     
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    Well that theory dont seem to hold much water if the new owner said to Jack 'This is the first house I have PLACED in years'.
     
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    different char and moved the plot across so i dont think so, also he told me personnally that he just placed a new house


    another theory is that IF you are alone at an idoc you are not subject to the timer? i wonder

    still doe sont excuse the blocking of the island, luckily i logged there, and as i am sure, logged in with plenty of time to legally try to place

    and i have had discussions with other idocers on icq and i have not had any ideas that excuse the fact that i could not place next door to the "new" house funtil over an hour later

    i was subject to the unavailable placement rules and the new owner clearly was not
     
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    lol beat me to it
     
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    well i got a canned message, as expected and the suspected cheat has built a new home, so it looks like another expliot goes unchallenged, and we the victims just have to put up with it and move along again, smashing stuff
     
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    Hey, people can lie - when you resize a plot all your items fall to the ground like at an IDOC, so it would make sense to block off the island in case anybody did show up to loot it. 'Years' could also mean 3 months.. :)
     
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    i understand what you are saying but no

    i saw a friend of the placer trying the blocking idea yesterday, they tried with a few things till the worked out the small boxes work

    they had a boat moored next to island as their recall point

    i also saw the friend a few days ago as i was keeping tabs on the state of the house, half expecting it to refresh
     
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    ah Europa down, mini revert so i can get my house?? lol
     
  17. That is the same idoc that the plot fell last year. LOL One of the known scripters placed there. I remember some other known idocers placed ball bags all over and cast fire fields and stuff.
     
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    I think the underlying problem is the continuing existence of scripters within UO, this ensures the steady flow of new/improved script programmes; twas ever thus and it seems to me it is far too late in the day for a solution to even be attempted.

    So all of us who play within the rules must simply accept that scripters are going to be with us always.

    As a long time Idocer I am aware that there is currently a group operating a script timer for idocs, that being so it is logical to assume they probably also use a known script to find Idocs in the first place plus any other aids of which I am ignorant.

    So what can you do?. In short the answer is NOTHING.

    If you are a fan of canned responses you could of course page. However knowing yourself that someone is scripting does not constitute proof and I have yet to hear of, or see, a GM even attempting to identify a scripter.

    The only thing to do is accept that cheats are a part of the game and feel sorry for them. After all what can be more pathetic than having the necessity to cheat in a GAME?.
     
  19. RD Gumbie

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    I have 2 explinations on how it could have worked out like it did:

    1)Guy is there for the fall and places in under 20 mins (can happen but seems to take longer quite ofter)
    He then decieded he would rather move it to a better spot there on the island so he says "I wish to resize my house" and moves it somewhat.
    Then Jack Flash recalls in and trys to place and there is still a timer on the spot where Guy just moved the house from for 1 hr. And by the sounds Jack couldnt place for 1 hr i think he said.

    2) 2 people placed at the IDOC one that you see on the picture and another person placed next to it and then tried to resize but figured it was worthless to have a smaller house there?

    It's just Ive seen luna houses and castles and noone has beat the timer for those so I wouldnt think they were saving it for this plot, guess we will see in the future.
     
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    Theres a bug with the resizing currently, if you have placed a house within 7 days and try to resize it won't let you. Still think my idea is plausible, resizing your house is just one way you can get it out of condemned status :)
     
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    and what about the legality of all the boxes blocking recallers?
     
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    With regard to this type of blocking which has also been used before my understanding from some years ago is that placing objects to block runes violates the ROC rule 24 which states

    ' You will not do anything else that interferes with the ability of other Ultima Online users to enjoy playing the game in accordance with its rules, or that increases the expense or difficulty of Electronic Arts in maintaining the Ultima Online service for the enjoyment of all its users.'

    At that time i was given to understand that placing blockers violates this section in that it prevented players from recalling to the normal playing area.
    In this instance it was done with the sole intentiuon of preventing you from attending this particular idoc and thus interfered with your ability to 'enjoy playing the game in accordance with its rules'. If you enjoy Idocs your participation in a normal aspect of playing was stopped.
     
  23. Lucy of Kenton

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    interesting but i can guarantee that the response if i paged would have been canned
     
  24. Bobar

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    Aye theres the rub. We are all well aware of the apparent reluctance to enforce the rules so it is no surprise that they are continually flouted.

    The current procedure of reporting and response falls woefully short of what we might reasonably expect.
     
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    Placing stuff to block recalling/gating is generally regarded as "illegal" etc.

    However, if its done for role play purposes and is removed afterwards is generally deemed acceptable.
     
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    oh yes they cleared up up quickly afterwards, shame a GM did not bother so see, the evidence was there to see

    instead i got a can of "can't be assed as i am a lazy tosser" as expected
     
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    They may have cleared up but in your original post the picture quite clearly shows what was done. Difficult to justify those on the grounds of role-play I would think, but nicely demonstrative of the sort of things that get paged on with just a canned response and no action.