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How else are PVP issues supposed to be brought to the attention of the community?

Discussion in 'UHall' started by Guest, Mar 23, 2008.

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  1. Guest

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    Last night I took some videos of blatant exploitation taking place at a Harrower. Within an hour there were about 10 replies, all expressing outrage at what was going on. But then it got removed because of Stratics' rule of not accusing people of anything. I can understand if someone posts text or a screenshot, that is hard to decide upon. But this was a ~6 minute video of just one issue that our guild has to deal with every day.

    We have been dealing with this same group of players on and off for three years now. They used to just transfer between shards, but have now settled on Atlantic because it provides the only challenge left for them in the game. While it is fun for them it absolutely is not for us who have to deal with their constant exploitation, scripting and client hacks.

    Just last night we spent over 3 hours taking down their scripted spawn cams so we could do a couple spawns without getting crashed. It just wasn't a single person, about 5 total were helping out for varying length of time. Our efforts resulted in 26 cameras being ejected and us being able to spend ~45 minutes doing spawns. Does that sound like lots of fun for us? Spending hours tracking down, killing, ejecting characters run by a script who continues to login at Chaos shrine until the owner finally gets home to shut it off? I could make and post a video of this but that would end up just getting removed also.

    Then there is issue I posted a video of. Two nights ago this group of players chained 3 Harrowers back to back using the peacemaking exploit. They were able to devote all but a single one to defense, fielding as many as 25 players. Our guild doesn't have such a luxury. Even though we can field more players, it only reaches to about 35. If we have to devote 10-15 to killing the Harrower. We come up at a disadvantage in more ways then one. You see our guild does not recruit the absolute best PVP players while this other group pulls their members from every western shard and Test Center. So even if we managed to have a slight numbers advantage of 30 to 20, it does not mean anything to them.

    I can go on and on about what has happened over the past 3 years. But no one wants to read all that. Let me just touch on another thing that just began happening last week with these people. They claimed to be very excited about the upcoming Factions event and have already joined a guild of 25 in what they said was the "worst" faction base. It turns out it was just part of their plan. Now they have their non-faction murderer guild stand guard at the entrance, allowing them to avoid stat loss. You can't get past without going through them. They posted numerous times, calling me all sorts of names when I said Murderers should not be allowed in guard zones. But then they create an all blue faction guild.

    Their style of play has been devastating to the once vibrant PVP community on Atlantic. Just a few months ago they transferred to another shard. Almost instantly things got 1000x better. Within a few weeks there were 3 major guilds of almost equal strength fighting every single night. Plus many upcoming smaller guilds, about a half dozen. But then this unsavory group of players returned with their cheating, scripting and hacking methods. Within a week two of the major guilds I just spoke about merged, another week they broke up and one transferred off Atlantic. The guild who stayed has been completely AWOL from Felucca for nearly a month now. All those upcoming smaller guilds have disappeared or returned to Yew moongate. Only one major guild still puts up the occasional fight which is why they keep coming back to Atlantic.

    It is going to take a lot of effort by the developers to bring things back to a point where such a group of players can not ruin the PVP fun for an entire shard. One fix a publish simply isn't going to do it. I reported the Peacemaking exploit over a month ago and it is not slated for fix this publish. However the "Wanding" one is, another favorite for this group of players.
     
  2. Yeah... No suprises in the video's. That particular bug has been around for ages etc, but it's still a kick in the teeth to see it used like that. If that harry was spawned for PvP it's particularly lame to see it automated and rushed like that.

    As far as stratics goes....I kinda agree it's not a good idea to post bugs here, but then again people don't seem to realize that the ONLY way the developers seem to ever fix stuff is when a thread hits 25+ pages on UO. Hall etc...

    Anyway....sadly the reality of UO today is

    If you cant beat em join em......

    P.S.--- It wasn't hard to figure out where else you might have put this info heh.
     
  3. AncientGeek

    AncientGeek Guest

    In my opinion it was a low blow that they blanked out your video as it didn't tell how to do the exploit. It also highlighted the three unavoidable truths to uo pvp: 1). nothing gets fixed without a chorus of pissed people pancakes for months for action and fixes--and the only way for this to happen is for stratics to allow the discussion to take place 2). The inability to even attempt fixes with respect to cheating has critically wounded it and the resulting product is no longer remotely enjoyable anymore 3). Neither one nor two above is going to change because we lack the resources, the will and the ability to take the kind of steps that would need to be taken.

    While I admire your dedication at fighting the good fight, this battle is lost. There isn't going to be real fix for PvP in the near future. Accept it and it gets easier.
     
  4. And PvP'rs wonder why on earth more people don't want to PvP. Just reading the boards daily, you see constantly building frustration, anxiety, degradation, humiliation, PO'd players....the list could go on until the thesaurus ran out.

    Heh, I play the game to have fun, relax, and enjoy myself, not to experience any of the above. Ya'll can keep it.
     
  5. As always stratic rules seem to protect these individuals and only a few robot accounts are dealt with.

    Clearly it shows that honest players have to police up the game in normal game play.

    If you want to organize to fight these guys let me know. It really gives me a purpose to PvP.
     
  6. Guest

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    <blockquote><hr>

    While I admire your dedication at fighting the good fight, this battle is lost. There isn't going to be real fix for PvP in the near future. Accept it and it gets easier.

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    Accepting it means quitting UO. We would end up disbanding because, while some will dispute it, we are primarily a PVP guild. These players are the only ones left to fight because they drove everyone else away with their exploits, scripting and hacking.
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    If you want to organize to fight these guys let me know.

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    Our guild has been organized and fighting this fight for the last 3 years. The best way anyone can help is bringing PVP issues to the attention of the developers. Chances are if it is bad for PVP, these guys are using it.
     
  7. Guest

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    We have been dealing with this same group of players on and off for three years now. They used to just transfer between shards, but have now settled on Atlantic because it provides the only challenge left for them in the game. While it is fun for them it absolutely is not for us who have to deal with their constant exploitation, scripting and client hacks.


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    This is exactly what non PvP people see every time they try to go to felucca. You bring it out that a guild does this. You do not mention the several individuals that do similar things.

    Yet the PvP community comes here and asks for more things to be done in Felucca, they complain that people abandoned felucca, they call non PvP players all kinds of names. And what you have posted about, and yet they expect players to come to that environment. And you wonder why PvP or Uo is not what it once was,

    Cheating is what has been and continues to KILL UO.
     
  8. Guest

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    JC what is your youtube account name? so I can view some of your home movies [​IMG]

    NM I found it, but you don't have any PVP videos
     
  9. Guest

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    JC what is your youtube account name? so I can view some of your home movies [​IMG]

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    It isn't on Youtube. I am using Veoh now. They have much better quality and no file size restrictions.
     
  10. thechoppa

    thechoppa Guest

    I gave up a year ago. Both my accounts are inactive. Got the same frustrations about the same tactics and the same group on the same shard, for several years. I did as much as I could to help to put an end at theses cheating tactics.

    Ea will never see my money again unless they implement punkbuster or any additionnal software that would prevent organized cheating such as scripted cams, scripted double clienting, speedhacks, art modification and such.

    Good luck Link, but I would not hold my breath while waiting for Ea to fix this problem that has ben going on for 4+ years.
     
  11. Guest

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    The last time I discussed a moderators actions I got a warning. I suggest you remove that from your post.
     
  12. Guest

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    <blockquote><hr>

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    JC what is your youtube account name? so I can view some of your home movies [​IMG]

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    It isn't on Youtube. I am using Veoh now. They have much better quality and no file size restrictions.

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    got it thanks
     
  13. Guest

    Guest Guest

    Remember, not every PvPer is a cheat. EA needs to clean up the cheating in PvP, but it also needs to remember about our facet when it comes to improvement. Tram has cheats too, that doesn't stop it getting new content does it?

    Fel also needs adding interesting features to bring people into the Fel lands, along with the clean up. It's not just cheating that is killing Fel, it's also due to content/improvement starvation in favour of Tram ruleset facets.

    Wenchy
     
  14. Lug

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    These people you're talking about JC ARE the reason I no longer log into EA's UO.

    It's pretty sad how a small group of people can transfer to the largest and most active shard on EA's network and all champ spawning stops.

    No one wants to deal with these people due to their champ cams, exploits, speed hacks, client hacks and third party programs.

    The depressing thing about this group of teenage thugs is most of them have been banned in the past. Even if EA did ban them all again, they'd be right back in the game afk training up new chars.
     
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    Just a few months ago they transferred to another shard. Almost instantly things got 1000x better. Within a few weeks there were 3 major guilds of almost equal strength fighting every single night. Plus many upcoming smaller guilds, about a half dozen. But then this unsavory group of players returned with their cheating, scripting and hacking methods. Within a week two of the major guilds I just spoke about merged, another week they broke up and one transferred off Atlantic. The guild who stayed has been completely AWOL from Felucca for nearly a month now.

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    I have heard that the shard that the one group transferred to would like you to take them back! That shard doesn't want them either!

    Heh.
     
  16. Guest

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    1. Your thread was "Moved to a very special place for EA eye only."
    2. Apparently you know the rules - no names, yet you decided to break them - don't be surprised.
    3. Publicly discussing actions by the moderators is prohibited.

    As much as I hate cheaters...
    *click*
     
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