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I don't buy these bannings of innocent people

Discussion in 'UHall' started by Ender, Aug 2, 2008.

  1. Ender

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    If this many "innocent" people are being banned, it's not an accident, not even EA/Mythic would do something this stupid.
     
  2. canary

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    hahahahahahahahahahaha
     
  3. Black magick

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    Well, they did come up with AOS so...
     
  4. Uriah Heep

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    Nuff Said! :lol:
     
  5. While I am not taking either side (as I don't personally know any of the players who are involved), I do feel compelled to point out that mistaken, mass bannings have occured in the past - and on more than one occasion.

    I myself was 'perma-banned' (due to a coding glitch) a few years back. I had my houses taken away from me, and most of my guild left UO in protest. (Most of us were Companions or Counselors). I did not receive an email until over 48 hours after the fact...and didn't learn until then that I was perma-banned for 'stat-hacking". *laughs*

    Even with my high public profile and erstwhile connections, I was publicly accused of being a dubious piece of garbage - as obviously I had done something illegal and underhanded in order to warrant a PERMAban! (I hadn't)

    It took over a week to get it sorted. I think I died a little, waiting to have my name cleared.

    My point being: You just don't know with any certainty who the Bad Guys are, if you are not personally and intimately involved. Passing judgement from a safe and righteous distance serves no one at all...
     
  6. That was funny.
     
  7. Erekose

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    I am sure some unfortunate mistakes are made when these things go on. I'm also sure that not all of the people who claim to be innocent *are* innocent. Just ask any prison full of convicts; none of them did it! They were framed!

    It's unfortunate if (and it is an if, barring access to all the facts) innocent people have been banned but I also don't buy all the cries of innocence necessarily. I'm leaving that for EA to decide since my opinion doesn't matter with regards to it anyways. There IS mass duping going on and there ARE lots of people who script and otherwise break rules in order to enrich themselves. Just because they cry innocence doesn't make it so.

    That being said, I'm not making any accusations. I don't know any of the people who've been banned so I cannot and will not judge.
     
  8. love2winalot

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    That is so true. Only the person in question actually knows for sure. And, very often they might not know at all. The only way to be 100% sure, is do not buy anything. If you can not make it, or get it from a npc vender, or loot off a monster, then do not buy it. Hmmmm, Maybe this is why my charaters suck..........Oh, I know, Hey Dor, how do you do the stat hack again?????;)
     
  9. *laughs*

    It's pretty hard to duplicate, so I think that I can safely reveal the action that led to me getting banned:

    I answered a call in my queue, and went to assist a new player.

    That's it, all of it! :)

    (by the way, I didn't have a single mark on my account before that - I went from saint to scum, in one, fell swoop)
     
  10. HD2300

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    EA hardly bans anyone. Jeremy posted that they need absolute proof. So I am more inclined to believe that the self proclaimed innocent, arent innocent.

    However, it seems that many of the self proclaimed innocent have other accounts that havent been banned. So really what is the point, if they are still running around on their main accounts. Is it just a token PR show of banning a couple of holding accounts?
     
  11. nushpapa

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    HEllo HD havn't seen u in a while... i miss ocieana haaha but well i just refuse to come back to uo, not at the state it is at the moment. but yes it is all smoke screen, i believe the system is flawed and the gms have no power to do anything about it. They are just attempting to give people the false impression that all is being fixed but hey... they've had years to fix it and havn't so what news have they announced that make people believe they can fix it within the new few months?
     
  12. Krystal

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    Originally Posted by Black magick
    Well, they did come up with AOS so...


    so true lmao
     
  13. HD2300

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    Hey Nush. It was good times there 1.5 - 2yrs ago. It would have been even better if I was in the loop re. all the scandals. hahaaha.

    I reckon UO should be gold again in 1 or 2 yrs. Warhammer will be in maintenance mode, and they will shift some of the gun programmers to UO and revamp things.
     
  14. Restroom Cowboy

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    I didnt get banned for anything, but myself and a few others I know did have BOD books go poof today. No explanation given to any of us, but I can guarantee you that the only filled deeds I had were a few gold hammer deeds (3 to be exact) and perhaps 2-3 clothing bless deeds. I still have my book with 4 smalls and one large for a val hammer though, so I am a bit perplexed as to the reason the others just suddenly went *poof*.

    After having this happen today I can say with certainty that something is fuggered, so my guess is that there are proabably quite a few decent ppl that got the short end of the stick in one way or another.
     
  15. Maximus Neximus

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    Not sure if it's related, but I had a heartwood runic with one charge left and two ash runics. I cannot find any of the three anywhere. I only keep my tools in one of two places and they aren't anywhere and no one but me has access to the secured containers.
     
  16. nushpapa

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    I've lost all hope in UO HD lol, i have been following it since i have deactivated my ac**** (so no i have not been banned and crying about it i havn't played since about november 07) and well it seems to be getting worse.

    The developers are idiots in my opinion. They add new features to the game and don't even consider the consequences.

    For one GREATER DRAGONS.

    First a developer should thing why should we have them?
    - No new hard monsters have appeared... well none a normal tamer + others helping can't take on anyway. So no no reason for Greater Dragons

    Secondly what consequences does this have on other aspects of UO
    - Fuked up pvp from what i hear... i havn't seen it in action but i have played long enough that i can imagine what a dragon EVEN WITH 25% stonger and double the hp can have on the pvp community. I believe fireball does 60-70 damage? thats actually double a normal dragon. Sure thats for ppl with 60 fire resist? well unless u have chiv u can't remove curses so ur still fked.

    So pretty much the developers are just acting irrationally and adding in random things and PRAYING things goes all well. Nope obviously not so they try something else.. they fk up again and its just a vicious cycle.

    Hope to see some of u ocieanians in another game later... i don't believe uo will survive much longer. I'm not blaming the developers for the flaws that can't be fixed (im not sure what can or cannot be) but at least don't push the blame on to others or ruin the game more then it already is. Or even better rather then spending cash on UO 3d forgot the name was the one around blackthorn or watever or that crummy KR version... make a new uo.

    Thats what my hope is on a brand new uo... or a game by who cares another company that has a similar structure as uo. Better graphics obviously to lure newer generation gamers but still the same structure (birds eye view) none of this WOW Age of conan view crap which is hopeless. I started age of conan level 22.... too about a week.. and im already bored of it. WHy? because OLD uo has given me such high expectations of MMORPG. Its a shame uo was ruined.
     
  17. A.Entreri

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    how do you guys think they are deciding on who is getting banned? is it the people who have a ton a high-end runics, items, ect... or the people that have the high-end item(s) but those item have them same item i.d. (those that have not been laundered so to speak) or a combo of both? i'm not too savy on the tech side of the game. maybe they are banning soley on items that have the same i.d. as something else in-game and can be positively identified as duped.
     
  18. Lord Kotan

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    There was a mass banning recently?
     
  19. Sweety

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    I agree Nushpapa... Greater dragons are sooo unnecesary... Useless additions
    I think they should just go back to the times w/ no followers and when vanq weps were "The Best"

    Simplicity = Better
     
  20. Erekose

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    But...but...it wouldn't be Mages and Tamers Online if it were not for overpowered pets!
     
  21. Revenant2

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    I disagree.

    On the PVM side: champ spawn bosses were just beefed up. Tamers had practically no place in Fel champ spawns before, the best tank around was a Cu Sidhe and the mana to keep such a beast alive against those monsters wasn't worth having the pet there (not considering barracoon here, against which you can vet heal non-superdragon pets if you can get barracoon boxed in).

    On the PVP side:

    If tamers are intended to be a class that participates in everything that other classes can, with the same degree of power, safety, and ability, a pet like the Greater Dragon (complete with its vicious breath attack) was necessary.

    Can a tamer kill you with a superdragon if you don't treat the situation with the respect it deserves? Yep. Can a necromage do the same to someone? yep. How about a DP dexer?

    I don't have a problem with that breath attack in PVP that some people keep complaining about. All it means is that you, as someone who wants to kill a tamer, cannot run up thinking that you are Mr. Rambo the Necro Mage or, Ms. Supergirl the Archer, and think that you can stand next to a tamer with their dragon and just kill them without care.

    If you think you can make a serious effort to kill a tamer, standing there long enough to almost succeed and then run your ass off to save your own life (considering pets do not run at mounted speed) and expect it to work every single time, the chance of that breath attack coming at the wrong time is what makes that situation dangerous for you.

    The breath attack works into things just fine, and I think the implementation as it is right now is nice. I say that from the perspective of having a tamer + other PVP chars with which I have to try and kill tamers (and sometimes succeed).

    I wanna tameable rend (hehe! half joking here, half not). Or, it would sure be neat if they re-implemented the reptilion so that it properly rivaled the cu sidhe. Reptilons flap their wings and stuff, and thus look interesting. We would need Pads of the Reptilon or something so that elf tamers can ride one (we tamers are mostly elves since Cu Sidhes have been the hot item and not reptilons).
     
  22. nushpapa

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    DOuble bake's for pvp? massive mana dumpers + you on a horse? not good enoguh for u? bakes dun even require all that much skill to control.. if ur lucky to have a 1:3 decent jewel with + skill... u can be maybe a ninja tamer warrior.. all attack wolf form attack with a fireball or lighting weapon... gg in a few seconds.

    Well champ spawns weren't meant to be for solo like they used to be... not sure if they still can be havn't played in a while. And for those mega champs u use a bushido warrior as a tank... pets r damagers... A tiny bit of extra challenge and that calls for a supremely overpowered dragon? why not give magery a lvl 9 spell thats insta kill but takes 10 seconds to cast? Protection ---> 12 seconds seeing thats how people believe additions should be made.

    DUn say u can't cramp all that into a template i had a Ninja (even after ds was nerfed to require hide) tactics poison chiv dexxer.

    - All kill... Chase with a kryss with lighting strike ---- AI (30 damage + chance of 11 damage lighting)... spam spam spam with bakes chasing gg... seeing my ninja was 120... cut to minimum for wolf form and bump hi hide again.... Hide - bola - wolf form/smoke bomb remount - chase to death.... tamers needed no addition in pvp at all u just had to be creative with ur templates which half the whiners arn't creative enough to make.

    One template - my final creation b4 i quit uo lol (was nuts 4:6 chiv healing with ds/ai/poison spamming)...
    120 ninja
    100 hide
    80 tactics
    120 fencing
    105 chiv
    80 poison
    120 resist

    sumthing a long the lines of that... now modify add taming cut out some chiv/ninja... cut out tactics all together.. add in taming/lore... walla theres ur template... lol maybe i just created u tamers another gimp template but meh.

    FYI u only need 10-20 dex if u use a 2 second weapon with lighting bcz its fast enough lol... so yes u can dump everything onto int and str... think outside the box with ur template and u can create 100s of new templates people have never seen b4... there was no need fo stupid **** like greater dragons

    cut out maybe poison and hide u put in taming.. walla same as b4.... u have a tactics dexxer with 2 bakes... good luck to those u chase


    All they r doing it making life easier for the braindead people who play uo. They can't think outside the box so they require something that is a 1 button macro.
     
  23. Sarphus

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    news flash. This thread is actually about bannings of "innocent people"

    Just thought you might like to know.
     
  24. Dermott of LS

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    EVeryone is innocent, just ask the people in prison.
     
  25. Ender

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    Yeah, just like in Shawshank (awesome movie by the way) :p
     
  26. nushpapa

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    Im just expanding on this topic... how what they r doing is rubbish... if they ban innocents (sure some r in the crossfire) you r just makign things worse... just like everything else the devs do... they r being payed to kill uo.

    If they ban someone at least e-mail with an explenation... suspend and say ur account is under investigation rather then just banning. They act with no notice nothing. They expect people to live according to their laws.. but when it comes to justice they r GOD
     
  27. THP

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    I Honestly think the end as come...............

    Ive seen the brokers drop gold to a jaw dropping $0,50 per mill..thats 0.25pence uk price!!! as they fight each other for the ''greed'' to get rid of the umpteen gold mountains!!! were will it end...well i will tell u 1 cent per millo!! harsh but true... these brokers will end our game as we know it!!!!!!!!!!!
     
  28. nushpapa

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    THP i honestly hope u r correctly lol. THen maybe someone out there will make a new LESS FLAWED UO like game... I can't wait!