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I dont Get It, maybe never will...

Discussion in 'UHall' started by Guest, Mar 11, 2008.

  1. Guest

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    Most games equal classes so you dont have a 120 mage running around casting fireballs for 30 dmg.

    BUT not UO, I have 120 archery, with 70 resist and a 120 Mage can cast nothing but firballs on me before I get 3 shots off... EVEN with a 50 ssi magic short bow

    now thats a load of bull, I came back to UO becuase I used to love the PvP in this game and now you got people who made a new character two hours ago and cant even cast gate but can spam regular heal and hold out against 4 people.

    I know no one will listen to me but how many think the different classes arnt equal in the slightest bit and maybe it should be changed to make PvP more fair and equal? And get rid of the ssi and faster casting BS all together.
     
  2. Thats the point, there are no classes in this game.
    You build your own character however you please.
    If you choose to put camping, fishing, animal lore, begging, taste id, and forensic eval, you will die 99% to a guy with just swordsmanship...

    If you are not satisfied with your template, change it. Switch out one skill for another. Thats the beauty of UO, you are not stuck in a class, you make what you want. And not all two skills are equal at pvp... camping will lose against archery everyday...
     
  3. Tomas_Bryce

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    Vyal you are doing something wrong. Either you can quit in frustration or embrace the challenge to figure out what it is. That is what UO is and always has been.
     
  4. Guest

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    I do agree to an extent. PVP is truly unbalanced in this game or should I say there are things for each template that are so cheap and ridiculous that PVP has lost most of it's quality.

    Examples:

    1. Pots chugging with bandages going and any 3rd way to heal.
    Result? Makes your character practically invincible no matter how badly you are out numbered.

    2. Paralyze/energy field ganking.
    Result? You get to stand around and wait to die while stuck in fields being hit from a distance by one or more (usually) people then after you die must wait further to go get a rez.

    Just the 2 most common and annoying I can think of right away. But I feel they are excellent examples of things that need to go if PVP is ever going to improve.
     
  5. get a good bow and spam moving shot while they run away, that seems to work on me at least
     
  6. wth kind of fireballs are those? mine do like 12 damage to 50-60 fire resist and i have 115 eval 100 scribe and max sdi.
     
  7. Guest

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    if thats Vyal from Legends he is mad cause my 120 mage/eval with max sdi was hitting him for 28 firballs.
     
  8. Stigmatas

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    Pot chugging is not unbalanced for peet sake. They been in the game for 10 years and are a viable option for cures and heals. Solution: get your own pots and use them.

    A smart player has pots on them at all times, and macros to use them.
     
  9. Redxpanda

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    Looks like its faster casting and faster cast recovery for the win.
     
  10. davebobbit

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    A smart player has pots on them at all times, and macros to use them.

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    Can this be done using just the 2d interface?
     
  11. Azmira Zalof

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    Yeah, with UOA.

    Don't mind stigmatas, he doesn't PvP. Last I read, he doesn't enter Felucca either.
     
  12. Guest

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    Pot chugging is not unbalanced for peet sake. They been in the game for 10 years and are a viable option for cures and heals. Solution: get your own pots and use them.

    A smart player has pots on them at all times, and macros to use them.

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    Oh yeah they been in the game for years BEFORE 50% enhance pots rings BEFORE chiv heals with bandage AND crazy enhanced pots BEFORE bushido and all the other things that make them overpowered NOW.

    When someone goes into animal form and runs bandages while chugging pots and using any other skill to heal they choose it becomes ridiculous especially with enhance pots jewels on. Still don't believe me? Go on test center and try it you can run circle through groups of people and never come close to getting killed.

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    Yeah, with UOA.

    Don't mind stigmatas, he doesn't PvP. Last I read, he doesn't enter Felucca either.

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    Yeah I would say it's obvious.
     
  13. ake

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    why you don't start to use your brain... get some skills as player! ...why he did 28 with a fireball *crying* ...why you get stuck into parafields *crying*

    have these guys and half idea how to play on felly? plz 2click on ur valentine teddy bear and stay on trammel or show some balls to learn from your mistake!

    don't be surprise if ppl laught of you...
     
  14. Guest

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    He said balls....hehehe. [​IMG]
     
  15. Goldberg-Chessy

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    "Pot chugging is not unbalanced for peet sake. They been in the game for 10 years and are a viable option for cures and heals. Solution: get your own pots and use them.

    A smart player has pots on them at all times, and macros to use them"
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    Well said.

    Pots are just another longtime aspect of the game that some people are just too uninformed or lazy to take advantage of. Pot enhance rings are no different then sdi enhance items. Deal with it.
    And instead of just accepting that they are going into battle ill-equipped these people then decide to rant. My favorite are the mages that cry about pot-chugging warriors yet when you loot that same mage he has about 100 Gcures on his corpse. But thats okay. Because they will then whine about dp weapons. Funny how pots can be gimp &amp; not gimp at the same time.
     
  16. Guest

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    He said balls....hehehe. [​IMG]

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    lol
     
  17. You're making one CRITICAL mistake. You're treating UO as a class-based game. It isn't.

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  18. Guest

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    If fireballs are hitting you for 30 damage, I would say, the first thing you need to address is your fire resist. A fireball should do, maybe 18 max, get your fire resist up to at least 60 prefereably 70, it is the most important resist against mages.
     
  19. Guest

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    you mention 70 resist..is that 'resist spells'? because if it is, that's irrelevant. Spell resist offers no protection against fireball.

    What are the resists on your armour? That's what you need to be looking at.
     
  20. WarUltima

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    First of all, I wish my 120eval/Gm scrible mage w/ 15 sdi can throw fireball for 30 damage to anyone with 60 fire resist. I dont know how the hell you managed to get hit by fireball for 30 dmg maybe you are naked?
     
  21. Stigmatas

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    rtlfc

    He could have been corpse skinned.

    NERF NECROS

    He could have chugged gheals.

    NERF POTS!

    He could have his own enhance pot jewels.

    NERF JEWELS!

    It never ends.

    As far as pvp'ing goes, no I'm no expert, but I will guarantee I was pvp'ing before half these jack hoo's around here ever were, and I can hold my own when I do go to Fel, unless I'm getting ganked of course.

    And 10 years ago it was the same story.

    Pots are ov3rpowered!

    It never ends.

    What surprises me is that more people don't whine about curse. For a low level spell, it does a lot. That never sat well with me, but hey, I'll keep using it till until it's changed.

    I won't whine about it constantly though. I think I'll find ways around it. Yep.
     
  22. Guest

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    "Pot enhance rings are no different then sdi enhance items."
    Except for there is a Cap on SDI for PvP, which is 15%, and SDI doesn't affect damage healed. There's no difference in the PvP/PvM cap for EP and EP does affect damage healed.

    Should of seen my Nox Mage with GM Alch and 120% EP before they capped it. A Greater Explosion Potion did at least 50 damage to a person in all 70s, and i could hit groups of people with them. Most damage i did with one was 68. Me and another person with a similar setup once "instantly" killed a group of 5 people by us readying the pots, waiting until they got to 1 sec, and throwing them into the group. The people were dead before they even knew what hit them. Kind of like the old Des Corp Del trick with 2 Mages with Glacial Staffs, although that could only "instantly" kill 1 person at a time and consumed all of the mage's Mana.
    Greater Heal Pots also healed 50s-60s damage on my Nox Mage with 120% EP

    EP is now capped at 50% for chars without Alch, and capped at 80% for char's with GM Alchemy. Can still heal quite a bit of damage on my Nox Mage with a Greater Heal pot. Can still do quite a bit of damage with a Greater Explosion pot too, considering for every 5.0 Points of Alchemy you have, Explosion Pots do 1 more damage, for +20 at GM Alchemy.
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  23. SouthernRageLNR

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    <blockquote><hr>

    Most games equal classes so you dont have a 120 mage running around casting fireballs for 30 dmg.

    BUT not UO, I have 120 archery, with 70 resist and a 120 Mage can cast nothing but firballs on me before I get 3 shots off... EVEN with a 50 ssi magic short bow

    now thats a load of bull, I came back to UO becuase I used to love the PvP in this game and now you got people who made a new character two hours ago and cant even cast gate but can spam regular heal and hold out against 4 people.

    I know no one will listen to me but how many think the different classes arnt equal in the slightest bit and maybe it should be changed to make PvP more fair and equal? And get rid of the ssi and faster casting BS all together.

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  24. Guest

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    Ok so if your a straight archer, with the best suit you can have 70 70 70 70 70 50 max hci, max dex, and a great bow... But you get a mage running around you constant disarms and pot chugging its stupid. I used to Play when it was all FEL and we had a blast no matter what sorta of template you had it was generally all balanced out. You say people are whining but guess what this games PvP is really unbalanced. You say it isn't a class based game, tell that to the Legendary archers or Legendary Swordsmen, its not like we have the option of putting magery on our skills list. But I want to tell you something there are people out there who use those [censored] pot chugging scripts, JUST AS BAD AS UOA !! If you ask me someone from EA came up with UOA and said heck ya lets keep thsi legal and ban all those people using pvp scripts so we can make an extra 15 bucks per sale. Anyways I have watched someone run around 15 people getting flamestriked, ebolted, arrows in the back of their skull, legs hacked of from swordsmen, and poisoned to the point the should be dead and turned into ash BUT whats this they still have 80% health running around people going KIDS, KIDS, KIDS, I win UO, you all suck.... NOW what the heck? Later I reported and she goes I wasnt cheating I was just using UOA and chugging pots, healing, then she goes and look here 50% enhance potion jewelry..

    Please people its unfair and really dumb I can only PvP when certain people arnt around now becuase of how lame it is when they are, being able to take on the whole shard becuase of it. But you guys are right its totaly not unbalanced and completly fair huh?
     
  25. <blockquote><hr>


    All i got to say is
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    gyahahahahaha
     
  26. <blockquote><hr>

    Vyal you are doing something wrong. Either you can quit in frustration or embrace the challenge to figure out what it is. That is what UO is and always has been.

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    right
    only you can pick what to do.

    try toggling war mode maybe ?
     
  27. <blockquote><hr>

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    He said balls....hehehe. [​IMG]

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    lol

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    grin
     
  28. <blockquote><hr>

    I used to Play when it was all FEL and we had a blast no matter what sorta of template you had it was generally all balanced out.

    [/ QUOTE ]you mean when everyone ran hally-mage because it was so overpowered?
    Sorry lrn2ply.
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    You say it isn't a class based game, tell that to the Legendary archers or Legendary Swordsmen, its not like we have the option of putting magery on our skills list.

    [/ QUOTE ]Ummm, I have magery on one of my archers... I didn't realize i was breaking a rule.


    And- anyone can use pots. So it is impossible to claim they are unblananced. EVERY template, no matter what the skills, not matter what the race, can use pots. Thus it is impossible to cry that they are unbalanced. Unbalanced against what!?!??!?!?!?! lol.
     
  29. Guest

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    Alot of people dont use pots becuase they consider it really stupid when people chug. Im saying for one of the oldest MMO's I know you would think it would have better more balanced PvP system. And it really doesn't - I don't know why I even play but I can't stop [​IMG] ArchLord PvP is soooo much better and its a free 3d MMO with more players and here I am playing UO becuase of old friends.

    I would really like to see improvements tho, i'm not posting for the kiddies to ramble about I know my stuff buddy, I have played dang near every mmo out just to test them. And on scale of things I give UO's PvP like a 6 out of 10
    and the PvM is fun but the games lack of things to do in Tram is also a bit stupid for being one of the oldest mmo's out. Take EverQuest for example, thousands of quests, not random stuff like bring me fix fish and a ball of yarn thats stupid I know 14 year olds using free mmorpg makers coming up with better stuff then that. It's stuff like go do this bring a letter there escort a person there get a fragment of something do a lil something else kill this get another something figure out a puzzle then get a reward, a nice named item thats worth the time of doing it. Rather then doing UO quests, I have maybe done 4 since 97 becuase they are stupid and CAN EASILY BE SCRIPTED! to do BODS and anything else.

    Now im just hoping a UO dev reads this and checks out how other games are going, no offense EA but I bet a group of 14 year olds could honestly come up with something better then UO matter a fact I know they could ive seen it done.


    Ooo and to the guy who has magery on his archer, I bet the guy totally sucks man. I bet I could kill him in maybe one and a half hits:/
     
  30. RAEL of LS

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    Thats the point, there are no classes in this game.
    You build your own character however you please.

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    To go one step further...

    The essence of pvp these days is to try to find a combination of skills that tops all others... It just depends on what skills have been nerfed lately... That and items... Without the items to match your skills, weaknesses and strengths you havent got a chance... a newb player will find it hard to deal with a heavily experienced vet, no matter what skills they choose...

    If ya get owned its probably your own fault... It aint cos someone is cheating... 9 times out of 10 its because you suck...

    I have seen peeps complaining here for many years... "these skills are over powered" and "my skills cant compete" "Nerf this!" Nerf that!"... It is because people were unable to adapt to what was happening to them in the game on thier own that we now have the mess we call UO... (or what I affectionately call... You Owe... )

    You have as many slots as I do to make new characters... make one that can compete... do some research... try things out on friends... adjust your playstyle... what ever it takes...
    but...
    Dont drag out the nerf hammer because you choose not to adapt...

    RAEL of LS
     
  31. Guest

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    EVEN with a 50 ssi magic short bow

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    Is it possible to get 50 ssi on a magical short bow? I thought dryad bow was the only one with more then 40% ssi.

    You also only need 88 stamina with a 40% SSI bow to swing at max 1.25sps. Thats as fast, maybe faster then him casting fireball. Not to mention you can get fireball/magic arrow on your weapon to have that change to fizzle two of his spells. All while you stand there and shoot.

    And if curse/corpseskin bothers you, raise your karma, and pick up 55 chivalry for no fail remove curse. Its really annoying to a mage.
     
  32. It's possible to get 60+ SSI on any type of weapon. You can get 35 SSI from suit alone (granted, you have to find the balance... a 35% SSI suit limits your other mods)
     
  33. WarUltima

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    Isnt ssi capped at 50?