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I don't think they thought through the academic books enough

Discussion in 'UHall' started by Kojak, Dec 19, 2008.

  1. Kojak

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    if it's true that it's a level 8 stealable, that means about 12 full bookcases per year - for an item that's in enormous demand for rune libraries which typically have about a 100 of those bookshelves for decoration, that's just an unacceptably low number of possible full bookshelves

    someone up there at headquarters totally dropped the ball on this one

    they should make it a level 1 stealable - 2 at the most and sprinkle that entire area with spawn spots for it

    level 8 ... really? (too much crack smoking going on up there at HQ)
     
  2. Petra Fyde

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    Is my chart wrong then? I have level 8 as spawning every 8 days:

    Rarity 1 - 90mins
    Rarity 2 - 3hrs
    Rarity 3 - 6hrs
    Rarity 4 - 12hrs
    Rarity 5 - 24hrs
    Rarity 6 - 48hrs
    Rarity 7 - 96hrs (4 days)
    Rarity 8 - 192hrs (8 days)
    Rarity 9 - 384hrs (16 days)
    Rarity 10 - 768hrs (32 days)
    Rarity 11 - 1536hrs (64 days)
    Rarity 12 - 3072hrs (128 days)
     
  3. Wenchkin

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    I'm surprised they haven't used the existing doom books and given them a purpose. I don't know if a filled bookcase is such an uber thing that you'd wait for a re-spawn in 8 days. Though I wouldn't mind waiting as much if I didn't think someone might setup a script or that the demand would mean few would get a chance at crafting said shelves?

    Think I'll go out and accost a few monsters and rob them instead teehee.

    Wenchy
     
  4. Kojak

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    petra - i read in someone else's post that level 8 is a month and i didn't bother to take the time to look up the time in the chart - sorry
     
  5. Hoffs

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    As far as we know they will still be available as part of the 11th anniversary collection. This would presumably just be a bonus way of getting them.
     
  6. Calla Lily

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    I doubt my crafter will be able to get the special items for the hitching posts and the filled bookcases unless she buys them :( My library will have to stay as it is for now. With this and the new seeds only available from monsters, they've made it impossible for pure crafters and gardeners to do their jobs without relying on a warrior to get the parts, especially since the new plants don't give seeds. It doesn't seem to make much sense.
     
  7. Petra Fyde

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    heh, no worries, I'm getting it all wrong too. I understood they were in the peerless area, becaise the picture I saw showed the library area and the peerless info talks about librarians and library keys. I don't know Bedlam at all and now I'm told it's accessed through the champ area, which is the other side of the dungeon and down instead of up! So until I find further info I haven't a clue how you get to where they spawn!
     
  8. Hinotori

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    I was down looking for slimes and saw the books. Had to do a fast quest ingredient gathering so my thief could get in and steal them. I can't bring myself to use the books to make a book case though with the rarity 8 on them. I do have the happy knowledge that I got the first ones to spawn on Chessy, though.

    They spawn down in the Crypt in the Champ Spawn area. On the South side by the book cases.
     
  9. Petra Fyde

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    I got there! on Europa - books are already gone, heheh, obviously! died twice getting in, and couldn't have got them anyway, I didn't realise you needed to steal them. My thief is down in a dungeon where she's been practising her pickpocket skills.
     
  10. Hinotori

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    I have to admit I didn't even try and pick them up. It said Artifact Level 8 and I assumed. The char I had down there looking for slimes was quite dead at the time so I just took down the thief.
     
  11. FrejaSP

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    You forget one thing, it is a multi player game, interact do keep UO alive.
    The hard part for the devs is to make it so the PvM'er will sell the items to the crafters instead of using their own mule.

    To make that happen, it have to be to complicated or to time eating for the mules to make the stuff.

    Devs failed that with the peerless resources, hope they will do better in the future.

    With the plants, you will need to id the seed and you will need to store the seed you don't want to grow right now.

    The hunters may get the resurces to id the seed, but I still hope they will sell the seed they don't want to the gardeners. Not many have the patience to grow plants.

    Not sure how to fix the problem with peerless resources but there have to be a way to stop the mules from making items from them.
     
  12. Petra Fyde

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    Calla Lily, there are warriors out there who would like nothing better than a purpose to go hunt stuff other than to get gold they don't really need. Have you tried a post on your shard board asking if anyone would be prepared to get some for you?

    You can also offer trade rather than gold.
     
  13. MalagAste

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    You all are forgetting that these books are sooo very rare that every script running, stealth stealer will be down there scripting to get the books and like most of the other decent stealable artifacts the "average" joe Q player will never have a snowballs chance in hades to get one.....

    THAT is what I think stinks..... I don't care that much about a hitching post but at least Joe Q player can actually get one of those if they work at it......

    As for the books I'm guessing I'll have to pony up a bunch of funds for that and just buy tokens.... Which I find rather irritating.....

    My guess is the 100's of us with libraries that have been dreaming of having a filled bookcase will just have to keep dreaming.
     
  14. Mustarik

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    I wouldn't mind it so much if the Level 8 rare were used to create a special bookcase, but a standard bookcase that NPCs have had for years should simply require boards + books. I don't see the need to turn the acquisition of common, everyday objects into a major quest (or in this case, impossible to obtain without scripting).
     
  15. Cyrah

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    Yes, it is like hey you get these finally and nooooooo, you have no chance of ever getting one... lol

    Hey, there had to be some cost for getting neat Christmas gifts. When one thing is good, another will not be. That is UO.


    As for hiring a warrior, oh yea good idea, most warriors are also thieves.
     
  16. Wenchkin

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    I'd have rather they either used the existing Doom stealable books, even all of them a few times over would be do-able. Or make a better quest that everyone has a fair chance at. This just smells like a scripter's dream, and the last thing we need now is any incentive for players to cheat. If we lack anything it's the real incentive not to cheat :D

    Wenchy
     
  17. Topsy Krett

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    Where are these books located exactly?
     
  18. Mustarik

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    Somewhere in Bedlam. One of the other threads has a picture. Unfortunately, by now, it's surely "stolen" and you have to wait the 8 days for another.

    Given that, at most, 46 will spawn per annum, it's a rather ridiculous production rate for a highly-desired item that has no value outside of aesthetics.
     
  19. Exactly in Umbra, Bedlam dungeon.
    Exactly left after entering you will see the graveyard with a small little building that seems to be a crypt building. Inside is steps that lead to the area below. There are two bookshelf areas here, one north in the middle of this area, the other exactly south of that one. Choose the southern one it spawns in that area. In the middle of this area is a champ spawn alter, something that could possibly occupy your free time while waiting the 8 days for book to respawn. (lame idea IMO)

    Goodluck.:thumbup:
     
  20. Aboo

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    Yea if they would ever let us know when WE might get them, I believe Jeremy said we would get them approximately 30 days after Japan released them and they got them November 13th I believe. I keep hoping they might actually tell us something this week because as it is, I doubt there is any way I will be able to get the books to make any bookcases. :sad3:
     
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    If it's highly desired it doesn't need a purpose outside of aesthetics to have value. Given that they could have simply made it a stealable, having it as a craftable requiring a stealable ingredient seems like a step in a direction many of us have wanted.

    It is a little odd that they chose to add new books rather than making use of the books already in the game. I'd like to see there be a potential "sink" for every item in the game - the hitching post definitely goes in that direction. I guess that since these were a paid-for item in Japan, they wanted to make sure the game didn't get flooded with them.
     
  22. Mustarik

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    As I mentioned above, if it was a special bookcase, completely new, with new graphics (or merely a different color), etc. I would be happy with it being hard to obtain, as a token of achievement and accomplishment. A Level 8 stealable, in a difficult to get-to location, would be acceptable to me for this purpose (assuming at some future point the devs make stealables less scripter-friendly).

    A common, everyday bookcase, of which every back-woods NPC owns multiples thereof, should in no way be difficult to acquire. There's no justification for it being rare. It's a bookcase, not Dr. Frankenstein's private library or somesuch.

    And I repeat, it has no value outside of Aesthetics. You can't slay monsters with it, you can't ride it, you don't gain skill bonuses with it. That's what I meant, it's for looks only. Maybe I should have used use value or intrinsic value, I never was any good with Marx. It does have exchange value, I'll grant you that, due solely to its rarity.
     
  23. Wenchkin

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    It's just a shame we've got a time delay rather than something that's just hard to accomplish. Something that can't be scripted either. That, more than anything else annoys me here, because the devs are capable of much better :(

    The only upside is all those players who said cheating didn't harm UO, might think otherwise if they're gathered round for the next book spawn and a scripter beats them to it.

    If this isn't a cunning bot trap, it ought to be ;)

    Wenchy
     
  24. Tuferon

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    And I was sooo looking forward to having something for my crafters too! My vendors have been down for over a year unable to make anything really profitable to sell with the low foot traffic.
    Oh well....still hanging and hoping SA will be worth staying around for. It's been 10 years, met hubby here...he's playin' WOW but keeping UO accts...we remain ever hopeful, but this special ingredients thing (AGAIN!) is a bummer. What use is a GM skill anyway??????
     
  25. o2bavr6

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    Not to worry my good people!!

    Everyone knows that there will be plenty around for everyone once they start duping them :lick:
     
  26. Deb

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    :sad4::sad4:
    Can someone please explain why this item has been made so rare and
    not just a craftable? I do not understand the rarity.:sad4:
     
  27. Lord Kotan

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    Where do those books spawn?
     
  28. UOKaiser

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    These things are so rare that I will welcome a mass influx of them on the market so people can get a chance to have what every one was waiting for so long.
     
  29. I said the very same thing early before the patch revealed the item needed
     
  30. in bedlam I read in this very thread the location so click on the #1 and read thru the thread.

    Still As Maple said I cannot understand why a new book had to put in and made an artifact 8 as well, what was wrong with the FOUR BOOKS you can steal in Doom?

    Surely those could have been used and given more folks a chance to get Filled bookcases. Instead we now have to have one location in Bedlam to get the book and we will have to wait 8 days between stealing it and I bet every dang thief on the shard will be camping it. I think it sucks!
     
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    I think they thought it through just fine... if they are going to sell them for rl cash too that is. So you can choose to try and get one every 8 days or just buy it. Seems to me they're taking cues from scripters on this item. I wonder why they made the hitching posts so much easier to get? Can you fail to craft and loose the books? I forgot to look at the min skill required for them.
     
  32. Well I have not used the empty bookcase in years, hated the sight of them when the Libraries all had filled books, since the birth of the elf race I have used the elf one for my storage needs since they look so good. Guess I just keep using those till they get their heads out of the 5th contact.
     
  33. Flora Green

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    That won't bother me one bit. This entire manner of having a level 8 stealable that takes days to spawn for a most requested item is stupid. Instead of giving a use to the often trashed or dumped at Luna bank Doom books, they do this. One step forward....

    I don't have a library, but I can see how frustrating this is for those who do and for people who want to craft these.
     
  34. I went to uo.com and sent in a neg feedback report, stated that the four books we fine in Doom should have been used for this.
     
  35. J0KING

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    Ok... I was really happy about the bookcase... but after reading this I am very, very, very, sad...

    By making the rare ingredient a stealable you have shut out a really large portion of the players... I know from being a doom thief...

    Between myself and another thief we had the dungeon pretty much locked down that other players were getting annoyed... It wasnt any cheat, it is a matter of knowing the spawn time, a little mathmatics, and plenty of time...

    I really think the suggestions posted above is a really good options... Have it be a rare drop or some sort of quest...
     
  36. GarthGrey

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    Whatever you say dude..
     
  37. Wenchkin

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    Well he was telling the truth, you get to know the timers and you work them. Some folks worked Doom like that while the rest of us didn't know the times and thus couldn't know when they'd pop. Which is why I really dislike this level 8 ingredient, because it allows a few players to get a chance, cashing in big time, when instead we could have gotten a quest to run that also involved the existing common books. It's going to be a long time before the average player will get a chance at these bookshelves, which are merely shelves with books on them. Nuts!

    I get the feeling EA are once again trying to cash in on players forking out RL cash in their shop, which is low considering folks don't have a ton of spare cash right now.

    Wenchy
     
  38. Lucy of Kenton

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    agree with wenchy. also it means the pheromone is far more common thought when you are hunting them it doesnt seem so as they dont drop often.
     
  39. phantus

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    To truly express my disgust for this implementation I would be going against the ToS. Suffice to say, this is one of the biggest epic fails I have seen this game add in a long time.
     
  40. Babble

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    Don't underestimate them.
    I know a friend with 2 others spent days, each in 8 hour shifts at the hammer spawn.
    Crazy bastards waited 2-3 days until it spawned and I think got the rares for the first 3-4 months, as they knew the approximate respawn time.
     
  41. Alvinho

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    the fire rabbit drops it's pharamone every so often, has ANYONE worked the bedlam champ to see if the champ dieing triggers new books to spawn?
     
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    I'll be buying the bookcase, because this will turn into what hunting the Ruined Painting or Inquis is.

    If they don't make it available to us, I'll try to transfer to get them... if I can't find them, I just won't have them, I guess.

    It's really sad that they got everyone's hope up.
     
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    Have you found one this way yourself Alvinho?

    That's not nearly so bad if you can get one from the rabbit. The rabbit will be camped to hell but it will eventually die down. There was some talk in the rabbit thread that apparently the academic books drop of the fire rabbit as a rare drop in tokuno on mt sho. This is good news. Not perfect but it's at least an acceptable alternative to the once a month spawning.
     
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    People... just wait a few months and the dupers will make these cheap and available to all...

    anyway, I agree that the this was poorly implemented. I've never agreed with the idea of having "time tables" for when items spawned were stealable... there should be triggers that allow things such as this to respawn (I really liked the idea of completing the bedlam champ forces a respawn) and if no one forces the respawn... then it will auto-spawn when timer is up.

    Having just timers... is lame.
     
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    Maybe after they see the demand and the lack of ability to fix it in this limited way they might open up an extra spawn location or two. Better to ere on this side maybe?

    Both of these new craftable items are a boon to crafters that want to sell the items they can make. We go on and on about how there is no crafting love in the market, and yet we come unglued when we can't, unaided, fill all of our needs and desires ourselves.
     
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    I'll happily run myself ragged for these items, but the timer isn't work. It's scripter bait. It plays into the hands of those players who will greedily camp that item with bots and sell the shelves at a grossly inflated price. It won't help crafting, the crafter who is waiting on a friendly thief to snatch those books will be waiting a long time. It'll help the greedy vultures who always come out the woodwork for these events. Normal players won't get near the books for bots :( I swear I get more angry the more I post in this thread, this is a decor item we've asked for for years, but implemented in a way that ensures we'll wait years more to see them regularly stocked on a vendor. We're all supposed to wait till 1 shelf can be created in another 8 days, per shard? Even on a low population shard, that spawn rate is stupid. And who will sell their crafted shelves when they have no idea if or when they'll get a chance to make another?

    Wenchy
     
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