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I found Bless Deeds for 2 Million

Discussion in 'UHall' started by RavenWinterHawk, Oct 24, 2011.

  1. Well... I found them for 2 million on those naked vendors on those small houses in the middle of nowhere.

    I guess we need a clean up to turn in the recent glut of clean up items.


    Another idea killed by a loop hole.

    Could we just get a plan old gold sink? 1 million a spin and you get a chance for items or you get nothing.

    I don't think you can mess that up.


    Players would need to sell stuff for gold and then drop 1 million to spin a prize wheel.

    Presto... you cleaned up stuff, removed gold, gave a prize.
     
  2. Ahuaeyjnkxs

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    And you have a senior programmer running a gambling operation where people can put in real money (through brokers) to paraticipate to your lottery...

    Have you been listening at all ?
     
  3. I hope your kidding me. Argh!

    I can see the bust now. Programmer creates wheel of hair dyes and goes to jail for gambling racketeering.

    And 100's of people are suddenly going to join UO for a crack at an elixir of metamorph and cloak of ying and yang.
     
  4. THP

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    they should have reverted 5 full days when the exploit was revealed but alas they did not have the bollocks.....and the result is....the good folk are hand shanked by the dupers/exploiters/cheaters once again....sucks...but the devs could have sorted it but chose to roll over and turn a blind eye..
     
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    Bless deeds for 2 mil... And this is bad how? Forgive my ignorance, but enlighten me please. I am closing accounts and clearing houses, I have well over 8 mil points to spend and aren't even thru! So it wouldnt matter to me if the deeds were 50 mil each or 25k each *shrugs*
    But unless someone was sitting on a stash or previously duped and stored for later on, or spend billions of gps dropping checks into a can hoping to control the market, how is that bad?
     
  6. Its great if your buying them for gold today.

    Its bad because the masses and masses of deeds were obtained by a loop hole so to speak.

    The original deeds were 100,000 and valued at 10 million. Those players that spent their hard earned points and time on getting them the fair way are seeing value diminished.

    Not duped but exploited. All the Spring Ticket stuff is going to be quite cheap. Almost like what was the point.

    I was lucky and sold most of my turn in stuff early. But many people worked hard to get points to get the high end stuff and soon you will see a glut of items.

    Im just saying to simplify this whole turn in process and keep things simple. Get a spin of a wheel and be done with it.

    And the market has been controlled and people are sitting on lots of stuff. Spend your 8 million points wisely.
     
  7. elianydd

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    Umm, no. A 5-day revert and I would quit. The one thing that I have regardless of whatever else happens, is the time and effort I have put into leveling my skills, gathering items, etc. A "revert" takes that away from me and undoes my REAL-WORLD effort into this game.

    Certainly normal players always suffer because of the actions of cheaters, but I fail to see how ERASING FIVE DAYS worth of play-time from EVERY honest, non-cheating player out there would be BETTER than whatever we may have now.

    Besides, I hear all this talk about a glut of bless deeds or whatever, and how awful and ruined the game is. Know what? If I hadn't read about it here in the forums, I wouldn't even know anything had happened. So far -- and I almost feel guilty saying this -- it HASN'T AFFECTED MY ENJOYMENT OF THE GAME AT ALL.

    A 5-day wipe? Oh, yeah. That'd be time to pack it in and move along to another game.
     
  8. I always wonder why it so hard to find the account the copied copied copied turned in...

    Like how hard is it to find the account that is repeating the same task 10000 times.

    Till that day comes. Consider another event busted. What till you start seeing the new armours for 5 million a set.
     
  9. The game isnt ruined just an event. That event may or may not make your game play. My point is a lot of time was spent by the devs to set it up and a small glitch pretty much has made all the items worthless goldwise.

    Its like creating an event to turn in items to decrease the masses of stuff in game but an exploit allows you to produce points for free and bring 1000's of things into the game.
     
  10. Uriah Heep

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    Well parts of this I can dig, but parts of it I can't worry about. Turnins for a reduction of stress on the servers, yeah I can see that. But I can't see worrying about them not selling for 10 mil now, and how that hurts the game. Hell, I paid big bucks 10 years ago for that car in the driveway, it aint worth that now :p *shrugs*
     
  11. elianydd

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    Ah, THAT part I get, then. In which case it defeated the purpose of the original event, right? And you can't just create a new event (say, just to eat up the extra bless deeds) because it's mainly the cheaters that would benefit from that, since they're the ones with the loads of extra items. Messy. (But I'm still glad they didn't revert. It still would've been enough to get me to quit. I just think they need to fix it some other way.)

    As an aside, and just a general comment, not to you specifically, is that I think PART of the problem that "The Developers" have is likely that the UO code is SO old -- remember, this was written BEFORE people really knew all the craziness that would ensue from cheaters, exploiters, hackers, etc. and hardware was MUCH less powerful then as well -- that the architecture of it doesn't allow for them to fix a lot of these problems without breaking other stuff in UO, or rewriting huge portions of it from scratch (which they'd never get the time, the money, or the permission to do from the higher-ups who sign the checks). So they're forced to bandage things together and/or make due with what they can, and it's not always as much as we the players would like. If it WERE simple to fix (the remaining) problems, bugs, cheats, etc. it would already have been done.
     
  12. pgib

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    Having cheaters around is not good but i don't really see the problem in having even a gazillion bless deeds (or any of the available rewards) around.

    Really, what's the problem with that? That one can't sell them for 10 million? And who said they were worth that? I wouldn't pay more than... well zero, they are totally useless given that we have insurance.

    And the same stands for all the rewards: nothing of what i saw was really worth much.
     
  13. Lord Frodo

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    So at 100 pts per item = 1,000 items per Bless Deed. I really dont see where you think that there were a lot of Bless Deeds gotten this way considering that it does take time to do this and then turn in the items. I cleaned out a Castle worth of junk and ended up with almost 10M points. So far I have 57, yes 57, Bless Deeds and I still have over 2M points to spend and if I want to I can turn in 761 old school bells for another 9512500 and get another 95 Bless Deeds. Do you really think there are a lot of players out there that could have 172 Bless Deeds? People are trying to sell them for 4M on Alt Shard and nobody is buying them, so to see them for 2M per does not mean they were gotten the wrong way.
     
  14. rareitem

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    What a big surprise. As far as I know scripts are working and people using them feel quite safe using them, so the las months news about a detection system are just false.
     
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    i dont mind it if they spent it all on bless deeds, cause some yahoo is going to bless some junk weapons and ina year or so were not going to be seeing 2mil bless deeds, the will still be 5-10 mil by then.shure there will be a lot of blessed junk items.. so what.
     
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    The sad thing for me is the guy that turned in 4 castles worth of stuff. That was confusing because a lot of that stuff had to be worth more than the items you could get. But, anyway can you imagine turning your uo life into those points so someone could cheat/exploit or whatever you call something like this your uo life into almost no value.

    A lot of other people worked really hard for their points. They turned in items they really wanted to keep, and found out they could get almost nothing from this.
     
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    Why would someone turn in something they really wanted to keep? Unless they were getting something they wanted in return. In which case I don't see how a drop in value is really a big deal.

    As for me, I'm in don't care, camp. I turned in a bunch of stuff I was hoarding, and received items I am going to enjoy having. I believe that was the point. And it was successful at that for most I would say.

    And why would bless deeds be selling at face value anyway, while the event of still in progress no less?
     
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    just because they are 100,000 points doesnt automatically value them at 10m each..

    people have millions of points. nothing to get that is good.. they ruined the suits with the low durability.. i have the jewelry from last time i dont use.
    and the boots were crazy cheap.. got like 3 sets of each..

    so selling bless deeds while they are hot is a good idea.
     
  19. Lady CaT

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    The price problem isn't necessarily supply, it could very well be demand.

    If players didn't really want or need the bless deeds, then it really doesn't matter how many there are in the world. The lack of demand would cause prices to fall.

    You made a bad assumption. People posted bless deeds were the best thing to spend points on, NOT that they would want to buy them from other players.

    The object of the event was to remove items from the world, not transform your junk into valuable items to resell. You made that assumption, not the developers.

    So the developers accomplished exactly what they wanted to do. :)
     
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    I have to agree with Lady Cat goddess here...

    it's like a carrot on a stick ;

    and thus an insult to your collective intelligences

    ... goo work and clean it up and we reward your time with items that are WORTH YOUR TIME *cough*

    and well if the whole reward system is cracked... we'll laugh and ridicule you even more...

    working lika donkey wasn't enough... the carrot was plastic !!!

    *big laugh from the audience*

    great JOKE EA...

    :scholar:
     
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    More items that are limited charges would be good.

    The deeds are good because they are one time use.

    They were on the right track to make them higher point value.

    We need more high point value/consumable items if ever we do something like this again.
     
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    Most people wouldnt be happy if they read this... but..you cant change the situation,so
    why don't you just take advantage of it and buy a bless deed cheap for 2 million
    and safe money.
    Then either use them or keep them a year and sell them for more money
     
  24. Kas Althume

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    You are talking so much crap on these forums. Why should i or any other honest player lose 5 days of gameplay because of some cheaters? The bless deeds mean nothing to me. Even for 50k i wouldn't buy them for my chars on europa. What the cheaters did has absoluteny no influence on my gameplay or my game experience. They can have a billion bless deeds for all i care. Why punish the non cheaters? I really don't get your stupidity.
     
  25. Petra Fyde

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    Please recognise that you can't punish thousands of legitimate players by taking away 5 days of their achievements in game just because something has been 'devalued'.
    Many people are using clean up to clear out their junk and get things they would like to have for their characters or homes. Not to make a mint selling it.

    There is more to this game than amassing multiple bank-fulls of yellow checks.
     
  26. THP

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    ditto to u too...yes lets keep letting the exploiters win
     
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    Take just a tiny, tiny moment to stop and think.
    No, it's not right that the exploiters win out, and I truely hope that the developers have some way to deal with the situation. But.
    Destroying thousands of people's achievements is NOT the way to do it.

    How would you feel if you'd started a character, trained many skills almost to finished and then a revert, not caused by any kind of hardware failure, but simply because someone cheated and cost some people some imaginary gold, wiped out the whole of what you had done?

    In fact, make it personal. IF this crack-brained revert had happened. What had you done over the past 5 days that you would have lost?
     
  28. Mervyn

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    How about just get rid of blessed stuff and make everything insured? Delete all bless deeds.

    It gets pretty ridiculous when you get griefers perma attacking you and no matter how many times you kill them, they just come back and lose nothing.

    Even if people got the bless deeds legitimately, they're still game ruining.
     
  29. THP

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    Either way the exploit would have affected thousands of players who were happy to hoard ready for this event...WHAT ABOUT THEM???

    END OF THE DAY THE EXPLOITERS HAVE WON AGAIN- Like they always do UN-OPPOSSED YET AGAIN!!!!!!

    Somewere along the line wether its a bit of a revert or whatever ..the community of UO needs to STAND UP AGAINST THE EXPLOITERS ....be it they lose 3-4 days playtime...which is probably 2 hours a day for most normal folk AND take a little hit to STOP THIS EXPLOITING CRAP
     
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    PRETTY SURE most people would be happy to lose 3-4 days play..which would equate to 2 hours per day for most normal real people with familys and work committments etc etc .....TO WATCH THE EXPLOITERS SQUEAL AS THEY ARE SQUASHED FOR ONCE.....

    The feeling the whole UO community would get..... that the bad exploiting cheating people Have finally been dealt a blow!! would be ''priceless'' and by far more better than the silly gold or items that u have stuffed in your bulging bank boxes in the 3-4 days that was lost!!!!
     
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    Well put. Whilst I take THP's point about exploiters 'getting away with it' a revert is a punishment to all players, guilty or not. The principle of collective punishment is not a popular one in any jurisdiction.

    As has been said, most people are not affected at all by a surfeit of bless deeds. Over 11 years, I amassed enough stuff for just over 200,000 points because I throw most stuff out anyway. This got me a set of floor tiles (which I missed last time) and a beehive and horse barding for decoration. I'm very happy with the "free" gifts.

    Then again, I'm easily pleased. :)
     
  32. Mervyn

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    Typical trammel response. It doesn't affect your game, so who cares about those fel players?
     
  33. Kiminality

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    I earned about 2mil points with stuff I've been hoarding, mostly from blue crystals.
    I nearly sold the blue crystals at the beginning, figuring I'd be better off with a Scrooge McDuck money pool than points for items I'm not really enthusiastic about.
    In the end I turned them in, which turns out to have been the least profitable move.

    Do I like profit? Yes.
    Would I have benefitted from a revert? Hell yes.
    Would I want that benefit to have come at the expense of even one player's proud accomplishment over the 5 days? **** no!

    It sucks that cheaters win.
    But would it suck less for the cheaters to have broken even, while the honest players lost honest accomplishments?
     
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    I'd be happy to be enlightened. How do bless deeds affect Felucca more than insurance?
     
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    As i said earlier:

    "It gets pretty ridiculous when you get griefers perma attacking you and no matter how many times you kill them, they just come back and lose nothing."

    I'll give you a scenario, you're fighting some oranges in an opposing faction, and they have a char in your faction on their team, if the opposing faction are also red, this char on their team in your faction has the ability to heal his team mates even though he's on a different faction, and no matter how many times you kill this healer, all blessed items, no stat loss, no loss of anything. perma grief.
     
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    I think its funny because its not even insurance...

    So why do we... in a ULTIMA... medieval game... PAY to *get back?¿* the item through "magical" means which do not even fit in any part of the game what so ever ?

    ever ever ever ever.... dosen't it sound more amazing when you say ever many times like ever ever ever... :hahaha:
     
  37. It doesnt hurt the game. It messes the game play up for those individuals. In the end it wont matter. Like a launching a ship with leaks. You still get a boat road, just have problems the distract from the cruise you paid for.

    Yeah but would you pay big bucks for a car today and be glad about, only to find right around the corner there were 10 cars that were cheaper because they new a secret you couldn't possibly know.
     

  38. Its not that you cant sell them for 10 million. It is the player that was informed of the cheat going on that planned to use his points to make some gold for their game play style. They picked bless deeds to sell for gold at a discount... let say 6 million each. Good discount. Only to be ******over because cheating Willy new something they could know.
     

  39. I sold my stuff early too as a fellow McDucker. I wasn't effected. For me it is the principle of wasting programmer time and messing with players.

    In the end nothing really matters. Just maybe make simple gold sinks and give prized. Keep it simple.
     
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    Personally, i couldn't care less what happens to the cheaters, so they had the brains to discover something people didn't, good for them i say.

    What affects the player base, is the volume of bless deeds dropped into the game. Item bless deeds should never have been reintroduced into the game.

    OK there are devs who have websites who have been selling unlimited amounts of item bless deeds and real lieutenant sashes etc for real cash for years, but not everyone bought them.
     
  41. colesey08

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    You killed someone perv? WTG! :bowdown:
     
  42. Ahuaeyjnkxs

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    What amazes me the most about all this is the simple fact that we don't even have an idea... not EVEN A GUT FEELING ?!

    about the possibility that someone in the dev team knows a few good scripters and put in that exploit on purpose in the game, then released it to his overseas friends for them to abuse and the while it took to come back here well... harm was done.

    It's a slim possibility, but how can we go on as a community without knowing if some people up there are really just laughing at us constantly ?

    You can't say it dosen't really matter...

    I think we have the right to ask questions... and more...
     
  43. elianydd

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    So, if I understand this right, people are ABUSING the mechanics of the faction system and the blue/red system in order to implant someone on your side that can also heal the people on the OTHER side, and this person is also able to come back from death with no penalty because of the death system, which they'd have been able to do ANYWAY despite the glut of bless deeds because bless deeds were available beforehand (but maybe more expensive) and even if they weren't, the cost of insurance is minimal, (since people say they have no trouble making MILLIONS per hour) so the entire issue of bless deeds is pretty irrelevant, and so they would've been able to do all that they're doing now even if the clean-up event HAD NEVER HAPPENED.

    And you're saying they should WIPE 5 DAYS OF PLAY FROM EVERYONE to fix this.

    Is it just me, or perhaps, maybe the "bless deed" glut MIGHT NOT BE THE REAL PROBLEM HERE? (And is, in fact, just a tiny, tiny piece of the puzzle.)

    Umm, the whole "people with glass houses" thing comes to mind....
     
  44. Kiminality

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    I can't speak for anyone else, but I'm laughing at you constantly
     
  45. Zomeguy

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    Yes indeed.
    You are saying it doesn't affect you because you are already richer than god, don't give a damn about bless deeds and so do not want a rollback.
    And you are criticizing the people that want a rollback because they were affected (and not you) and probably for the greater good of the game overall.

    Hypocrite much?

    Oh and I doubt that much playtime would be lost in case of a rollback, seeing the huge wasteland that UO currently is. Quite the opposite as the majority of accounts existing for the sole purpose of keeping up the houses would have their gametime extended by 5 days for free lol.
     
  46. Picus at the office

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    The only people who seem to be affected here are those whom thought that these deeds had any value. Tough cookies if you trashed all your trash and got beat by those that found a better way. The time to make money off these things was between day one and four of the event, not six month later when the rest of the players came to the conclusion that they held no worth.
     
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    Thank you, I see what you are getting at now. However, this seems like your real concern is actually the introduction of bless deeds (as noted in your later post below).

    Since the legitimate acquisition of bless deeds was uncapped, and there are many players in the game that could trash enough or spend enough to acquire blessed items to do as your scenario, your complaint would hold regardless of the cheating. Indeed, one might argue that the rampant cheating helped level the playing field again, as now pretty much everyone can afford the PvP equipment noted.

    If this thread was about the introduction of bless deeds as a cleanup item, I would tend to agree with your viewpoint that such an item was unbalancing and therefore should not be given away. Since the thread is about the glut of such deeds and the unfairness of not being able to sell them at an exclusive premium, I shall have to continue in my belief that the glut doesn't really affect most people adversely, Feluccan or otherwise - certainly not in comparison to a five day revert.
     
  48. elianydd

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    Well, if that is addressed at me, then you guessed wrong. I am NOT rich, it DOES affect me because I COULD use the Bless Deeds, and yet I STILL don't think a FIVE DAY ROLLBACK is the RIGHT answer.

    Again, wrong in assuming that it doesn't affect me. And, no, it would NOT be for the "greater good" of the game, IMO. It would be like nuking the world. Sure it'd get the cheaters, but everyone else would suffer just as much, if not more.

    I think a 5-day rollback would negatively affect so many people that it would cause people to LEAVE, and that, definitely, is not something "good" for UO at this point.

    Well, it would lose about... FIVE DAYS of playtime for EACH person that played. And if UO *is* such a "huge wasteland" why all the concern and anguish over an abundance of virtual items in a virtual game that according to you, is virtually dead?

    In addition to all that, a "five day revert" is NOT going to happen, certainly not at this point, and every day that goes by makes it even less likely.

    Bear in mind, I'm NOT saying that the situation shouldn't have something done. All I'm saying is that a "revert" is NOT the answer. Period.

    IMO, of course. And, apparently, EA/Mythic's as well.
     
  49. Mervyn

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    I never said they should wipe 5 days of play from everyone, i said they should wipe bless deeds from everyone, maybe replace them with something else, even if they were ill gotten.

    And I don't know about you, but someone loosing 15k per death, after 10 deaths someone would normally stop harassing, now, it's not just that they don't lose anything, i don't gain anything from killing them either.
     
  50. Actually the time to make gold was 2 weeks before the publish, selling the turn in items.

    A better way... shouldnt be a oversite.

    Im not sure if the event has been on 6 months now.