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Discussion in 'UO Rares Collector' started by mdacc#one, Nov 3, 2007.

  1. mdacc#one

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    We rare collectors rock in this game. Past 3 months, there probably have been over 40 billion gp worth of rares exchanged hands among players. No other professoin in this game can do this.
     
  2. Guest

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    bkit farmers :p

    billions a day.
     
  3. Guest

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    whatever happened to getting rares and keeping them because they are freakin awesome? you aint rares collectors and this part of the forum aint called the rares trading section :/

    http://boards.stratics.com/php-bin/uo/showflat.php?Cat=&amp;Number=7483995&amp;Main=0#Post7483995

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    I'm not sure I can even take someone seriously who uses the word <blockquote><hr>

    aint

    [/ QUOTE ] but be that as it may, I'm not sure what right you have to judge those of us who consider ourselves to be "rares collectors". Many of us have museums of varying sizes and worth, but in order to acquire new items we often are required to sell or trade items. The fact that we sometimes sell or trade items from our own collections does not mean we are not collectors, it simply means that we want to obtain an item that as you put it we consider "freakin awesome". Also in case you missed it the "Rares Forum" is contained under the multi forum titled "UO - Trading".
     
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    whatever happened to getting rares and keeping them because they are freakin awesome? you aint rares collectors and this part of the forum aint called the rares trading section :/

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    I would have to agree with the above a bit - Irrespective of the turn over that you may have, I am not completely satisfied that you are in any way adding value to the community beyond doing your little bit to destroy and unbalance the economy in the same way dupers and scripter’s do.

    For what it’s worth, it is my opinion that each of you are interdependent on each other - If it was not for the booming Dupe and scripter trade, which gives insane amounts of money to people, then I do not believe that people, like yourself who were lucky enough to come by items in the past, would be able to sell them now for the insane prices we see them go for.

    When you consider the sheer numbers being talk about as far as gold turn over, I find it very difficult accept that this amount of gold could have entered the game legitimately without the help of the Duper’s, Scripter’s and all other manner of scammers of the game mechanics out there in the game today.

    Therefore one conclusion we can reach is that you are, at least passively, supporting the scammers. I say this because the gold that eventually flows to you was most likely first brought into this game by means not necessarily within the spirit of the game mechanics. That is not to say that there are not some out there who sit for hours harvesting gold legitimately.

    The unfortunately part of this now is that you may not have any other options available, for if you don’t sell into the current market at the prices that you do, some else will. Having open the flood gates of gold into the game I can see no way to turn back to clock.

    Thanks Mezzac
     
  5. mdacc#one

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    <blockquote><hr>

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    whatever happened to getting rares and keeping them because they are freakin awesome? you aint rares collectors and this part of the forum aint called the rares trading section :/

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    I would have to agree with the above a bit - Irrespective of the turn over that you may have, I am not completely satisfied that you are in any way adding value to the community beyond doing your little bit to destroy and unbalance the economy in the same way dupers and scripter’s do.

    For what it’s worth, it is my opinion that each of you are interdependent on each other - If it was not for the booming Dupe and scripter trade, which gives insane amounts of money to people, then I do not believe that people, like yourself who were lucky enough to come by items in the past, would be able to sell them now for the insane prices we see them go for.

    When you consider the sheer numbers being talk about as far as gold turn over, I find it very difficult accept that this amount of gold could have entered the game legitimately without the help of the Duper’s, Scripter’s and all other manner of scammers of the game mechanics out there in the game today.

    Therefore one conclusion we can reach is that you are, at least passively, supporting the scammers. I say this because the gold that eventually flows to you was most likely first brought into this game by means not necessarily within the spirit of the game mechanics. That is not to say that there are not some out there who sit for hours harvesting gold legitimately.

    The unfortunately part of this now is that you may not have any other options available, for if you don’t sell into the current market at the prices that you do, some else will. Having open the flood gates of gold into the game I can see no way to turn back to clock.

    Thanks Mezzac

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    So in your socialistic way of thinking all currency should be controlled. Inflation then would not exist. Aldous Huxley's Brave New World might exsit in your 9th grade English class but that's the extent of it. Those who have tried to enforce it have gone way down south. Thing is, humans are flawed by nature and sooner or later all forms of economy will be tainted.

    Granted duppers and scriptors are flooding in gold and items driving the inflation up but that's with all society. But so shall everyting else rise accordingly. I am not condoning their actions one bit but to say what we do buying/trading/collecting is somehow hurting the economy or contributing to "their" cause is ignorance and BS.

    Who are you to tell us who is interdependent on whom. Are you so selfrightous that you don't buy anything? If that's the case get off this foreum. You don't even belong here.

    My post was merely an observation that people are still willing to collect and play this game. Isn't that what's most important here? People want to play this game and are willing to reinvest in it. Don't try to post these type of ignoramous remarks when you don't know what your talking about. If your so negative about this game go play another game.

    This is RARE COLLECTORS foreum and not Post your two cents foreum.

    Thank you
     
  6. Tomas_Bryce

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    Anyone who uses gold in this game, by that logic, is supporting scammers; unless you run around in gm leather armor and a horse? If not then don't judge because you are just as much part of the "economy" as anyone else. Furthermore, rare collecting/trading worked in similar manner even back in 1999. The difference was that then billion now was a million and everyone else had ten thousand. It does not matter how many zeros you add.

    So, in conclusion, coming here and accusing honest players of "supporting scammers" is downright ridiculous. It is not our fault that EA/Mythic is lousy in implementing rules and regulations. It is not our fault that there exist lousy people in the world who exploit the situation. We are as much victims as anyone else.

    Regarding not adding value to the community, what have you done to add value to the community? People in my community know exactly what I have done to add value and I would be willing to bet that it is more than you. Likewise, Manticore's museum is legendary across shards - It was one of the things that rekindled my interest in collecting rares again. I would have probably quit otherwise. That is not creating value then what is?
     
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    So in your socialistic way of thinking all currency should be controlled. Inflation then would not exist. Aldous Huxley's Brave New World might exsit in your 9th grade English class but that's the extent of it. Those who have tried to enforce it have gone way down south. Thing is, humans are flawed by nature and sooner or later all forms of economy will be tainted.

    Granted duppers and scriptors are flooding in gold and items driving the inflation up but that's with all society. But so shall everyting else rise accordingly. I am not condoning their actions one bit but to say what we do buying/trading/collecting is somehow hurting the economy or contributing to "their" cause is ignorance and BS.

    Who are you to tell us who is interdependent on whom. Are you so selfrightous that you don't buy anything? If that's the case get off this foreum. You don't even belong here.

    My post was merely an observation that people are still willing to collect and play this game. Isn't that what's most important here? People want to play this game and are willing to reinvest in it. Don't try to post these type of ignoramous remarks when you don't know what your talking about. If your so negative about this game go play another game.

    This is RARE COLLECTORS foreum and not Post your two cents foreum.

    Thank you

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    Hi,

    I think you need to get a thicker skin.

    Is it the case that in 'your' brave new world that people cannot express an opinion?? Is it the case that the only those people who think and act as you do are right and acceptable?? Hmm, sounds a little socialistic to me [​IMG]

    I thought it was pretty obvious by my comments that I find the current state of the economy as a given and accept that nothing can be done having gone down the path we have. I accept that we have no choice now other that join in. I was merely making an observation as to how we got to this point.

    And I stand by my statement that the sale of rares and the prices being ask are absolutely interdependent with duper and scripter etc and the gold they have brought into the economy.

    And as far as trying to explain internal machinations of the UO economy with that of the real world, that is just a nonsense – the outside world has, for the most part, a bit better regulatory regime applied over it and market forces are able to have a more important role in keeping the economy on a reasonable even keel .

    Unlike UO economy, last time I looked in the real world, no economy has even been able to survive with hyperinflation, though I must say some countries in Africa are giving it a good try [​IMG]. As pointed out by another poster, in the absence of any real action by the EA and GM's etc, nothing is ever likely to change inside the game and run away inflation is here to stay.


    Thanks Mezzac
     
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    okies no flames intended....

    and the main reason for some peoples great wealth is of course 24/7 scripting !!! ....(ie) the brsk crap etc - but thats obvious to all .....and iam not pointing any fingers at any collectors for this by the way.

    however..... i feel, the once very unfair EM/GM events ...and lets be honest folks there was 'click club ' , nobody could have attended all shards/ all events/ all times without being in the 'click club ' have far far far helped some peeps to get great great great wealth.

    I love looking at the old server items in peeps museums , etc but for most players they are out of reach, because some peeps have soo much gold its untrue, yes the main reason for such wealth is obvoiusly the 24/7 scripting which as ripped the heart out of our beloved game!! but the events did not help either....(well only to the few that attended them all).
     
  10. The problem was that those w/ the billions of duped gold wanted rares &amp; event items, which led to them offering INSANE amounts of gold for the items, which drove the prices into oblivion....
     
  11. Tomas_Bryce

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    And I stand by my statement that the sale of rares and the prices being ask are absolutely interdependent with duper and scripter etc and the gold they have brought into the economy.

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    What is your point? I feel like saying no ****, Einstein. Prices of -everything- rises when there is duped gold introduced in the economy. Well, everything but the things that a npc sells. Your orny rises in price, your house rises in price, your boomstick rises in price, and also your soul seeker. There is no reason for artifacts or powerscrolls to be the price they are at except inflation. So again I ask, what exactly is your point in stating the obvious but ignoring its universal effect? The number being asked for a rare might have changed but its VALUE has not changed so much.

    To give you an example, someone who won lot of rares back in 2001 is in no way any "richer" today if you count inflation (except for any normal appreciation of value of the item due to it becoming even more rare over time). I hate using USD but that is the easiest way to peg inflation. Gold was worth more than ten times. So even if someones rare has inflated astronomically they are not "richer" because the value of gold has gone down. Back in early 2000, I felt richer with the 6 million gold I had than I feel today with a billion.

    So your little speil can be applied to anything and everything that involves buying and selling.

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    The problem was that those w/ the billions of duped gold wanted rares &amp; event items, which led to them offering INSANE amounts of gold for the items, which drove the prices into oblivion....

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    No that is not the problem. Values of everything reflects the excessive gold present in the economy. Every week tainted brokers sell billions of gold to general players. Some of the biggest gold sites out there are also ran by some of the biggest dupers and scripters. They are the -real- culprits behind
    any significant changes in the price of goods. Not the collectors. And every single one of you who buys gold from a site ran by someone you have never really seen in your community is supporting the duping and scripting. Not the collectors.

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    however..... i feel, the once very unfair EM/GM events ...and lets be honest folks there was 'click club ' , nobody could have attended all shards/ all events/ all times without being in the 'click club ' have far far far helped some peeps to get great great great wealth.

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    Why is that? I know who you are referring to but dont be so quick to scream cheater without a shred of evidence. It is not that hard to setup a group of people who check all shards every night. I personally know atleast one EM and I never knew they were EM while they were an EM. I also think they would be highly offended if you were to tell them that they gave information to their favorites. Finally, I think most collectors are like me and have bought almost everything they own.
     
  12. mdacc#one

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    okies no flames intended....

    and the main reason for some peoples great wealth is of course 24/7 scripting !!! ....(ie) the brsk crap etc - but thats obvious to all .....and iam not pointing any fingers at any collectors for this by the way.

    however..... i feel, the once very unfair EM/GM events ...and lets be honest folks there was 'click club ' , nobody could have attended all shards/ all events/ all times without being in the 'click club ' have far far far helped some peeps to get great great great wealth.

    I love looking at the old server items in peeps museums , etc but for most players they are out of reach, because some peeps have soo much gold its untrue, yes the main reason for such wealth is obvoiusly the 24/7 scripting which as ripped the heart out of our beloved game!! but the events did not help either....(well only to the few that attended them all).

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    This is not true either, we had a system of checking the events every night and warned each other of events. We worked hard for our items and not juse someone who just showed up. We didn't know the EMs and they didn't know us. They were always watched by a GM to make sure everything was played out fair. Plenty of accusations floating around but none were proven.
     
  13. "and lets be honest folks there was 'click club ' , nobody could have attended all shards/ all events/ all times without being in the 'click club "


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    "we had a system of checking the events every night and warned each other of events. We worked hard for our items and not juse someone who just showed up"



    Same thing.


    Not that it was bad or wrong...
    But you did have to be in the club to get in the know on the shard events.
     
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    The Big rumor is that one in your little club was either an RL friend or relative of an EM, so was told that it had nothing to do with checking at all.
     
  15. Tomas_Bryce

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    Rumor means nothing. There are thousands of rumors out there. I even heard a rumor that we never landed on the moon. Funny thing.
     
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    Not that it was bad or wrong...
    But you did have to be in the club to get in the know on the shard events.

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    Omg! When I hear such sentences I could scream out loud!
    In the same club! Bah!
    Jesus christ.....is it that hard to tell other ppl you know ingame about those events? Is it THAT hard to be in party/icq chat with them, so one watches the event indicator, while the others are doing something else?

    I´ve never ever been in any club... I´m a small rares collector, not less not more. I´ve never been elite in any kind.
    But still I managed to get some nice event rares! It´s just spending the time for waiting for the events, and then actually participating when it happens!

    Thanks to those "buhuuu events are unfair" moaners, one of my favourite thing in uo vanished.... and no, it wasn´t my favourite cause of the items, but our em put some really nice stories up [​IMG]
    *feels she flamed enough*
     
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    Sorry i seem to have un-intentionally hijacked the post...

    Listen its just ''my'' point of view...I thought the EM/GM events were unfair system, it always seemed to be the same players talking about the same items they just hitched from the latest event, while the mainstay of the uo population knew nothing about the event taking place.

    I personally feel the new style worldwide ingame events for everyone are much much fairer, as its lasts a week or so, everyone knows about it and everyone as a fair chance to either take part and be part of it, maybe grab themselves
    something nice from the event...or if they prefer just ignore it...

    FOR EXAMPLE
    If the latest maginca event had been run as a EM/GM EVENT on say 1 or 2 shards then maybe 10-20 peeps would have taken part and maybe all got rewarded with 1 of the 3 new level12 arties....if that was the case then the event items would have been worth say 50m plus because they were only a few handed out....again to the lucky peeps that got to know about the event!!!

    alas as a worldwide ingame event everyone will get chance to own all the new artis for themseleves and thus prices will be very low indeed as the market will be flooded with em, but everyone as had fun with the event!! and nobody gets rich from the tip of a hat!
     
  18. Tomas_Bryce

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    Every EM event I ever attended on Atlantic had hundreds of other people too. So, what you are saying is 100% false in the context of Atlantic.
     
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    No its very relevent, especailly on the lesser shards!!!!
     
  20. Tomas_Bryce

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    I am just saying it is not relevant on larger shards like Atlantic. Global events are all fine and dandy but they cannot replace EMs. Mind you, I was for removing EMs too but that was because some of them absolutely sucked at doing their job. I wanted a more even quality events across all shards - aka better quality control - not killing the program.
     
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    The thing that irritated me was that on Oceania we have the smallest population and therefore, having the 5-10 xsharders that always came to events was very disheartening, and also the fact that a great deal of Oceanian events happened around noon Australian time on saturday and sunday, which was done to let US players come, but Australian players suffered, especially during sporting seasons.
    I know of many many people who missed events because the fact that events happened during the day our time, all to accommodate a rather small minority in the scheme of things.
     
  22. mdacc#one

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    See thats where you are wrong again. Luck plays a little role during these events, but the main thing is experience. A pro player will run circles around elementary players. I got good at what I did by figuring out the system on how to watch these events and the way EMs like to drop their rares. Nothing special about it other than observations and experience. I figured out long before during season 1 what most shard's warning systems were and the EMs didn't keep it hidden it was displayed in plain sight. Was time spent? Heck yes, I spend at least 3-4 hours each night. But then again once we figured the system we can estimate which shards were next. May be one day I'll tell all but not today. Only thing I can assure you is no EM ever contacted me or was my real life frined or all the other yada yada. In fact, long after the EM program had ended did I found out a couple of them I knew for a long time in game and was only revealed on this foreum.

    O and the group I ran around with from Atlantic, well they really knew their UO history. They can attack any invistigation type of events and figured out trivia faster than any other players attending the events. We all worked together and some of them worked on events that lasted 12 hours straight without sleep. So the ones who sacrificed their time surely deserve the prize.