The now locked OP which this is in reference to. The question raised IN that op ... has been rendered MOOT ... hehehehe read on with this in mind. The Moot is the anvil and my logic is the hammer that MAY form that malleable metal(mettle?) of your mind and behavior. The problem with homilies is sometimes they are based on "false premise". Actions based on a false premise will generally take a turn for the worse. The early bird gets the worm, the second mouse gets the cheese. both are "true premise" ... first come first served, is true when there is a supply of worms. be careful of what you reach for, look before you leap ... consequences "can/may"(will) happen Try to learn from yours and others mistakes. The "grand goal" of stratics (as I see it) is to discuss the >Ideas< that concern UO ... not the persons what be bringing >the ideas<. In examining "ideas" one should allow that the premise that the idea is based on ... is false. Equally (key word) when challenging an idea that you see AS false ... may in actuality >be true<. The "Logic" of analyzing an idea ... is well established. Broad view, "just" Fallacies. Which rounds to the "nature" of Moot ... a good place to start. A Moot is, by definition, arguable. But it is More than that simple definition. It is also defined as a "settled point" ... a decision has been made OR the need for a decision is past. (examples in the broad view link above.) A settled question CAN BE used as a "teaching tool" IF one approaches the moot >>as settled< & KNOWING that< : the only "product" of the debate/argument to follow, is ONLY to show where those "counter arguments" are false in their construction. One "attacking" arguing against a known moot ... will usually have the errors of their logic pointed out to them (IF they would have worked that out for themselves ... it would not show "brilliance" to proceed ... Doh!) A moot can be useful as a teaching tool IF the results produce "learning". The Moot, however ... will REMAIN moot ... still arguable REGARDLESS of the presence/absence of any learning being obtained. Classic shards ARE a moot point. Time travel is a moot point (if there "will be" time travel in the future ; and IF they have traveled back to before now. THIS is the best they could do to "fix" us.) MOOT. The OP has stated a desire to eliminate as much as possible the use of "personal attacks"(jab's - slights - slanders "against a person") and steer more to limiting discussion to the "Merits of an Idea" REGARDLESS of the messenger/person presenting the idea. It is logical to do so. I will comply. Hopefully the mods can "regain" their logical composure (as it was alluded to having been lost in the op ... I HOPE they can succeed/comply) Moot MOOT MOoOOOooOTTTT!!!!!