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I really hate shopping...

Discussion in 'UHall' started by SchezwanBeefy, Sep 25, 2009.

  1. SchezwanBeefy

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    I know that scripting programs have been booted for obvious reasons, but I still miss certain sites that used them to make shopping a million times easier. Now I run around Luna for three hours looking for one thing but never seem to find it.
    Don't get me started on the obvious lack of power scrolls.
    Are people with Luna vendors feeling the loss of these sites? Two people I spoke with said normally they would make double what they were and some of the stuff they were selling would have gone a -lot- faster, but they didn't have those search engines for lazier people so there went half their business.
     
  2. Sales were down for everyone for the past 2 weeks, not just Luna houses. Things are starting to pick back up though. Everyone was too busy with the new stuff to do any shopping, but now that they've had some time to see what's what, they have an idea of what they want/need so are back out buying again.
     
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    Good. *stares*
     
  4. Fink

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    I only just started a lUNA vendor in earnest after SA came out; I specialise in imbued jewels & bows. The vendor they're on used to sell deco arties for 50gp. Needless to say there's been a bit of a jump in both sales & revenue.

    My other vendor sells monster potions, seems to have declined somewhat. Perhaps because they're sold from bags rather than the main pack. At a glance they're harder to find.
     
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    Never mind. The other search engine is down too.
     
  6. UOKaiser

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    Yep no script to mark the items from the venders so no search engine or scripters in uo right now. Just to think about it all those people paging on people these past weeks have just being harrasing legit players go figure.
     
  7. UOKaiser

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    You never got into more vendering than that?
     
  8. Black Sun

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    I wouldn't say everyone. Sales on my Luna vendor have been steady, but it sells mid to low end impulse deco items, so even when the search sites were up it's not like anyone was searching for those items in particular on a regular basis. But sales at my Destard shop have picked up since launch. Usually I just stock once a week and pack the vendors until their packs can't hold more items, but check in daily. In a weeks time I usually turn about half my inventory. This past week I noticed about a 40% increase in recalls and about a 25% increase in archery ammo. Both items that are very overpriced and hard to find in Luna normally.
     
  9. Berethrain

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    Yeah, you can still macro using UOA, but who cares? I refuse to work any skill again by repeatedly clicking, been there done that and it's legal.

    :next:
     
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    First off (I feel) search sites promote lazy vendors. You don't have to specialize or organize. Just plop an item on your vendor and let the search site do it for you. Great for folks who use the site. Very annoying for folks that don't. But they (search sites) are here and very popular. Moving forward they are a neccesary evil I guess.

    With that in mind..

    I do wish EA would sanction it's own search site. Or, they could put up an auction house located at brit bank that was linked to all vendors... if you really wanted to get folks back there.

    Luna has a reputaiton of being the merchant capital of the world but why is that a bad thing? But even with that rep you can still run a good and profitable shop anywhere outside it's walls. The largest unfair advantage Luna offers is search sites that list mainly goods offered in and around the city.
     
  11. I have sold more in the last two weeks then I can remember.

    I love vending and looking for items. Its part of the game.

    The stuff to have stocked the last 2 weeks is SA items. Now those things seem to be stabilizing. Time for imbuing and continued ingredients from the Abyss.

    Powerscrolls are being sucked up for binding. That was pretty obvious. I sold tons prior to SA launch. People are making 120's. Same reason plants disappeared. Same reason shimmering crystals disappeared.

    It might be time for the good old vendor house to return that stocks basic supplies and items to set up and thrive.

    I hope the search feature never returns. Not for my sake. But for the game sake. With or without it my vendors are hopping.

    Looks like the time of relying on a simple way to search and buy crap is gone. Time to get BLISTERS ON YOUR FINGERS.

    Its good for the game.
     
  12. the 4th man

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    The hassle I run into in Luna-Mart, is false advertising. I say it goes 50/50......A vendor promotes this and actually has something else, or you get those shops that just say something like "I have it all"........

    I shop off signs mostly, or hit the ctrl/shift keys........when I am looking for something, otherwise, I try and be self sufficent.
     
  13. SchezwanBeefy

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    I do the same, but what I've noticed on Pac when I ran around looking for a specific something, most of the vendors were very low on items. I tried running around in the Zento and in Tram, but again there was nothing (all my Trammel rune shops were gone. =[ ). Total bummer.
     
  14. What were you looking for?
     
  15. HeathBar

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    I hate shopping around looking for items so very very much.... there are so many empty, useless and utterly disorganized vendors. It seems like I've been looking for a simple 115 magery scroll that doesn't cost an arm and a leg for an eternity. The only 110 magery I've found now costs as much as the 115's used to, and the 120's... forget it! The only one I've seen around was 28mil which is almost double what they normally go for, and the sad thing is someone actually bought it!!! What the heck is going on? I thought the scroll binders would make the 115's and 120's more easily accessible.

    It would be a dream come true if EA would just have their own website or some kind of search feature. It would put these other site out of business and make a lot of people very happy.
     
  16. Experimental

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    This is one of my pet peeves regarding shopping, unless your bags are marked.
    When I come across a vendor, if the bags arent marked as to what the contents are, or the vendor isnt named with an accurate description of its contents, I don't even bother looking.
     
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    Bad for buyers, but good for sellers.
     
  18. Black Sun

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    You and me both. If you name your vendor Sally's Sales, and I open the pack to be greeted by 15 bags that aren't even labeled, I close the pack and move on the the next one. Not worth my time if I can't take a glance at the main pack and get an idea of what you're selling. Not one of my (personal) vendors has bags with items in it. On the rare occasion I use a bag, I always label it and place a sample item next to it in the main pack.
     
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    Hopefully the death of the search sites will indeed whip vendor owners into shape and make them properly label everything. I run one vendor and on it i mostly sell new sa puzzle rewards and mysticism books. Ive been selling out every couple hours mostly due to the fact i undercut all prices i find. It boggles my mind to think of all the people that paid more than 100k (my price) for the 3 story totem poles and statue stands. Whats worse is the outrageous prices people try to sell full mysticism books for.. 150k?! mine are 16k. Yea im makin money but i still get mad thinking that some scalping vendor is buying my items and then jacking the price 10 fold. but thats another rant of mine.
    Its time for the skilled merchants to retake control!
    Cheers to the Organized Vendor!!
     
  20. Calis M^N

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    i run a luna shop on europa... i will also be the first to admit i am not the cheapest by far... and since certain websites arent working... i have not seen a difference what i have noticed is an increase in players which has seen sales go up... old faces and new faces SA has brought people out of the wood work...

    so no i havnt seen a difference since these websites went... only since SA was announced!

    :D

    *also i always have well orginised vendors.. and if i cannot stock it i dont have a vendor for!

    eep better get stocking! :S
     
  21. Potgut

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    Yeah, I was going to mention a similar thing, maybe EA can somehow add its own search feature within the game or have its own search site. I mean, if others find a way around this again, which eventually, probably will, maybe EA can figure out a way to benifit from a similar feature, e.g. bring traffic to their store.

    One thing I like about the search sites is that it promotes prices reflected based on (for the most part) a Luna/Tokuno free market rather than a dominant few who determine and set prices.

    On the other hand, no search sites I think might entice more people to to sell in crowded banks like the old days.
     
  22. There is no dominance if the shopper well... shops around.
     
  23. Gheed

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    This is perfect example of poor vendoring. Search engines encourage this. You'll get a site that says "here! It's on this vendor!". You go to it and start popping open bags... it's in there somewhere. With search sites what's to stop folks from just filling up bags of random stuff. Sure there are folks that won't dig through it all to find what they want. But there are just as many.. if not more... that would.

    I'd like to see bags limited or not allowed at all. But what to do with the items that are so large they take up the entire pack... or sorting reagents? I'd also like to see empty vendors (or those that havent sold anything in a long time)... realize they are wasting their lives standing there selling nothing... give up and walk on to greener pastures.

    This expansion was a big boost to crafting. But for mechanting it is a little tougher. There are tons more items people desire but keeping stock requires even more effort. If you were already strained stocking previous items, you may have to stop selling one thing to start selling another.
     
  24. XLaCeDX

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    By using these search sites you are supporting cheating.

    I am not 'super' surprised to hear that you do. I play Pac.

    People with Luna City vendors only made half what they normally do because due to Mythic applying several NEEDED patches to the game they couldn't rely on the normal cheat engines to advertise their shops/wares for them?

    Maybe for the convenience of lazy ass Luna City vendor house owners/vendors and shoppers such as yourself Mythic should never patch UO again?

    I really don't understand why Stratics evens allows the Mention of search websites since they can not operate without using unapproved programS that break the TOS.
     
  25. SchezwanBeefy

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    Excuse me, but by no means am I endorsing cheating. These are just scripts that show prices. That's it.
    I can't even run UOA on my computer because I own a mac that doesn't run it. I don't PVP (yet) and I have never BOUGHT a single piece of gold for IRL cash. I think there are very few people left in this game that can say that.
    Obviously I'm not a lazzy ass shopper, either, as I mentioned I ran around in Luna, the Zento and Tram for a 110 or 115 tactics powerscroll for over 2 hours. I looked on hundreds of vendors. And guess what... none of them had them.
    I think there's absolutely no problem with having something that makes shopping a lot easier in UO. Neither did the hundreds of people using those sites. I didn't say the site names, and even if I did... obviously they're no use to anyone now.
     
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    Like I said would happen, here comes the script users out of the woodwork to try and justify their actions.
     
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    Yup. When was the last time you walked into a store IRL and saw that kind of disorganization.
    No store IRL could survive and UO vendors are nothing more than virtual stores selling pixels instead of tangible goods.
     
  28. onthefifty

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    i'm wondering if anyone is seeing a negative impact on pricing. with the vendor site it was easy to have a good turnover at a high price as people are generally lazy, search the site and cherry pick.

    with no vendor sites and things having time to sit on vendors for longer periods, coupled with players going full out into the new expansion, vendor fees tend to get expensive. As such one would be willing to cut prices just to get some merchandise moving.

    or maybe everyones' so bloody rich that it doesnt matter.

    discuss...
     
  29. Black Sun

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    The other thing is when someone stocks a vendor in grid view of the enhanced client, and never thinks to check how it looks to those of us using the classic client, or legacy backpacks. Large piles of items and containers do not make for a pleasant shopping experience.
     
  30. UOKaiser

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    I've increased the price. Without the vender sites nobody can find the cheapest price so they end up hitting the vender that they find what they looking for first. I increased the price for other reasons as well but this works out well.
     
  31. Black Sun

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    Even when those sites were working I undercut the competition on my luna vendor by about 50%. If the average price of an item was a mil, I'd usually sell it for about 500k. I figure that way I am almost guaranteed to sell my item before competitors, and someone is going to get a great deal. So, personally, I haven't seen any negative impact on my sales.
     
  32. kokopelli

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    As a seller: business is very good.
    It's almost back to the good old times before the search engines - vendor location is everything again now because a lot ppl are too lazy to go looking and compare prices for hours to find the cheapest.

    As a buyer: business is bad.
    These days one really needs to rework a lot suits and buying/finding new matching armor parts/jewels without the search engines is almost impossible...

    Overall because I sell more than I buy I hope the search engines are down for a long time...
     
  33. SchezwanBeefy

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    Sounds like capitalism runs in game and out!
     
  34. Black Sun

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    I don't see how those sites being down makes it like the old days again. People are still crowding around Luna and vendors in other areas are still struggling for the most part.

    The only thing that will make it like the good old days is Luna houses being relocated to a less concentrated area.
     
  35. Calis M^N

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    this is something i don't like and not because im exspensive because i still sell... but why do that?? you cheapen your hard work and everyone elses!

    as iv said before in a few posts i am by far not the cheapest... and i would not bow to preasure of people who purposly undercut...

    i mean those kind of vendors have their place... its how many of the more pricy shops get their stock.

    plus the people my vendors are aimed at arent the ones who like to stand at luna bank for a day wasting play time by spamming, but the ones who know they can go to my vendor get what they need and get to actually playing a the game....
    thats no offence to anyone who does spam! :D
    anway thanks for listening!
     
  36. kokopelli

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    Sorry, let me clarify what I meant: I was only talking about Luna business - specifically the areas covered by the search engines; outside Luna area (or to be more exact outside "search engine area" business is almost dead anyways).

    With the search engines making the sale in Luna is still a challenge: its not enough to steal the item from some cheap vendor and resell it at your high priced vendor; if you dont have a good price ppl simply wont buy because the search engines easily show them the location of cheaper alternatives.

    Without the search engine vendor location is a very important factor again - you can price your items very high if you are in the right location you will sell easily (as long as you dont overprice too much); doesnt matter that the guy in backrow 2 screens away has the same items for halve the price... 90% of the ppl are in a hurry and wont see the other one.
     
  37. Black Sun

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    No, I don't cheapen anything. I don't play UO to get items, never have, never will. Most of the stuff I sell I get by luck or I craft it myself. Crafted items, I am on par with most other vendors, but I don't sell them in Luna, so that really doesn't come into play here. But items I place on my luna vendor are usually artifacts I've picked up by chance, items I've aquired with little/no value to me, or drops I got by chance while fighting someplace I would have been hunting regardless of a chance of a reward.

    I really don't mind if other more expensive vendors are using my vendor to stock their own. I'm happy to let them. Bottom line is, let's say I get a arti drop that I don't need/want for myself. I can do a number of things with that item. I can trash it. (Stupid option, nobody benefits) I can keep it in a box taking up space at my house. (again, nobody benefits) I can put it on a vendor for the same price as everyone else is charging, (I pay vendor fees until it sells which may take weeks or more depending on the item, but in the end I get gold and someone gets the item), or I can sell it for half of what others charge. (in which case I get gold, save vendor fees and someone gets an item and a good deal).

    I work in retail every day selling prescription eyewear, and try to use the same principle there. If I buy a frame and place it on the shelf for sale at the same price as my competitiors, it may sit there for awhile waiting to sell, because John Doe is closer to my competitiors shop and there's no real reason for him to drive to my shop. Now if I can sell him the same frame as my competitor is offereing but he saves 50-100 bucks he's got a reason to travel a little to buy my item. And once that item sells I now have a free space to place another item to sell.

    So what other vendors make in one sale, it may take me 2 or 3, but over time I will turn more inventory and pay less out in vendor fees and hopefully bulid up a return customer base who comes back again and again looking for bargins.
     
  38. guum

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    I have mixed feelings about the search sites going down...it's definitely bad for my merchanteering, but it does make shopping a bit more of a "wonder what i'll find" kind of experience.

    On the other hand, finding PSes for my new gargoyle (even just plain old 110s) is a serious pain. I spent an hour this morning looking for 110 or 115 magery, eval, mysticism, and med on Luna vendors, as well as various vendors I have runes to, and found NONE of them.
     
  39. kokopelli

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    That's not the fault of the search engines - or lack thereof.
    That's simply because of the scroll binders and ppl now stockpiling their low end scrolls.
    I do the same - I used to throw all the low end scrolls I get cheap on a vendor to get rid of them... now I collect them and bind them together.
     
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    That's because nobody is selling them, they're binding them together to get 120's that will sell for a higher price.
     
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    Now that we have scrollbinders, 110s and 115s will be hard to come by. At least for a while. Odds are most vendors pulled them to see how binders were going to fare. In time a few will get tired of traking and filling binders. And offer smaller scrolls of popualr skills again. Probably at a higher price (> 1/nth of a 120).
     
  42. Calis M^N

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    if vendor outside the luna area arent doing well its because they aint trying to be a store very well.. i ran a very good moonglow shop... and all i had to do was gate an hour a night and drop runes in the morning and and afternoon,
    the main reason i chose to move to luna was because i wanted to play the game more as well as trade, so luna was the way i could do that as i wouldnt need to advertise as much.

    as for exspensive vendors not doing well... outside of luna it is absolute rubbish!
    if you want to run a set of vendors properly there are 3 main things you need no matter where your vendors are

    1: stock - the things that bring people back... you could sell potions at 200gp per pot as long as your stocked they will return!

    2: advetise - doesnt matter if your in luna, in the middle of yew woods or tokuno if you dont tell people about your shop they wont look at it. and always have a rune vendor! which can double up as a bank as it should only cost you 60gp a day so very good for keeping gold on! (i used to lock it down and forgot to lock down 100m at the tim was half my gold ) so i started keeping gold on a vendor

    3: Presentable - keeo your vendors neat and obvious. if you have a vendor called artifacts have artifacts dont have resources and other stuff on it.. also dont over fill lthem make sure you have trhem stocked but if th look a mess most people will close them.. stocking in new enchanted client also is a bad idea... but if you have to then just be mindful that it may look rubbish! and most of all DO NOT have empty vendors!

    ........................................................................................................................

    you will notice not one of my 3 points of runnign a vendor include cheap prices or undercutting compitition! people will shop at vendors they like regardless!

    i am not saying these thigns are what everyone or every shard needs! but in my experience is these things help


    thanks :D
     
  43. guum

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    Why? You need like 3.4 billion 110s to get to a 120. I'd happily pay 200k each for those scrolls right now just to get them out of the way. That's way more than all of them (even magery) are going to sell for once they're finally bound to a 120.

    Also, I'd just like to point out that this would seem to be a very negative side-effect of the scroll binder inanity. How the heck are new players going to get 110s and 115s now? And there's no way they can afford 120s, and with the number of scrolls required to bind to get to a 120, they'll be waiting ages before they can get over 105.
     
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    Star Wars Galaxies -- Bazaar system. Great model for all MMORPGs.
     
  45. Black Sun

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    I never said it was logical. Of all my characters only one is scrolled to 120 in anything and that's my tamer. The rest are perfectly happy with their 110s and 115s.

    You just have to understand the mentality of (most) scroll vendors.

    "I can only get 5k for this 110 that not many people will be interested in, or I can bind a truckload of them together to get a 120 eventually, and everyone wants 120s. They sell for 500k each! I'm gonna be rich!!"

    Notice the failure to acknowledge that not everyone can afford or is willing to pay 500k for that 120? That's where they fail. Once the initial rush is over I think we'll see things return more or less to where they were before.
     
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    This is all so true. But it should be easy for the vendor to restock. Especially for pots, rune and scroll vendors... stuff like that. For this I would like to vendors save a configuration. You would spend time carefully organizing and pricing things and save it. From that point just drop restock items on the vendor and they will be automatically placed and priced.
     
  47. Beer_Cayse

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    same here. if you don't mark the bag, I go elsewhere. most of my business is to the non-Luna folks as Luna ones generally do NOT mark the vendors or packs.
     
  48. Calis M^N

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    yea those people annoy me! my vendors are orginised and sorted... kinda hehe been a bitty laxed more than normal but... will get back to it soon gonna be a daddy again so been busy! :)
     
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    Sure they do. Here's an example of what you find.

    Vendor Name: Sally's Shop
    Shop Name: Pretty Things!!

    Thank's Sally, you've been a real help. I'm taking this rune on the ground and going to Bob's Reagent Emporium. He's got a vendor named Black Pearl there who doesn't use unlabeled bags.
     
  50. Mythic's DAoC has a vendor search option that searches every vendor from one location and also allows you to buy that item without having to go to the vendor to buy it.

    Ever since then I have waited for UO to do that, relocate vendors away from Luna and back into the wilds of the lands like they used to be.

    I don't think we will ever see it.

    I hated the script program, but I needed that Luna vendor search, I haven't and will not buy a thing from Luna until that search is up again. It's just a waste of my time to search those vendors.