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I thought it was bad on Europa but Atlantic easily surpasses it.

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  1. Bobar

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    My accounts are Europa based and I really only play there but I do have a char on Atlantic and I went there to see the Easter Squirrel. For a long time now I have objected to the language used in Europa's General chat channel and some time ago I moved to the Help channel which is much less used by the trash talkers. While on Atlantic I thought I would take a few minutes to look round with my undeveloped mage. As I do not use the char much it was in General chat and if I thought Europa was bad, this chat was unbelievable, constant obscene language and references to mothers and the like. I did what I did on Europa and switched to the Help Channel. If it is possible that was worse. How do the normal players on Atlantic cope with this, it was just constant and unending. I have spent time in the Army and am used to that sort of vocabulary being used but for Gods sake this is a game and a game where women and children play too. The players participating obviously have no consideration for others whatsoever. This kind of behavior is a disgrace to the Atlantic shard. It is of course a disgrace on any shard but I have never seen anything like how it was tonight. There may be a time and a place for it but I feel that place is not UO. Seems to me there is a good case for GMs to check the chat channels now and then.
     
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    Well said. Long time problem. It's bad when it spreads into the Help channel (never realized it was THAT bad). All I can suggest is to use the page feature. It should be cut and dry infractions based on what you are saying.
     
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    I've been standing here on Atlantic for the past....20 minutes? Or so...maybe....the only thing that bothers me is the spammers....*Selling XXX item* over and over and over...and over and over...and over and over......AND THEN...if that's not bad enough....if you ASK...*how much for XXX item?* THEY DONT ANSWER! They just keep spamming! WHAT???

    >.<
     
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    You don't HAVE to be on a chat channel to play UO, you can just leave it off. :wink:
     
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    Try the Help channel on Atlantic. It's truly disgusting.
     
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    This legitimate issue will continue to fall on deaf ears.
     
  7. Christina Kardos

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    Wow! Hold on a sec, are you saying men can handle foul language and women cant? Are you saying that women are the "weaker" gender in need of protection?

    You probably havent met some of the women I have :p

    Foul language tolerance isnt affected by gender differences you know...
     
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    So the answer is to punish the people who follow the rules? Here is a thought. Punish the people who BREAK the rules!!!!!!!!!! A new concept for UO to be sure. Because if/when most of the "rule followers" get tired of all the S**T and pack it in, I would bet that UO will not have enough cheaters and idiots left to support the game.
     
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    Lol, I saw no mention of anyone being "weaker". It is a simple matter of manners, being civil and polite. Too bad too many of the "kids" that play UO did not have parents that taught them these values. Not to mention the anonymity of being behind a keyboard brings out the absolute worst in some people, they feel at liberty to say things, that if said to someones face, would most likely get their teeth knocked out for them, and they know it.

    And yup, I too have met some women that could make you blush, Maybe. lol
     
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    If you see/hear two people yelling at each other in a foul language, on the street, in real life, do you:

    a. Walk up to the couple and interfere; teaching them not to talk to each other in such language.

    b. Call the police.

    c. Stay foot and witness the arguing, in disgust, just to go home and ***** about it on a social media.

    d. Move on, minding your own business, enjoy the sun and the birds singing and use your freedom to do whatever you like, to have a good day.
     
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    The problem is the same on LS too. To avoid it turn off chat which I do. They should clean up the problem but never happen
     
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    I'm a fan of the ignore feature... I know it's a lot to weed out people, but it's generally the same group daily. If you ignore a few people every day... in a week, you will probably have cleaned up your chat to the point where this is no longer an issue. Hope this helps you out! Luckily... this is rare on Legends, where I mostly play. I am, however, starting to play on Atlantic more and more... so I find that this helps a lot!
     
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    It surprises me that people continue to be surprised by the vulgarity of in-game chat. This kind of stuff goes on in most games. The PvP scene in UO was effectively built and sustained on trash talk even before we had a proper chat system.
     
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    I, personally, like when men try to "tone it down" around women. I consider it a sign of respect, not a sign they think we are weaker. I also, like to see women and girls behave a little "classier", and not swear like sailors. I cringe and find it overly offensive when particular words are used, namely ones that start with p and c.

    I understand that not all females are the same, and not all are sensitive to it, but I definitely would not take offense to men who try to be gentlemen. There are frankly, not enough of them left. ... Don't scold the ones who are trying to be! ^_^
     
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    There are a few people who use awful language on Atlantic Help channel. Once you put those few people on ignore, there is very little foul language. I know , I am on there a lot.
     
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    Probably the same kinda woman that hates it when a man holds a door for her. :p
     
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    Yeah.. I don't play in the chat channels, I feel it ruins gameplay. It's barely tolerable if you have to go in for something you need, or if you're looking for someone. But simply just visiting their house suffices instead of dealing with that. lol
     
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    i'd like to see a massive "Jail" for a loooong time!
    After 2/3 jail BAN!
    I play Atlantic and i dont join chat, but when i have to sell or buy something....omg....1 mil of bad words....absurd is the fact that nobody do anything...
    They care only of the monthly Subscription!
    I recently come back after 6/7 years
    Asked something to mesanna, nothing
    Asked something to other staff member, nothing
    i feel that i'll quit again...
     
  19. Bobar

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    Indeed you do not HAVE to use the chat channel but think on this. What I am referring to is the HELP channel, the channel intended for new players and where older ones can interact with them and help them get started. What a delightful introduction to UO for newbies to see the filth spilling forth there. I am fortunate enough to play on Europa where that channel is almost exclusively used for its intended purpose and several of us are often seen talking to the new ones. I feel sorry for the players on Atlantic who have to endure it if they wish to use a feature of the game.

    I was just visiting but so appalled by what I read that I felt compelled to register my disgust. Hence the original post, but I did fail to mention an upside to Atlantic I saw. The presence of a better calibre of player is evident by the books I saw on the ground entitled 'How Can We Help' I think it was. I took the time to read it and found it full of advice and help for all kinds of players from returnees to new. It was good to see and I applaud those who produced it and indeed, all who are mentioned within it..
     
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    Funny thing is......
    When I play on dead shards I actually miss Atlantics General chat channel
    Born and raised on Atlantic its just a given
    Fight the fights you can win.... I haven't enough game time to worry about the lil things
     
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    Chat on Atlantic is totally overrated. Theres always someone to talk to only couple screens away.
     
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    I wish! What shard are you on?
     
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    Hah, right. The "always" is a bit over the top. I'm on Atlantic, if your question was serious :p But generally speaking I don't have much problems running into other players randomly in twisted weald, at navrey and couple of other pvm spots. Then sometimes I look for players in old haven or at new haven bank or the like. So it's fairly easy for me to ignore the banter in GC and only look out for weaving focus or people calling to raid the spawn I'm working (more often they tend to raid first :D).
     
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    Sensitive and dramatic is no way to be if you play MMORPGS
    I play Atlantic 24/7 and chat is not that bad.
    Stick to the boards maybe?
     
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    I dont care that I cant enjoy general chat due to the language. I can use help. But its not fun to play when I feel ashame to be a part of the community that behaves like this. When returning people looks around to see if they want to start playing again. More adult this time, and sometimes thinking of starting to play with their kids. . How many paying and enjoying UO players turn around at the door? We need to attract and help our new and returning players but its hard when we have this garbage poured ower the screen all the time. I love the game ,been here non stop for ower 15 years so I wont quit , I know how to awoid it. But if I was thinking of starting up or just did..No way I would stay . I eould get such wrong picture of what UO really is.
     
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    I used to try and use chat, but I quickly got sick of the atmosphere and don't bother unless I need something specific... same reason I still am dragging my feet to try and attend EM events.

    It isn't the words that offend me... I have zero problem with cursing... it's the vileness that goes with it.
     
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    Hey mods
    Any reason the same small group of people can start this same exact topic every week but I can't for instance start a classic shard topic every week? A topic btw that has bearing on actual gameplay/mechanics and is not just drama?
    Chat can occasionally be bad but I know for a fact that on Atlantic it is only sporadic and most of the time it is very civilized.
    But every one of these threads over dramatizes everything and ends up degenerating into fools spouting internet law and talking about rl suicide.
    As mods you are cool with that?
    *shakes head*
     
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    Ironic that you judge people as fools etc. and in the same breath ask another set of people not to judge you or your threads......I lol'd
     
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    I stay in the general channel but I hardly look at it. Usually just scanning every so often for any deals. If i am playing, I am usually in Vent with the people I play with so general chat is less of a necessity.
     
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    Huh?
    Where did I ask anyone to not judge me?
    You really have comprehension issues, no offense.
    Did you not notice that I used classic shard as an example? Hence the phrase 'for instance'
    Do you know what an example is?
    Go ahead and search my posts and see if I once started a thread about it.
    How can I personally have asked to not be judged on something I never posted about?

    Either way I think I missed your explanation of why the exact same gen chat thread can be started every week?
    ??

    Good thing you are not an impartial mod or your reply to my post sure would be cause for alarm.
    lol'd at my post after reading it wrong?
     
  31. Bobar

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    I might have known you would be chipping in with your usual inaccurate summation. However I would point out that I am singular and not a group of people. On the same note I have never posted once on this topic on UOHall let alone every week.

    As to your question, having never read a post regarding a classic shard (due to my total lack of interest) but as one does not exist it is difficult to see how it has a bearing on actual gameplay. It interesting that you regard obscene chat as drama and says a lot for your interpretation of it. I bow to your superior knowledge of the usual chat on Atlantic but as a casual visitor I must judge by what I saw, which did not fall within my interpretation of civilized, quite the opposite in fact. My conclusion was that it was uncivilised, obscene and excessive. As to your final sentence, once again it illustrates your mindset. A post has become 'these threads' and has suddenly obtained a multiple existence. Objecting to obscenity is 'over dramatising' it. Once again anyone who does not conform to your ideas are 'fools'. I see nothing about internet law or suicide, did you pluck these from the ether to prove your point? (whatever that is).

    Could I ask you to refrain from giving your interpretation of my posts, inserting things which are not within it and generally misquoting as I have better things to do than point out your misconceptions.
     
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    You amuse me.
     
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    Btw, who judges an entire shard in "a few minutes" ??
    That more than anything else speaks volumes about the real issue here lol.
    Going on to reference rl army service along with women and children is just the icing on the cake.
     
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    Oh Dear! here we go again, I do wish you would engage brain before posting. Where in the post is ANY suggestion of making a judgement on a complete shard?. I made a post about an aspect of the shard, a single feature, a one-off part, please absorb what is actually said not your version of it. Also if you look in a later post you will also find I praised another aspect of the shard, are you suggesting that was incorrect?. For your enlightenment I can tell you that the phrase 'take a few minutes' does not mean necessarily a few, it can mean as long as is necessary to do what you want to do.

    I can make no sense at all of your second sentence or what it is supposed to mean. The real issue for me was the language being used on both channels although I suppose that does speak volumes about those using it.

    If you fail to see the relevance of the other two items then I despair for you but I fail to see the relevance of icing on the cake, still, as always, your phrasing is difficult to understand.
     
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    LS isn't anywhere near as bad as Atl, trust me. I've been on both servers. I still go to Atl on occasion, if I need to buy stuff/have it moved to LS, or if I'm working a char. Every time I do either, I remember why I hate it over there.

    In all honesty, only a few people are ignore-worthy on LS, which is usually quiet. It is also just as easy to get them to shut up by reminding them that they died to me when I was outnumbered (yesterday, it was a 2v1 against two archers. I killed both of them, then a 3rd archer came in & I didn't want to bother anymore - once the other two came out of stat, it was gonna be difficult for me. I killed her with ease later 2x, she agreed to fight me in the Ocllo Arena.) The best part of that: I had no pots on me. To their credit: If I weren't a parry scribe, I wouldn't have won. Even with it, I was close to dying a few times.

    What annoys me more are b) the ones who have to bring up rl (whether true or not) into the trashtalk and b) the people who whine about the trash talk in gen chat. The latter group could solve their problems simply by putting people on ignore or going to a different channel.
     
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    "You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy."
     
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    What I find interesting is that all the people in charge of running this are not commenting on this like they do everything else hah! The person that started this thread I agree with you. I make good use of the ignore feature under options bottom right tab. =] Paging Gm's does absolutely nada! Sorry for your experience on ATL =[
     
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    I spend most of my playing time in the Atlantic help channel. There are a couple guys who keep trying to top each other with the mom jokes. For some reason they think it's hilarious (I guess if you're an adolescent and living with your mom). I just ignore them. It really doesn't go on all the time. Most of the time people are asking and answering game questions, and even these joker characters drop their comedy routine to answer questions to help new players. One of the guys is the one who supposedly was banned and then unbanned and we had a thread arguing about it that got deleted, and I don't want this comment deleted too, so I'll leave it at that. But it's really not that bad most of the time.
     
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    kind of agree with christina, now im sorry if i offend by my next observation, on europa the worst chat starts after the schools are out and people in pvp.
    and hey what is so wrong being new? never understood that. and if you are killed do what i do, says yes seems you are better than me
    we have long asked for a pvp channel but seems it gets no closer
     
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    You know, sadly that line just about sums up what I think of the current state of the game - hardly an inspiring slogan but it's pretty much how things stand nowadays, not that bad most of the time but sometimes pretty damn awful.

    It could be so much better if the people running it ever kept their word, enforced their own rules rather than made up excuses why they 'can't do anything', seriously thought through the implications of their ideas and systems, or genuinely conversed with the playerbase rather than telling us what we want because 'they know best' and then failing to even read, let alone understand, most of what we say to them - but doing things right is never cheaper than pretending it's all marvellous, so the chance of any real progress is pretty much nil now.
     
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    That's just it. All of the pvp'ers know one another. Some are complete morons with more mouth than sense, but it's human nature to talk **** in a competitive environment, whether we're spewing complete BS or not. People who don't pvp don't understand that. They complain about the gen chat wars...for what? Is it really that detrimental to their pvm'ing or bank sitting? If they're selling something or trying to buy something, ok. It can be annoying when the chat scrolls their messages & the other person can't see them. I will, however, stop if someone asks a question or has something I want to buy, then continue.

    There are very few people in UO I won't trash talk. A lot of that is because they kick my ass HARD, but it's just as much because I respect the hell out of their ability. I'm FAR more likely to do it to specific people & whoever starts it first (morons who brag after winning a 3v1, even though I'd EASILY kill all 3 if they didn't run or hide/stealth on me.) If they keep their mouth shut after the fight is over, I will do the same. If the fight was fun as hell, I'll say so, and I've even asked when we can do it again, or if we can continue it.
     
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    I figure if people really have a problem with it they can turn off gen chat...switch channels...etc.. There is a trade channel no one uses for bank sitting. Leave the gen chat for the pvpers...I dont participate on Alt...but I do occasionally on my shard.. but it can be fun to sit and follow the trash at times...and if it gets to much...I can choose to turn it off
     
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    I've done the same (both turning it off & telling people to leave.) They complain even more when I tell them they can leave gen chat. I've also suggested that they try spending 5-10 minutes on Atl. Lake Superior is little league compared to that.
     
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    1. you can make your own chat channel
    2. you can ignore people
    3. you can report people
    4. you can join any other chat channel
    5. you dont have to play ATL or any shard for that matter
    6. You want the devs to work on bugs or other peoples social/language issues?

    For as long as ive played the gen chat area on any shard has the possibility of going south really quick. You have options to deal with it. I feel that most people that have a problem with the gen chat on atl fall under the "howard Stern" syndrome. You absolutely hate it but you cant turn it off...
     
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    Ignoring a problem doesn't actually make said problem not a problem.

    The devs wouldn't be the ones enforcing rules (ToS/RoC), that would be the GMs. So implying that it would take resources away from other areas of the game is hyperbolic at best.
     
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    my point wasnt that the gen chat abuse wasnt a problem. It was simply that there are multiple ways to deal with the problem already in the game.
     
  47. datoken

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    I have just recently returned to playing after a 2 year hiatus and I have to agree, Atlantic has always been my primary shard.. and I just have to turn the chats off unless necessary..
    It's a constant bather of nonsense, spam, and profanity. now I am not appalled by profanity for the most part.. I use it frequently myself, but not on a public chat or forum.. so I know that if I am offended.. there's many out there

    From what I remember from playing before, it was bad then too, just a new generation of terms and trolling.. smh
     
  48. Dot_Warner

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    Again, ignoring a problem doesn't make it go away. Denial isn't the answer.

    General chat should be a useful in-game tool, not something to be avoided because a minority use it as their personal privy. God forbid a new player (we'll pretend those exist for argument's sake) sees how prevalent the abusive language is...will they want to stay once they realize that's the norm?

    The ignore list can quickly fill up once a person knows its there and how to work it. Ignoring a player, while useful, also comes with a whole host of downsides. Should they actually have something constructive to say, you'll never see it. Nor can you trade with them...not that you'd know to in the first place anyway.

    If @Mesanna really cared about making UO better, more newbie friendly, she'd realize that this head in the sand approach was costing the game dearly. Not bothering to enforce the ToS/RoC we all agreed to (multiple times) has allowed this situation to escalate unchecked for years. Simple enforcement would go a long, long way to making UO a more pleasant place to play.
     
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    I dont think Mes has stuck her head in the sand,... I think the powers to be have accepted the fact that this is the norm for Online gaming. Accepted it and moved on....You fight the fights that are worth fighting. This one isnt,... there are plenty of options available to those that have an issue with vocabulary used in gen chat.
     
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  50. Swt Lippy Hippy

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    Yes, unfortunately a few people *cough* must not of learned manners or have values and respect for others. Thanks for standing up for a true warrior. :)
     
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