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I want to add Resisting Spells

Discussion in 'UO Warrior' started by CorwinXX, Nov 26, 2011.

  1. CorwinXX

    CorwinXX Crazed Zealot
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    I have:
    sword
    tactics
    anatomy
    healing
    bushido
    chivalry
    (the cap is 700)

    I don't like those -24 dex curses so I'm going to add 120 resistings spells. What skills should I drop?
     
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    ack sorry I wasn't paying attention to what you originally posted. Disregard please.
     
  3. Klapauc

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    If that is a plain samurai without necro, your only option is to drop chiv for resist or do a complete rework to have something like this

    120 weapon
    120 bushido
    120 resist / parry
    90 tactics
    90 anat
    90 healing
    70 + x chiv

    Leafblade for feint and pots is optimal here, daisho is next best.
     
  4. CorwinXX

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    Could you explain me details?
    (What is the reason to keep bushido at 120 while dropping other skills?, ... etc)

    I used to fight with this char vs crowds (cavern, etc) and non-caster monsters (miasma, etc), weak caster monsters (dragons, etc). I tried Shame recently and she even is not able to kill monsters on 3rd level.


    p.s. Not all of skills are 120 at the moment. I even haven't got 120 PS for all of them (120 PS for Swords and Tactics and PS 115 for others).
     
  5. Klapauc

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    If you run a non necro char with bandage healing feint and confidence are incredible valuable when fighting hard mobs. Bushido ( or ninjitsu for feint ) as high as possible are reqiured. Also the mana,hp and stam you get back after you kill something you had honored are useful.
    I would choose fencing over swords here for leafblades, best weapon for such a char.
    If your only issue with casters is the stat reduction, you dont need resists. Use greater str/agil pots as everyone else in such situations.
    I would dump the resist and put the spare points into healing, anat and parry.
     
  6. CorwinXX

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    I already have 120 sword and I haven't money for switching to fencing (PS 120, weapon collection).

    I will try bokuto (although its 9-11 looks like a crap). What modes should I imbue on a bokuto?

    P.S. I've just trained chivalry to 85. Now I 'm able to kill elems on the third level but 1to1 only. (I have 850 luck on my suit and haven't any sash/apron/cloack, so my stats are pretty low).
     
  7. Obsidian

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    Try something like this:

    120 Weapon
    120 Bushido
    120 Resist or Anatomy
    115 Tactics
    99 Necromancy
    86 Chiv
    60 Parry

    I've was running the resist version in Shame, but went back to the anatomy version and it works better (even with the debuffs). You hit significantly harder and leech more as a result. I like the resist version better for necro casting mobs (like Doom and the Undead Champ Spawn). I'd put healing on a soulstone or throw it on another char (like a wraith thrower... Pun intended).
     
  8. Mirt

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    Obsidian I am not sure he is wanting to go with a sampire. If he does then he is in better shape. Of course there is one easy piece of advice that I can offer, enchanted apples. They will help fix your curse issues.
     
  9. CorwinXX

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    Yes, I don't want to use Necromancy on this char. May be sometime I create another char who will be Sampire.

    Also I don't want to have 60 parry for mana reduction only.
    Without parry I can use "can't be repair" shields from Shame. I think one with Soul Charge property gives me more mana plus additional useful modes like DI, DCI or FC.
    Also if I realize that I need mana reduction I could use some other skill (Ninjitsu, for example).


    I like idea to use potions/apples/etc. as a substitue for Resisting Spells. Could you give me more information on this topic (or a link)?

    1. What can I use?
    2. Effect (effect with Enhance Potions property)
    3. Limitation (cooldown etc)
     
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    Whoops, I missed that. Then, I recommend something like Klaupac's template above:

    120 Weapon
    120 Bush
    120 Resist
    100 Tactics
    100 Anatomy
    90 Healing
    70 Chiv +15 on a jewel

    It looks more like a PvP template to me, but it should be sufficiently versatile. If you can run 4/6 chiv casting then it should be interesting.
     
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    First , you can run those no repair shields from shame just fine with bushido and parry on char. I used one with 25% soulcharge quite alot against gazers and unbound vortexes and it didnt take a single point of damage.
    Against things that hit very hard physically, 120 ninjitsu can work much better then 120 bushido for such a char because of mirror images.


    Consumable you can use on such a char are

    Orange petals , auto cure poison up to lvl3
    Purple petals , give +5 str , dirt cheap buff and stacks with pots
    Enchanted apples to remove curse, cooldown 15? sec
    Refresh pots, refresh stamina, npc bought ones for 15 gold work good enough, no cooldown
    Greater strength / agility , +20 str / dex for 2 minutes, increases with ep, npc variant does +15 stat and is sufficient in most cases

    Greater heal pots, 10 sec cooldown
    Greater confusion blast, monsters ( except peerless and champs) drop aggro for a short moment, very helpful if used at the right moment , cooldown around 30 sec, can be used without free hand
    Greater cure for poison, no cooldown
    Trap box against para
    Invis pots, but they fail alot, useful at navrey and stygian dragon
    Humans and gargs can also have a blessed healing stone in pack, helps a bit after rezz

    If you have trouble in shame , drop your luck suit and use something with decent stats, a lot of mobs there have a difficulty not far from champs or peerless, its also not always possible to fight only one at a time.
     
  12. Mirt

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    If your running bushido with parry and are holding a shield you should drop parry. Those points would be far better spent and you’re never going to parry that way, or at least so rarely as to make it a waste of points.
     
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    You do not parry with a shield if you got bushido, but from my experience those sheilds with 25% soulcharge are worth using now and then because you get a ton more mana to use for armor ignores. And you still get the mana discount.
     
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    i count 6 skills..
    all of them dont need to be 120s.
    you can run with 90 healing and 85 chiv.
    then add your resist.
     
  15. Mirt

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    Then like I said drop parry.
     
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    Then like I said drop parry.
     
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    Im talking about those shields with 25% soulcharge, mana increase and mr4. They make a big difference when doing chain ai with a leafblade, but are a disadvantage when attacked by more then 2 strong monsters because parry may be better then. Use them when helpful, drop them if not. Not need to drop parry in such a scenario.
    Also what would you suggest as a replacement for 75 parry that gives mana discount and a use in pvm if you are already at 120 tactics/anat ?
     
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    Thank you very much.

    Is Greater Cure able to cure Deadly Poison?

    It seems that I can't use Greater Healing right after I've got healed by a spell.
     
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    I've just tried a bokuto and I like how it works. In spite of it is cheap "for test only" one with DI/HML/HSL/HLL/HF.

    I'm going to make a bokuto with DI/HML/HSL/Elemental Slayer. I'm not sure about the last property. I'll most likely go with HLD or HCI (I have 33 HCI without weapon).
    Does hit fireball disturb monsters casting?

    As to skills I'm going to try fight without Resisting Spells. With bokuto I don't worry about being cursed for -24 dex. Also I want to get +100% damage bonus from Chivalry (not just 50%) so I need 120.
    Also I'm going to drop DEX to 115 and up STR to 125.

    At the moment I have:
    Sword 120
    Tactics 109/120
    Anatomy 115/115
    Healing 94/115
    Bushido 107/120 (how to train it???)
    Chivalry 94/115
    Total 639/700
     
  20. Mirt

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    Depends on your temp the OP doesn't have parry if you list your skills I could take a look. CorwinXX it depends theoretically yes it can but I would use cleanse if you have chiv.
     
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    Momentum strike. Uoguide says lightning strike will also work.
     
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    Momentum strike is faster but lightning strike will get you there. Eventually.
     
  23. CorwinXX

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    Using a bokuto (Elemental Slayer/45 DI/12 HCI/44 HML/40 HSL) and a shield (25 Soul/110 luck/20 HCI) I can kill Wind Elementals on the 5th level. Although I still need to get used to maintain 3 short-duration buffs (Feint, Healing and Concentrate Weapon).

    How can I use bushido to kill faster/safer? It looks "not so useful" for me right now. Confidens doesn't heal me (exept I run away from monsters). I haven't time for LS (to get 20% critical) because I use Feint. Perfection gives me very small damage bonus since I already have 100% from Slayer and almost 100% from Chivalry (when I got 120).

    I'm thinking about
    120 sword
    100 tactics
    100 anatomy
    90 healing
    120 chivalry
    50 bushido
    120 some other skill (Resists/Parry/Nunjitsu/....)

    Does it have a sence?

    Edited:
    From the other side, when I fight Miasma Confidence is my main healing skill. Can apples remove Mortal Strike effect?
     
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    Thank you for usable info.
     
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    P.S. I got +1 Bushido (up to 108) yesterday using Momentum Strike on Unbounded Energy Vortexes)
     
  26. Mirt

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    Here is the math rub with what you’re trying to do. If you choose to run with parry confidence will heal you much more. In fact you get a nice sized bonus every time you successfully parry. That being said if you run parry with bushido and you run a shield you’re not going to parry much at all. I am not sure why you are not noticing the bonus's from perfection, but my best advice is to try not honoring something and see how that goes. Those critical strikes are a huge difference. Another word of advice is evasion. Use of this stance can really help if you know when to use it. In fact it’s the only way to avoid magic effects in game. Now if you really want to run the shield you are going to need to pick if you think you’re going to do better as a paladin I would dump the bushido and go with that. Is that temp generally as successful in pvm? Well no but if that’s the temp that works for you go with it. Most people consider the ability to drop the shield with bushido a boon as it will allow you to parry with two handed weapons (which in many ways are great) or stay one handed and chug. My honest recommendation is that it doesn't seem like you like bushido and should therefore drop it. That’s the great thing about having open temps; you don't have to do anything. Will you be running the most effective temp out there? Well no but that doesn't really matter. If it works for you and what you want to do then go for, that’s the heart of what makes UO what it is.
     
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    At 120 bushido Confidence heals 1-10 hp on successful parry.
    It works great in a crowd of weak monsters. Before I soulstoned parry my char used to do Caverns using Confidence as only healing source.
    But whem moster hits you for 20-30 hp it doesn't help. After you have been hit for 25 damage you have 35-40% chance to get 5 hp back on the next hit... and 60-65% chance to lose addit 25 hp.
    Although with Feint it looks slightly better.

    I want to use shield to get additional mods. You can get Soul Charge 25% + Damage Eater 15% + DCI 20% + some stats/regens/resists from a shield. Also you can get FC 1, SSI 10%, DI 30% on a shield.
     
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    I know three ways to get damage bonus:
    Super Slayer 100%
    Bushido 100%
    Chivalry 100% (15% + 82%)

    Since there's a cap you need two of them only. But every method has its own drawbacks so having all three doesn't hurt.

    My damage vs Vortexes is about 50 - with or without honor. I'm able to kill them 1vs1 but it takes a lot of time. The main problem - I miss a lot. I already have 45% HCI and 120 sword. I believe I should add HLD but don't know where I could add it. Right now I got Slayer/DI/HCI/HML/HSL on my weapon. And I haven't 12 mil for Mace&Shield.
     
  29. Mirt

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    Well many of us put HCI and DCI on jewels so there is space for mods on our weapons. There is also a huge initial healing burst from confidence. Whirlwind damage is directly impacted by your bush skill. As are a few of the weapon specials. If your not seeing a difference in your play style then drop it. That being said I can tell you that if your willing to build the suit it gives you tons of advantages. There is also evade. I also find use it the ability to control a lesser. That being said there is no one temp that is supreme. You should run what you like and what you know. For me I can solo those unbound energy vortex’s with no problem quicker then one with a disco bard and 2 tamers. So far for testing I am not even using a slayer for that. My lowest hits without honor are in the 40’s but with honor I am hitting in the 60’s and of course my AI just hits for much higher with honor. Its all about choosing what works for you though.
     
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    I'd try doing Slayer/DI/HCI/HML/HLD instead if you have the relics to spare. You can carry total refresh potions or use your Divine Fury to replenish stamina. I'd then start working on getting the 12 mil to buy the glasses. If you turn-in NPC battle axes instead it should only cost about 2.5 - 3 million total, I believe. The problem is respawn rate and possible carpal tunnel syndrome. I got mine by farming champ spawns in Fel for SOTs. The virtue artifact drops are a bonus as they can be turned in for 1500 clean up points, some unravel to relics, or perhaps sold to players as well.
     
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    It takes forever this way. It is cheapest with books but let me tell you the savings do not pan out you will be spending all day and night doing this.
     
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    I didn't know the Warrior could accept any books. Regardless, to get to 800,000 contribution points you have to contribute 88,889 battle axes or bucklers. Doing this without illegal scripting would not be something I'm capable of. For what it's worth, I turned in about 3000 battle axes before I gave up and went for gold.

    That's why I advocate finding something ppl will buy (like animal taming SOTs) and then using the more expensive turn-in of 12 million gold.
     
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    Bingo! Pretty much the same thing happened to me as well.