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Idea for Future place for Minax Arties drop after the invasion end

Discussion in 'UHall' started by Quickblade, Nov 6, 2013.

  1. Quickblade

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    Void pool would be a good place to drop these minax arties in the future. The more waves and far you reach in the void pool, the more chance the minax arties would drop, could be like 10% chance to drop for each 10 waves, so basically, if someone would reach waves number 100+, one minax arty would certainly drop each wave among all attackers. It would absolutly repopulate the void pool which have almost been forgotten.

    Examples [EDITED]: [Or it could be as simple as 1% drop for each additional wave]

    Waves number 1-10 = 1% chance for minax arty for each starting waves.
    Waves 11-20 = 10% chance that one would drop in each of these waves.
    Waves 21-30= 20%
    Waves 31-40= 30%
    Waves 41-50= 40%
    Waves 51-60= 50%
    Waves 101-110+, there will be 100% chance to drop one arty/wave among all attackers. And for each other 10 waves, add a second arty drop among all attackers.
     
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  2. Cogniac

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    I feel like I do not fully understand your mathematics. If we extrapolate upward from your first two tiers with your idea of "2% chance to drop for each 10 waves," we get this progression:
    1. Waves 1-10 = 0% chance for Minax artifact drop
    2. Waves 11-20 = 2%
    3. Waves 21-30 = 4%
    4. Waves 31-40 = 6%
    5. Waves 41-50 = 8%
    6. Waves 51-60 = 10%
    7. Waves 61-70 = 12%
    8. Waves 71-80 = 14%
    9. Waves 81-90 = 16%
    10. Waves 91-100 = 18%
    11. Waves 101-110 = 20% != 50%
    12. Waves 111-120 = 22%
    13. Waves 121-130 = 24%
    14. Waves 131-140 = 26%
    15. Waves 141-150 = 28%
    16. Waves 151-160 = 30%
    17. Waves 161-170 = 32%
    18. Waves 171-180 = 34%
    19. Waves 181-190 = 36%
    20. Waves 191-200 = 38%
    21. Waves 201-210 = 40% != 100%
     
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  3. Quickblade

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    Yes my bad At first my idea was 5% for each 10 waves ,then I changed and edited it and forgot to edit the rest lol. Well 10% for each 10 waves would fit better i finally think.
     
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    I like the idea but no way would I stay and fight so many waves just to get a 1x minor artie. Then have to repeat 100x to get the "best" stuff (Blackthorn items). Toooooo much of a grind.
     
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    It's a great idea to put them in the Void Pool. But I would have them drop a bit more often than you suggest.
     
  6. Quickblade

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    I just edited : what about 10% for each 10 waves, which means after 100 waves, theres one drop guaranteed among all attacker.
     
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    Grinding the same old same old gets stale so I don't agree with limiting it to one area.

    Why not put a minor drop on most of the big bosses? We can do a drop for doom, peerless, champs, void pool, exodus, and whatever that thing in despise is. We can even get about the same drop rate in ilsh for the minors. On top of that how about letting the govs get together and pick 1 set city to keep this in the original form.

    Why not put a minor as some silly high point reward in cleanup points so those that don't feel like fighting nonstop can do other things to earn one? Bod reward?

    Think outside the box here before something is set in stone.
     
  8. DJAd

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    Stick them in Doom. Each room contains the spawn. Once all the rooms have been cleared the captains spawn. The captains appear where the dark fathers are currently. Defeat the captains you get a minor arty. This would also take ages though if it still requires 100 minors to get a decent blackthorn item. Maybe the could ditch the minor arties and just make it dorp blackthorn items directly without having to trade in?
     
  9. MalagAste

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    I'd prefer a revamp of Deceit...... no one ever goes there...

    Or they could put them in Illsh or the LL's.... long as they don't try to make it yet another Fel only thing.... I hate that.... We already know from YEARS of experience that trying to "lure" people to Fel does NOT work..... what happens when they make things Fel only is the big fel guilds (who by the way often run the illegal search sites).... get rich off it and no one new bothers to go to Fel and try to get anything because they know better.
     
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    Agreed, why revamp a revamped dungeon when there's plenty of dungeons that are untouched. Don't forget about good ol' Hythloth.

    EDIT: Not only that, but these minax arties aren't just for turning in... they can be good loot itself. We've been asking for more ways to get 'clean' arties. I myself have gotten several lesser arties (minax) that, if the stats were better, I would have kept.
     
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    I would like to see the Minax arties drop in a few post-invasion encampments of Minax followers. I think putting them in Ilshenar as a refuge makes sense. I also would recommend they keep the invasion flavor by putting them in a non-aligned town such as Cove (both Fel and Tram). This could make this area forever interesting.
     
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    My two cents. Why don't we just keep this permanent in Felucca? I think people enjoy the invasion, gets people to go back into towns, brings life in a place that is desolate.....and let's not forget the love for thieves....
     
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    Add them all over the place.
    - Replace the IIshner arti drops with minax drops
    - Have all attackers of a Champion/Peerless get a guaranteed drop(Light House Drop Rate) along with the regular drops
    - Have Doom Bosses have same drop rate as current champions with the Dark Father having the drop rate of the Lighthouse
    - Replace T-Map guaranteed Arti's with Minax Artis
    -Allow the Crown guy to collect all arti's for points
     
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    Give them a drop Chance on Paragons too...
     
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    As a proud trammie, one thing I think they need to make sure when considering where to put the minax arties is to make sure that they will be available in some place in Felucca as well, so that reds have a way to get them.
     
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    Make the Lighthouse spawn randomly around Britannia. One in Trammel and Felucca like it is now. Just keep as it is now in towns. Maybe a bit less Captains and more monsters. Let players search for the lighthouses and then defeat the spawn.
     
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    Cove makes the best choice for the fel tram flip side spawning. Spawning amount would have to changed. Less over a longer time. Cove is a tight spot. Bonus would be the script miners getting to remark their fel Cove mining runebooks.

    Some of us when it comes to doing other things perfer BoDs. Leaving this going on random towns just wont work. Not to mention the politics or EM events being run. Not that there is one player in the game that would kite CPTs in brit castle during a gathering.
     
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    I'm pretty sure the final location of these spawns is already determined, but there's no harm in making guesses as to where that might be. I can add my 'what would happen if' thoughts.

    What would happen if the old, abandoned Minax base was copied to Tram, and the Minax spawn took up residence there, on both facets.
    It's not too near any of the current champ spawns in Fel (nearest is hopper's bog), but is not too far from the Papua/Glow portal. It's fictitionally logical and it would breath some life into T2A in Tram. It wouldn't have the disadvantage of unkillable paragon captains that you might get in Ilshenar nor would it interfere with anyone using towns or player housing.
    There's also the consideration that the most recent official fiction mentions the Lighthouse in T2A.
     
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  19. Quickblade

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    Void pool would be also fictionally logical since Coras is on Minax Side I do think, and its also available in both Trammel/Felucca. All your idea looks great but my main and first idea, the void pool, looks the best to be honest. But I'm pretty sure the next location is gonna be new content or something, but nothing hurt in making guess/suggestions. Ilshenar could also be great but its only trammel side, so I do not agree with this, same goes with doom. And I would like a totally new revamp with new content for Doom same with the others anti-virtues dungeons not yet revamped, dont add this already known content (minax arty), I want new stuff for these. The idea here with void pool is to add a reward to something that has been left and unused. The only hic I could see to the Fel Void Pool side would be raid and the no protection from guards, and harrowers.
     
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    Stick it in new haven.
     
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    The Void Pool is the best idea. It looks like captains will be shoved into a mostly unvisited spot in much the same way the raiders were put into the Brigand Fort.
    However putting them into the Void Pool too, could revitalise interest in Covetous, which was a mostly good idea spoiled by exceedingly poor rewards.
    I would have the Fel side drop slightly more often than the Trammel side if they were put in there.
    It would take minimal time and hassle to do this. The core of a good system is already there, and it wouldn't really affect the lore or storyline.
     
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    nahh the void pool is the void pool
    doom is doom
    etc is etc
    this needs a new home...a new dungeon...or revamp a old one....just dont make it a grind!!!
    make it so a solo player can get them too as the newness soon wears off and people wont bother going anymore and if it needs a team it will fail again ..aka doom etc etc
    and yes in both tram and felluca....
     
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  23. swroberts

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    Champion Spawns.....
    - Random drop at each candle
    - Lighthouse drop rate for Champion
     
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    That would work pretty well!
    And would bring more interest to champion spawns as well. Good thinking!
     
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    ill show up with a thrower and hit that **** like the movie krull
     
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    I would prefer a 'minax' arti be a possible drop where all existing mini artis drop, ie paragons, level 6/7 chests, named ML creatures ie miasma, swoop, etc, mobs in covetous, leviathons. I am against making it a void pool only drop, that only works on shards that have population. I can't remember the last time anyone on my shard did the void pool, the population isn't there. It was fine for the first month of its inception, since then it is totally abandoned and no one is in the slightest bit interested in doing it at all, certainly not for the lame ephemeral rewards that you get with the points. Similar situation for despise. That is also now an abandoned dungeon.

    As for fel only. If they do that I think I would seriously consider closing my accounts for good. I am tired of devs doing that just so that the majority of players are used as 'bait' for a minority. Just not into it, and fed up of the whole concept of 'fel only' drops. I truly hope the devs do not consider that as the option and trust they have the 'majority' view, not the minority.
     
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    AMEN
     
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    I'd like to see this as something that cant be "farmed," as removing any grind/farm aspect from the game is a good thing imo. Like, you would never go out to get minax arties because it would be a massive waste of time, but you might get them while you were doing other things.
    So, put them all over as very very low drops.
    Add to the minor artifact table in ilsh
    Add to fel champ spawns, similar to harpsichord rolls
    Add to anti-virtue dungeons similar to virtue armor pieces
    even very low drop rate on all spawn
    heck maybe even a very low drop rate for bods (careful with that tho to prevent scripting)
     
  29. swroberts

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    Additionally, they should also add them to the Clean up Brit reward list for 10000 points = 1 random minax Artifact

    -That puts a 100 minax artifacts at 1 million turn in points or 100 million gold (@ the rate of 1gp = .01 turn in points)
     
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  30. Smoot

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    Sorry but NO im pretty sure theres still an active exploit for turn in points. (ok ok it would be nice if a new hooded garb cost 12mil i guess)
     
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    If you have any information to support your claim please send it to the dev team - or post it as a bug report and I'll pass it on to them.
     
  32. swroberts

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    Who cares...as long as the items are available...let the dupers dupe away...if everyone has a chance at the item....it does not become cost effective to sell. The problem occurs when a specific item is duped...then not made available to the honest player. Take the item bless deed for example....duped like crazy by cheaters...then removed from the game, making it impossible for the honest player to get....now the cheaters have a monopoly on the item, selling for a high price. Keep it available for the honest player to get and the dupers can go f@#% themselves.
     
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    i dont know know what it its, i just heard it was very easy and its obvious when there are many vendors in luna with over 15million points worth of items for dirt cheap prices. i think its pretty much common knowledge by now thats theres some type of exploit.

    i ask that if someone wants to talk about cleanup points further tho to start a new thread, so this one can be kepted on topic.

    i just wouldnt want to see minax arties as a cleanup reward personally.
     
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    nice idea...50,000 points though...prices are gonna drop big time on the so called 100m items
     
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    They didn't delete the points from the "exploit" / developer oversight. People have millions of points from it before the devs fixed the loophole.
     
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    Perhaps they'll put it in that new area they already added, the one with the Shadowlord bosses in the hold of the ship.

    If that's so then the character I'm planning to use as my standard dungeon crawler had better get that diving suit quest done, I suppose.

    Of course to do that I'd need to get him that complete set of super slayer weapons I've been meaning to for a good bit now.

    -Galen's player
     
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    I am fine with the champ as a drop. Ish has three champ areas. Ideal of floating the drops in the Ish Marty list is a win win. With all the paragon chest chances in Ish champ spawn. Added to the pulled up chest chance of a drop would make Ish champs a win win win. No tears will be shed if the refinement chance is floated out by minax drops.

    #1 on my list is some update to the BoD drops. Only if they police the clear as day abuse of the scripted gathering that encompasses BoDs.

    It's like one item on that turn in list can still be earned in the basic artwork. All those turn in items list does is afford different art for must have gear. What needs to be done at the story arc end of the invasions is a turn in NPC update. Turn in of any item on the list, even the old artwork, earns that items value in points. That way when a skinny elvish male archer decides to make a sex, race and skill change to a husky gargish female thrower. That old elf robe, cloak and woodland belt is a simple switch to robe, wing armor and apron. Not a new reason for a 300+ point grind. The turn in NPC should be also a future way to alter current in game gear and not the end game of another need to grind. Flooding the market is what is happening just to change artwork.
     
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    Is this why the bless deed was removed from the turn-in? I turned in a lot of points, selected a few items, took a break from uo, and returned to find the bless deeds no longer available for turn-in. :(
     
  39. THP

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    Soooooooooooo drum role.........tattatatattatatattataataatatatattatataaaa

    Now we know....the new Blackthorn dungeon awaits your time.....On test shard...coming to a Prodo Shard near you soon.....
     
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