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Idea for taking off a little stress on the crafters ...

Discussion in 'UHall' started by Lady Storm, Jul 14, 2012.

  1. Lady Storm

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    Reciently I went on a bid to clean up my tailors and smiths castles.... not withstanding the deco the house was 99% bod books... Dont get me wrong there is junk in the house besides the books... hides, ore, cloth, and the deco that gives said junk not to mention the imbuers roof top area.....
    I got ot thinking...
    Why cant they change the bod books to like the pinks's book.... I mean that book yes you have to lock it down to add stuff but it has a few features I would like to see for the bod books that would dramaticly reduce the need for more room.
    The pink books are 1 stone no matter how much they have in them...
    They can be accessed in hand and locked down.
    The major factor is they also only take up 1 lockdown.....

    Why not just make the bod book 1 stone, 1 lockdown, accessable in hand and locked down by the settings of ownership as with all chests and containers. This is only logical.

    The books hold 400 bods but serioulsy have you tried to hold one that full to remove a bod?? the Character has to be totaly empty of items to do so.... this is a error I think needs the attention. Players would no longer need the npc's to hold their books they dont want to sell or trade with....

    While I m at it there is another thing that would go far for some ..... a way to stack a few sewing kits together wouldbe nice... I could have my tinker make a bunch and toss them in a stacker and wola i got a single kit that will let me sew the day away and not take up so much room.... would go far in other skils tools as well... the tools will still be needed to be made but the combiner would make the storage and use that much better!
     
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  2. Winker

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    I agree with everything above
     
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    I completely agree with this.
     
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    I agree with this as well...
     
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    Sign me up, I agree too even though I hate BoDs and never do them... that's because in order to have enough to make them "worthwhile" you need to have castle size storage and all... and I don't.
     
  6. Tina Small

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    Would removing these limitations encourage even more scripting?
     
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    Does it really matter? IMO the scripters are going at it either way... why not make the process for the honest players better?

    I for one am of the opinion that making things more of a grind is what gives the scripters a leg up, not the other way around. When honest players can play and enjoy the game without extra hassle it reduces the incentive for scripting by reducing the demand from players who just can't stand the gind.
     
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  8. O'Brien

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    As a new BOD grinder, I think the whole BOD system needs to be reconceptualized.

    The recent changes with bribery and a 3-bod queue are a step in the right direction, however, for one thing, one should not gain an advantage simply by having multiple characters claiming bods.
     
  9. Lady Storm

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    Tina not really. Infact it just might slow them down.... Think about it... if players could do as I suguested and get the books to be just 1 lockdown, their storage would be moot and if you could as the book setting be able to add and remove bods from it locked down and hold the maxed out book without ether getting a spare empty pack character to get you the bods u need from the book..... or strip yourself of your main packs contents. More players would be doing them.... this means more product made ether for their own use or for sale. Scripters do it for profet..... mostly. O'Brien the bod system is fine it could use a change of rewards perhaps a rotating monthy change of items so no one item gets too much given out... but I would have liked a simular system for other crafts... I have seen the graphics for many things I know players would love to get .....
     
  10. Dermott of LS

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    Right now this really isn't the case. With having three deeds build up in queue and being able to get a new deed immediately when you turn one in, filling the Iron "junk" deeds for more BOD pulls works well. I used to run 4 or 5 characters to get deeds, now I only get deeds on one character. I've culled out the Exceptional Iron as well as colored non-combinable deeds that give the same rewards as Exc Iron. Basically all I keep are colored/combinable armor deeds, normal iron weapon deeds, and PoF or better reward single color non-combinable deeds and still have more than enough to work with.
     
  11. Tina Small

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    I don't understand why I you think that just because a BOD book could hold more BODs means a non-scripting player is going to be more inclined to do any more BODs than they do know. Even if you could put 5,000 BODs in a book, there's still no way to apply a filter that only shows you something like just the platemail armor, or ringmail armor in a particular type of metal. I think most crafters who do BODs would still end up having just as many books as they do now to do the sorting by types of armor, weapons, shields, footwear, etc. Your solution doesn't do anything except let people stuff more things in their house. So why not just call a spade a spade and be done with it?
     
  12. Lady Storm

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    Tina its not that the book will hold more in your hands or the fact that it takes a single lockdown .... the fact that a good 50 % or more players dont mess with bods due to the fact they simply dont have the room to store them and quite frankly its a hastle to try to balance the books as they are now. If you could hold your whole collection of books in your bag and sort them and do them easer the rate of player turn ins would out shine any scripter... Let me explain this in terms you might understand easer -
    My son just made with his bods 15 val hammers for sale on Atl, they sold in under 2 days... this from all our bods from the shards and my vast bod getting army... (hehe most are gm or better I in no way script but I can tell you this .... those that bother to do it are doing it not for gold to play with but to sell on the sites) To stop this the bods need to be easer for players then it is for them to keep up with. You saturate the system, they loose sales and then ether reduce the scripting or give up as sales drop through the roof. Players partisapation is the key to running them off UO. Oh and here is a hint for you, 99% of the sales done is by companys who have exp. players on staff... its why we cant get them gone in most cases. A few companys aproached me in game, asking if I'd consider joining them. I had a GM on site in 2 minutes.... let's just say they enjoied the company guest room. I am all for driving them off kiddo. To do so you need to make it so the stuff that they covet is soooo cheap its not worth doing or that anyone with half a brain cell can do it easyer.
     
  13. Zyon Rockler

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    I was thinking about this last night but it is not going to be easy. We did our sots and power scrolls and used the binding scrolls for it and I do not like the way they work.. I used a way to do it like putting them in some type of order like smith tailor carp, stealth ninja hiding. So I could do a few at one time that part was great went threw them all np. Even if you did two at a time like archery and found anther archer you could just add them, great. So then you look at them and you find you can not just turn it back into an sot? So I try to target it nope and I try right click no,,. So now I look at it and am like so how dose this work. So now i have 100s of ?s running threw like what if a person needs .1 skill to get 120 can they take a .2? Or if I have a 4.9 binder and I have a .3 sot can I make a 5.0 sot.. So cause of one thing not being able to be done I have to think about 50 things. Plus I am working this in trammel so you can see me getting most of the time .1 so to get to 5.0 takes some time. Why can we not pick what to make them like if I would like to sell a 1.0 or if someone asks me for a 2.3 and I only have a 4.0 will it work?

    So then you think about all the ps you need why not make it so you only need so many to get to 120 why is there so many steps Like if you have 105 do they turn into 110 then you have to do 110s to get to 115s then you get the 120?
    This is to much to do I think why not make the 105s just turn into 120.

    So as you do this thinking you start to wounder about bods also cause you have so many of them as well and I Wounder if maybe there are just to many steps. Sure ppl will Not HAVE TO do as much but then if they like it they will do more. So they end up doing more and that means the system is working better. So if you look at the steps you need to make so many of this and it has to be ex.. If you removed Half of those steps it might make it better. Or being able to some how say you got one that let you make 200 of something but you turn it in at 100. Hoping for a lower reward. So then you do not have to keep going you can stop and turn it in plus you do not have so many types to keep track of.
     
  14. Lady Storm

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    I was thinking the very same thing this morning after sorting tons of them i have been gathering form my homes across uo shards... Why cant a book like the one for pinks work for the scrolls. It would be generaly the same principls. 5's, 10's, and 20's, Type of skill, and i cant see why a scroll of binding cant be added to the mix as well.
    Again this would help lessen the house lockdown requirement. I can tell you the 5 chests of them alone on 1 shard is taking up alot of usefull space! I am not alone in this from what I have seen.
    As for steps for bod making......
    Ok here is the gist of it Zyon.... With the bod book being 1 lockdown the room in ones pack is not effected till the bods are removed and the crafter starts to make the items up. I do see a fail safe in some of this as tools need to be stackable in uses... I dont mean craft higher uses but the ability to stack them in uses to one tool to a max of say 1k to 5 k. You would still need to craft the sewing kits.
    So lets see a bigger number of bods in a 1 stone/1 lockdown book, a sewing kit stacked to a high useage, and cloth....oh and the salvage bag to work out of. The only work I can see the player would need to do more of is add the items to the bod and if they were doing a lg bod add it to that. I am all for the stp cutting but to a degree.
     
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  15. O'Brien

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    Bolding added for emphasis
     
  16. Lady Storm

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    O'brien look kiddo...
    Bods dont need to be limited, hell you do that and you might as well pull the plug on the whole thing. No joking here, it will stop most of the honest players doing them, but the scripters who do them will continue. Who's side are you on?? geesh
    I have alot of tailors and smiths, your saying onlky 1 or 2 can get a bod? In that sence your so far off base the riots would be lined up at your door. Your wording is that you wish no one account could collect more then 1 bod? per account? ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR EVER LOVING MIND!!!!!
    I am seriously thinking your not with the movement to get scripters out... hmmm Look, bods are not the issue but the way we use and store them is. Too many years collecting has made a glut and its not getting any smaller in the need for room and useablilty. IF I can make for my own use a good handfull of items its not hard for others to do for them selves as well. My idea is to make our time in uo productive and happy.
     
  17. Lady Storm

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    You know what ................if it ever comes to pass that the Dev did this bit of limiting bods to 1 per account or tailor/smith per day You will loose a great deal more players then we can aford. O'Brien good friends left the game on the last straw of crafter goofups the Dev did and didnt do. I am not talking of 2 or 3 players I am talking over 50 I personaly know left the game and wont come back no matter how much I tell them its better... they dont trust UO anymore. Your idea is heading it in that direction.
    Crafting needs a big boost, alot of players enjoy the time they craft. If you need proof just look to all the farming games out there on the web... they have huge followings.
    Zev and I once recomended adding a farming x pac to the deal... let people grab a plot and farm it. You can take up sword and hack a dragon so much that it gets boring, or pvp till the cows come home but in the end a great deal of players like the crafting.
     
  18. O'Brien

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    Look, I only said that the BOD system needs to be reconceptualized. Why? Well, why should you have to login to multiple chars in order to compete?

    You said you sold 15 val hammers on Atl after employing your "bod getting army." That's about, let's see... over 100 mil. profit? Meanwhile new players are being told to farm arctic ogre lords for gold and lizardmen for spined leather... for what 100k per hour? It would take 1,000 hours of farming arctic ogre lords to equal the 100 mil. take from "bod getting army" bod farming. No one sees anything wrong with this?

    Now I didn't say limit BODs 1 per account. I'm actually leaning on the other side: remove the limit altogether. Still, I think a much better system could be put into place if a little thought was put into it. I know that's almost like asking the impossible with current and prior Dev teams. One can dream can't they?
     
  19. Lady Storm

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    Well those bods came from years of collecting and my smart arsed son reading the bod reward list and what's what on tower of roses and paying for bribes which eats up alot of gold... so that profet shrinks... and the time it takes too is a factor. My army as i and u call it hehe are very old and very spred out on all the shards If I remember to get them that is. My suguestion is to help players...
     
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    I don't get bods as much as I used to I just don't have a lot of room left. I do wish they would change up some of the rewards. Same old thing year after year gets boring. :sad4: