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Idea to stop multiboxing at Shard Events

Discussion in 'UHall' started by Hazel868789, May 10, 2015.

  1. Hazel868789

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    At meeting area

    1. Have a special item to "CLICK ON" to enter special area.

    2. This would take you to another random passage way, one of many, where you have to pass thru individually. (it could have timer where you have to cross into next area within 10 seconds or so, or be booted out)

    3. At the end of this area, there would be another item (fence gate, like at one of the current Champs) and this would take you to main event area.

    4. Event area has "...special rules set..." like VvV towns.

    5. PROHIBIT the use of "auto follow" command. NOT just the controls CTRL, left click as it is now, but the whole command because keystrokes can be changed.

    The multiple clicking mentioned, is used to make each character click to break the "auto follow"


    Have constructive comments, ideas, additions? COPY and PASTE and insert them. Or post your own.
     
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    Wait... there's an auto follow command?

    Oh, and this post is absolutely ridiculous. If you pay for multiple accounts you have the right to use them all as long as you are doing it in a legal manner.
     
  3. Smoot

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    good intentions, but true multiboxing operates using a third party program replicating keystrokes automatically. no in game auto-follow. it can be easily identified but sadly the devs have chosen that its not worth their time to enforce. yes legit players (like myself) use auto-follow) but believe me running 2 characters legit is nothing, and relatively difficult as it is, to the third party program multibox pods that can easily control many characters with 1 set of keystrokes and only view one game window.
     
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    @Smoot 10 gargs on each shard... my army will be infamous... just kidding, not really though... but seriously im kidding. :)
     
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    Sounds like a lot of added complexity for only a slightly higher perception of fairness. Probably better to not worry so much about EM items. Most of them are pretty silly anyways.
     
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    They honestly aren't hard to identify. Anyone with two eyes and half a brain can identify the illegal multiboxers at an EM event just by being there. Once observed they should be wisked away and given a warning. Second time same accounts they get jailed for the extent of the event... third time ban the accounts. End of story. They can pretend they aren't doing what they are doing all they want and they could complain about the action.... but when it all comes down to it Broadsword/EA/UO DEV's have the final say as to what goes on in their game... and if they allow it to go on then.... well there is nothing the rest of us can do...

    However if they decide to actually take action then their decision is FINAL. And it wouldn't be hard for them to observe what's going on and put a stop to it. They could just chose random EM events to patrol hidden... observe the action and then pull the offenders without a word. Honestly wouldn't be that hard to see what's going on. Anyone who's ever attended the events can spot them.

    But as I said it is something the DEV's would have to commit to doing. And we all know their track record on that.
     
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    I cant believe what has happened to the game I loved. I know they have to prove that something illegal is going on but the devs/gms need to remove their hands from their eyes to see. all multi use for combat/healing or gathering resources should be illegal. removing the follow option, preventing gating, stop waiting for all the multis to caught up may help some but will not solve the problem. the main reason I cant stand the multis is the lag/crashes, which has cause many of my friends to leave this game and will continue to do so. the devs should make it illegal at events to use more than one account. it interferes with others to reasonably to play the game, then enforce it. another issue : I don't see uo getting a lot more people to come and play, and keep playing with all the multis. people don't need others to do various bosses now, they can bring 2 or more chars and do about anything in game. new players are left out with very few to play with, especially on less populated shards. ive seen some new players lately, ive helped, but so many are doing the multis chars now, the new player is left out because they are not needed. so they give up on the game and quit. all I have to say is leadership in this area is needed. I would also like to see only one to 3 drops at events not 10 to 50 but just my opinion. when the markets gets too flooded with so many event items I see a lot leaving including myself. its why u see certain people sell sell sell when they get cause they can see what will probably happen. this is just something to think about for the betterment of the game. have fun.
     
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    I love these "legit players like myself" threads lol...
     
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    If you're going to do something about cheating, do it because it's wrong period, in every aspect of the game. Not just because it interferes with your chance at some silly drop.
     
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    It really is easy if you think about it. Broadsword/UO or what ever they are called now just needs to enforce its own rules and ban the players.
     
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    Hell will freeze over before anything at all is done about ANY activities that break the rules, all they will do is 'reinterpret' the rules into worthlessness by making more and feebler excuses about why they 'can't' do anything or enforce the policies they have because... well, that would be inconvenient for them.

    But they will talk about how important it is, and how much they care, to try cover up their total failure to keep their word and do their job :(
     
  13. MalagAste

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    Well we have all been around long enough to know the track record.

    Nuff Said.
     
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    More people opening accounts to farm these events = more cash for Broadsword or EA (I dunno who even gets paid these days). Why would they want to ban people who are "good" paying customers?

    Sure people threaten to quit and rage on forums about it. Has anyone actually quit because of these multi boxers?

    Sadly the amount of people opening more accounts to farm the EM events surely must outstrip the amount of people closing accounts otherwise the dev team would of done something about it all ready?

    Also I don't think they have a way to detect these 3rd party programs people are using. Same goes for all the cheats etc. Sure, we can all see it, they can see it, but being able to actually prove they are using naughty programs is a whole different matter.
     
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    Messana has said it herself. As long as you are attended (as in can respond to a message), everything is fair game :D Take it or close your eyes. But thats what she said.
     
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    That rules out the EA/BS staff then
     
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    I personally have no problem with multi CLIENTING, which is MUCH different than multi BOXING!
     
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    Tough to argue with that quote. Paying customers have the right to bring multiple accounts. As long as they aren't 'young accounts', I don't see what grounds there are to deny a paying customer access to the event.

    However, the probability of getting drops is a different animal. IMHO, what they need to do as it relates to EM events (and sorry if this is off-topic), but have each account declare a home shard of some sort. People on the home shard where the event is hosted should have atleast a 2x chance of getting a drop as much as X-sharders. You should only be able to change home shard declarations every 90 days or something like that. This would also affect where you could vote. (I'm sure those of you out there more familiar with EM events and governorships can beat up that idea... but I think something along those lines would atleast be a step in right direction and would kill two birds with one stone...)
     
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    Interesting Idea. I like it, makes sense. If you are on your home shard, I think you should have a better chance at the drop. And, I do remember reading about the problems with voting for cities, this might work as a solution, in one form or another. I don't play as much as I used too, so I am sure there are a few finer points to be ironed out.
     
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    Multi-boxing is legal and I do it all the time.
    I play up to 5 characters at one time I have no cheats just 3 screens.
    I see it as a diminishing return the more i have out the less I'm able to work each character.
    Three accounts is optimal.

    Multiplexing is not allowed
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiplexing

    Events shouldn't drop these high end items as often as they do.

    These items should be built into the game as well as these events. I could see a random generator item drop at spawns. Lets say it goes through a long list of graphics items, then a long list of color changes, titles, motion sensing, color effects, talking text, unique functions, and sounds for that item before it's stamped out and drops in the bag. Most items would be good for the trash but some would be kinda cool.
     
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    i simply gave up doing events....pretty pointless now
     
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    I recal you saying thi
    I recal you saying this 3-4 years ago maybe even longer. all the salt from you about EM events is never ending yet you proclaim not to do then. I cant understand why someone would get all sailty about something they dont get involved in.
     
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    I believe he has also announced multiple times that he gave up idoccing :)
     
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    whatever [end]
     
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    Until you are ready to risk your own account based on someone else's opinion of watch you perform any given set of actions, with no proof to support thier observation... There is little that can be done with regard to attended use of scripting/multi boxing.

    I will be the first to agree that sometimes it appears completely obvious to me when someone is running a script (bot miners stand out like a sore thumb) and when someone is multi boxing at an event (the same 3 characters move and cast in unison) but where do you draw the line?

    Personally I liken it a little bit to free speech. I think there is some obviously offensive speech that goes on (speech that 99.9% of people find offensive) but that you can't regulate without endangering all speech. Unless the third party program interacts with the data stream there is no way to distinguish between a player initiated click from a scripted click if the player is present to respond to a GM. I regularly run more than one client using the auto follow and very long UOA macros to play. For example: Lady M with a disco tamer, wraith archer, thrower, and a bard running peacemaking mastery. My tamer has a UOA macro that casts heal on my dragon with pauses built it. It runs for the better part of 5 minutes (which is about the entire fight). I hide that screen and toggle back and forth on two screens between archer and thrower for AI and CW. All of which is done completely legally. But I'll be damned if I want some GM who has no idea of my set up watching what I'm doing and assuming I've got a script running and banning my accounts. If we allow GMs to ban based on assumptions it will happen, maybe not to me but it will happen. No thank you.
     
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    I don't do any of that. If and when I run more than one account at a time to say take a Tamer with a Mystic/Mage/Weaver somewhere to hunt I don't script anything.... I actually toggle between screens and WORK my characters by hand..... no long macro strings of things... The Mystic casts a colossus and that's about it till the end when she spams the WoD... At which point if she needs to she heals my other characters pet.

    It's people who go to events who are running 3 to 5 characters all together as one that lag out the client for everyone else... that cause serious and massive lag spikes during events and often make it difficult for other players to actually play their ONE character... And honestly I could give 2 ****s about what people are doing out on their own farming whatever but... characters need to be actually played not running big long scripts... Again... you know people playing 2 and 3 accounts to "solo" things is what's wrong with the game..... used to be you took friends with you to do things. Now no one is ever around and folk have to come up with more and more ways to "solo" everything just to be doing things... or they refuse to work with anyone for fear they won't get all the stuff. It's sad.

    I suppose this is all why I find myself playing less and less all the time. I'm just disgusted with the lack of support, lack of action, lack of community and Greed.
     
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    While I can appreciate your difference in playestyle I think people who pay for multiple accounts should be able to use them as they wish, so long as they are within the TOS.

    However, while I used an example of my playestyle for illustration, I was not really advocating one playstyle or another. My point was that with ONLY observation as the sole justification for banning an account it puts everyone - legit players - at risk.

    I wouldn't support law enforcement going around and arresting people who look like a thug and I don't support GMs going around banning accounts because the look like they are scripting. The ends do not justify the means IMO. Do I get frustrated when I see miner bots? Or what appears to be multiboxxers at events, sure I do. Do I want my account subject to being banned solely based on someone else's opinion of my playstyle? Hell NO!
     
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    agreed. in regards to the overall state of UO and cheating, i think its safe to assume that for every 1 cheating account they keep, theyve lost 5 - 10 over the years from people who are tired of it. I know ive basically stopped pvp entirely at this point and one of the major reasons that has put me off to it is the frustration over obvious cheats. And i dont even blame people for using them. Broadsword has done nothing and seems like its something just expected to compete, in more aspects of the game now.

    I'll continue to play the game as long as i can at least find some enjoyment, i liked events alot more when i didnt have to compete with the multiboxers but still find enjoyment in this aspect of the game.
     
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    thats how its done in other games. thats also how its done in real life. it it looks like someone is murdering someone, and a cop sees it, chances are the person will be arrested :) i say this tongue in cheek, but it seems pretty simple to me. Maybe its just because i live in the U.S. and am kinda used to my privacy and rights being seconded to "safety" and law enforcement.
     
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    Just going to throw this out there.

    We really don't see much of that at our events, at least not the ones I've attended. May be because we only have the one character per account setup *shrugs*

    Guess it's good that so few players play Siege full time and don't want to spend enough time to fully develop characters so when our events take place, we have 20-30 people max.

    -Val'lyn
     
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    Wouldn't be able to do the cheat with multiboxing on Siege... though I'm sure now someone will come up with a way to do it... I give a crap about Siege... I rarely play there it's not my thing. I don't care to work 2 hours gathering **** to have some jerk off come along and take it just because they can... F that... If I'm going to invest time and effort into something I want something to show for it. It's like I always told my ex about doing drugs... If I buy something say a game perhaps.... I have something to show for it... Something I can use over and over and over again... buying drugs is like throwing away money ..... you may as well flush your cash down the toilet... go stand on your head in the corner of the room for 10 min then stand up real fast..... same effect... doesn't cost anything and you won't get arrested and lose your children or your home over it. Work and slave to throw your money down the drain is just a waste of time. And before you say that I could just kill them and keep them from taking it that has never happened for me. Most times I don't even see the person before I'm 90% dead and then there isn't **** I can do about it anyway... by then it's too late. I don't play to fight. Panic game stuff isn't something I enjoy. I play UO to relax and enjoy the company of others not to be an antisocial creeper and kill people and not to spend all my time looking over my shoulder wondering wtf is going to jump out next.

    And yes I could probably go kill folk with a group of people... however more often than not when I'm on and in game very few folk are around... and half the ones who are aren't folk I'd want to spend time with anyway... since they are just out looking to kill someone... steal from someone or whatever again not my playstyle and not something I enjoy.
     
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    Fine, stay safe and enjoy multi-boxing at your shard events. Enjoy the ruined economy on your production shard. Enjoy the duped items on your shard.

    I'm just trying to offer an alternative to those who "claim" they are tired of these things...at least until the developers "fix" them.

    -Val'lyn
     
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    Pretty sure there was a few within the last year (including you) that publicly announced they was quitting if they didn't get their way with the cheating at events and idocs that still play and post on here. I even think I remember you and olch saying yall was going to blacklist buyers that bought from certain people that they believed cheated but never did that either. While I agree that uo has lost a lot of customers I doubt that most of them was due to cheating. It prolly has a lot to do with the game being 18 years old the majority of the players that started uo in the beginning have families now and don't have time, lack of improvements in the right direction, etc. When 1 person cries about something in pvp that knows nothing about the game it usually gets nerfed to the point of not worth using again. This is just 1 example
     
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    i dont believe i ever said this. but i say alot of things on UOhall most of which is completely worthless nonesense. do you remember where i might have actually said i was quitting? i doubt i would have used those concrete of words, tho i do allude to what will probably lead to eventually calling it quits and yes rampant cheating / dumbing down of the game is one of those.

    your right about the crying tho, if it wasnt for UOhall people we'd of had punkbuster. why the devs gave in to that and decided it was a bad idea who knows.
     
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    I agree with most of what you say except you referencing pvpers and pk'ers as "antisocial creepers"

    It is offensive and incorrect to boot.

    Pvp'ers and pk'ers are quite social by nature as they need other players to attack.
    And they are for sure both 100x more social than the real creepers who spend most of their time wandering around their pixel houses locking and unlocking decos all day. The solo pvm'ers who spend all their time alone in a dungeon are also antisocial but imo not creepy like the house deco peeps.
     
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    Yes and they are the ones I have to constantly keep putting on ignore as I get tired of their banter about what they are going to do to someones mother or how the other person is such a whatever.... I don't want to repeat it... all day .... all night in General Chat.... because that sort of social behavior isn't toxic or anti-social.

    You don't see PvMers in Gen Chat verbally harassing one another. Nor do you see home decorators doing that.

    And Yes I'm sorry I shouldn't generalize. And I do apologize for that. I have known some rather nice PvPers.
     
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    I couldn't agree with you more and I am sure a lot of others couldn't either. That was back last year lol theres not a chance I am going to go threw all the post to find it its not that important to me and I am too lazy for that but it was either on uhall or the rares forum and I wanna say it was more than 1 time but either way like I said its not important enough for me to go looking :). Instead of being negative most of the time why don't you try to be positive a lil more you never know might help you out. Even promathia has pointed it out that your always so negative and no I am not going to look for that either I just lold back when I saw it.
     
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    I have seen many supposedly reputable pvmers/trammies say very nasty things to each other when they are trying to deal on items in chat.
    And I have seen the same pvmers/trammies screw each other over many times because after agreeing on a deal someone chimes in and offers a measly few million more. Not much honor at Luna mint from anyone :(
    But I do agree that pvpers in general get nastier. Don't ever recall someone telling someone else to kill themselves during an item bidding war at Luna mint
     
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    “The opposite of love is not hate, it's indifference. The opposite of art is not ugliness, it's indifference. The opposite of faith is not heresy, it's indifference. And the opposite of life is not death, it's indifference.” ― Elie Wiesel

    I apologize that its hard for me to spin a positive light in this thread about cheating.

    The day people fail to express opinions, good or bad, is the day Apathy has won. Im happy that there are enough people still passionate about UO that topics like these come up, when that stops the end of the game will soon follow.
     
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    There is no happy place!

    I think cheese is better than cake, because you can have cheesecake, but you can't have cakecheese!
     
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    The only way to handle bots is for the Devs/GM staff to stop sidestepping the issue and deal with it. Either declare it legal and everyone does it or declare it illegal and put a stop to it. Ambivalent explanations of rules don't help, neither does avoiding the issue.

    WOW just banned more people for running bots than the entire UO playerbase makes up but UO players just have to deal with it apparently in order to keep what subscriptions there are.
     
  43. Zosimus

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  45. MalagAste

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    True that! LOL. I've seen some pretty shady deals and know folk by reputation that I would NEVER sell to or buy from. Some who use Paypal to buy items then turn around and reverse the payment saying they never got the item... Gives UO and Games a bad reputation on services like Paypal... and is one of the major reasons EBay now won't allow the sale of pixel goods. Shame a few bad apples spoil things for everyone. But their is a sucker born every minute so they say... but I think that also works in the reverse... and there is a pool of sharks circling every pool of people every minute.
     
  46. 4runnersport

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    I'm not sure iv ever seen you be positive about anything on the game. Maybe you have but the amount of negativity just outweighs it too much. Cheating isn't the only thing your negative on.
    Expressing feelings is 1 thing but constant negativity with no positive just makes you look like a grouch. This is another doom and gloom ending prediction :p. The games not gonna end just bc some people always complain but still pay there subscription. Lighten up a bit and quit complaining if the game is that bad to you don't pay them anymore of your money simple as that.
     
  47. Smoot

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    well, all i have to say is, im the 7th most "liked" poster on stratics. Yes, this seems to be the perfect opportunity to flaunt that ;) So whatever i say, people do seem to like it. that seems pretty positive *shrugs*
     
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  48. MalagAste

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    And I'm the 4th most liked poster. What does that tell you?
     
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    Lol surely you aren't bragging about something like that to someone like me who absolutely doesn't care about things like that. The more you post the more likes your going to get and they can be for anything from selling or buying to agreeing with someone's post so im not sure what that would have to do with being positive or negative on here but I guess if you feel special bc of that then that's good for you im glad lol. Didn't you create a thread asking for people to give you likes? Once again no I will not verify it by wasting time reading threw your posts but I do remember it not that it matters or anything other than getting you to your goal in life of being the 7th most liked posts on a forum :p
     
  50. Smoot

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    you must be doing at least something right !