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Idoc New Times Issue

Discussion in 'UHall' started by AtlanticRealtor, Feb 24, 2015.

  1. AtlanticRealtor

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    I tried few Idocs since new patch and I dont think the 5,10 or 15 is working properly. anybody else tested?

    I had some idocs that I had the exactly time that Turned Idoc, 1:05am.

    so Scenario #1: House would fall at 6:05am (I was there til 6:20's and Nothing)
    Scenario #2: House would collapse at 11:05am (as 9:00am - House is Gone already)

    I did few other Houses with same situation, anyone else tried?
     
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    What shards were they on? Had those shards been published before going into IDOC stage?
     
  3. AtlanticRealtor

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    Yes @Bleak
    Most Japanese Shards and I believe the patch "is" on because most Houses became Private
     
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    Which specific shard?
     
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    Just happened again @Bleak Sakura Shard
    House went Idoc at 5:29am - House collapsed at 11:01am (5 Hours and 31 Minutes Later)
     
  7. Capt. Lucky

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    I really don't see the point of making these crazy long IDOC wait times. It just attracts more and more and more people. Sitting around 4 hours is bad enough. 4 hours, I though, was too long. It just encourages people to use programs to do the work for them. I can't imagine many people waiting around even 4 hours for something to happen. But that was somewhat tolerable. This really rewards the pro IDOC camper as they are probably set up with all the scripts that don't force them to monitor IDOCs. I swear every time I get interested in something they whack it with the nerf stick. Your really forcing me into using methods I don't approve of.
     
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    Capt. Lucky said:
    "Your really forcing me into using methods I don't approve of."

    I like all of your post except the above part. They aren't forcing you into doing anything. You don't have to do idocs if you don't like the rules. I don't like the rules either but that will NOT force me into extreme measures. Not trying to be mean.. just saying....
     
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    By the way I strongly agree with the rest of your post Capt. Lucky
     
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    There is "no more" waiting time according to the new system!!
    If you or your friends are watching a House that is current GW and The house turns Idocs at 12:00AM, with the new system, the house should collapse at :
    5:00AM
    OR
    10:AM
    OR
    3:00PM

    So If you go at 5:00am and waait few minutes and nothing happened, you "supposedly" can leave and come back at 10:am and try again and so on!!
     
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    Yeah I agree...while noone is forcing you to do something illegal, that's totally your choice....IDOCS will ALWAYS be an issue of contention. No matter what the team does to try to fix it, even a little bit, people are going to complain, people are going to script, people are not going to be happy.

    Sure you can use outside help to know exact times, but now the drop times and looting rights are a bit more..evened out?

    I don't know I'm just trying to find some good here....hatin all the negativity lol but I totally understand the issues.

    Times are still able to be scripted...looting not so much...isn't that what people were complaining about initially? That the scriptors got all the loot? Now they can't camp on top of items and grubbers take some of it so they won't get *everything*...but still people aren't happy....just sad.
     
  12. Uriah Heep

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    Said it before, say it again, if fighting the scripters was the reason, simply clearing the list would have accomplished that. As it is now, everyone got a poking...
     
  13. Capt. Lucky

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    Here's the thing, in the case of IDOCs, if your a straight arrow... which I *try* to be, there comes a point where you realize that your just being a sap and played for a sucker. Gotta smell the coffee at some point. When scripters have such and obvious and clear advantage they suck everyone down to their level or your just being played for a fool. I grab 2 things and everything around me just vanishes in seconds and there's only like 2 other people there, it doesn't take a software engineer to know you just got hosed going the boy scout route.
     
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    Who does that? I mean get serious. I believe they might have a program doing that, but no one is watching like 10 or 12 houses (plus some do this on every shard) and being able to collect exact times. Total nonsense. Actually end scripts, hacks, programs, and I'm right there with you. But that's not how this whole thing works currently.
     
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    Assuming you know exactly when it changed. Seriously. But if you find one that is already IDOC, with a 15hour max timer, and unknown to you it had JUST changed over, you could be sitting for 14 hours and XX minutes. Much longer than the old ways. Talk about encouraging someone to get a script, sheeesh.
     
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    Well I didn't do IDOCs so I didn't care. But with this rash of IDOCs we've seen I got interested. Did them for 2 days. When you see how it actually works in reality it's a very scripted hack filled system and it really kinda ticked me off. I got hosed so bad people are telling me what to do and what to get just so I could get close to being on a level playing field, lol. Had this guy I met, who's a nice guy. He said to me he really wanted these 2 specific items. I said I'll try and get the one for you first. He told me don't worry about it. He had another account there that was set to grab it the second the house dropped. That's the how the system currently works. So I'll be the boy scout and get nothing but the left overs? Somethings wrong here... all I'm saying. I sit somewhere for 4 or 5 hours to get crafted furniture and 2000 garlic while all the rares disappear in a split second after the house drops? Just sayin' it ain't right and nothing will be done about it in any meaningful way. That's just the way it is. I'm sure if they could do something about it they would. But as it is currently you get with the program or be the sap time after time every time.
     
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    Well just to get outta this thread I'm sure people understand my frustration and the point I'm attempting to make. I'm not use to be played the victim or sap over and over repeatedly. At some point you say I'm either in this to win it, or walk away. Well I'm not going to surrender to the scripters and other program users. I'm just not made that way to give up and roll over. Not to mention that many of the programs used in some situations are posted here regularly and basically endorsed by Stratics, etc. Or even on the old UO "approved list". The line starts to blur pretty quickly. There's really only one way to logically go about this as it is currently and spread the wealth out somewhat evenly.
     
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    Much of what you say in both this and your other post is true but to give the Devs their due they have at least made an effort this time. I have done and enjoyed Idocing for years and in ALL that time have had to contend with scripters. I have seen many mysterious and wonderful things in those years, many of which I do not pretend to understand. I remember well the days of the instant house (not necessarily scripted) when at fall a plot would instantly appear and all the goods of the house were piled beneath the house sign. Wasn't too bad then we all had a chance of grabbing something from the pile but even back then times were scripted. You soon learnt the identify the scripters and some of their tricks. Since then the situation has steadily deteriorated with regard to scripting, times were scripted , looting was scripted and then the 'young' started to appear in ever increasing numbers together with the 'bots' with names like Pink, Ponk, Punk, and Puke.

    In all that time, I have never been aware of ANY serious attempt to curb scripting. This time the changes to idocs will stop nearly all script looting. The 'youngs' can still appear but if they cannot pick anything up, so whats the point?. Houses going from public to private will also level the playing field a little with regard to whether it is worth trying for the fall or not, only friends and co-owners will know whether the house is likely to be empty or not. All in all I am happy with this attempt to reduce scripting and give thanks to those involved for their efforts. It would have been nice if they had just made a single fall time in line with how it used to be, but I am grateful they have tried to reduce the abilities of the cheats.

    Sure scripters will still be with us and doing their thing, its in the nature of things I have said before and will say again there is no need to be unhappy about scripters, like griefers they have little moral sense and few principles, be glad you are not one of them.
     
  19. DJAd

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    There is an IDOC on Europa atm and some people who had access to the house still have access. Is the patch live on all shards yet?
     
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    It should be...if there's a problem let Bleak know......he's lurkin around here somewhere :)
     
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    Djdad said:
    "There is an IDOC on Europa atm and some people who had access to the house still have access. Is the patch live on all shards yet?"

    Some people or one? maybe the whole owner account can get inside. The Devs did say only the owner could get in.. and maybe they made it so anyone on that account can do so.
     
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    That is true...mine was decaying and I placed it on my archer but was able to transfer it with a different character, was able to add a co-owner too but kept the house private so it didn't clear.
     
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    One guild mate who knows the owner could get inside. He said he is just friended to the house.
     
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    Providing a little predictability to the system is the best way to level the playing field in my opinion. If everyone knows approx when to show up, they have the best chance they are going to get against IDOC scripters. Remember that scripters still have the house placement tool cool down just like everyone else. In fel, they are easy targets. In tram, a person clicking by hand has just as much of a chance as a scripter if it is a one to one scenario. I will take on any single scripter without a problem. The downside is when the scripters come with numbers vs. a lesser amount of actual people.

    When it comes to items, they have taken several steps to prevent items from being insta looted off the ground... The grubbers, added with limiting the ability of young status players.

    To me, this could possibly become the greatest rule set they have implemented for IDOCS this far. Lets give it a chance to take effect before we begin criticizing it.

    You may like it.
     
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    out of curiosity is there a difference between the 2 different types of house drops?

    1) you place or accept another house putting your old house into state.
    2) your account has been off for 90 days you and house enters state.

    if the problem maybe that this clicked in for one type and not the other?
    cause if people are in the house roaming around i would assume that means that the house owner is on meaning its not the 90 day gone you house is dropping scenario.
     
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    Just a suggestion, if you have GM Item Identification and use the skill on a house sign of a decaying house which is already in IDOC stage, the skill tells you the time when the house turned into IDOC stage. This would not only make it even more level playing field but also help make the playstyle of IDOCing less harmful to players' health and their rl schedules.

    If scripters can easily know when exactly a house goes into IDOC stage without much effort or spending time watching them manually, why not give normal players a way to do the same thing ?
     
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    What an amazing idea! OW MY BRAIN, IDEA TOO GOOD......... CANT THINK..... ABOUT IT MORE........ OH NO!!!

    [​IMG]
    MIND=BLOWN
     
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    We get it sibble, You found a new gif that you really like and feel the need to include it in multiple posts....

    That is a great idea Soft, it is a great compromise.
     
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    Nothing new about it. I'm happy that 2 excellent ideas came up and I'm supporting them with added humor, sorry if that bothers you.
     
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    Humor and Uhall?

    "Makes note of the date"
     
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    wouldnt it just be easier to go back to the original idoc stages that we played with and enjoyed for 10 years....b4 the lazy moaning minnies had it changed for the worse just because they cant get there numb heads around it timing the fall!!!! jesus it was so easy and an actual UO skill/template it itself.....newer system then changed then changed then changed and now this!!! 5-10-15....lol...at least the ''young'' problem is hopefully sorted
     
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    They never revert back to a system once its been changed no matter how much of a mess the new system is. They would rather plod on with a worse system than admit they got it wrong
     
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    I am working on my first idoc under new rules. I will say I am so, so, so and I mean so happy about the houses slamming shut when they begin decay and that young armies can no longer loot. Ty!
     
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    You mean like methods for "getting an exact time it turned IDOC" ? LOL
     
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    BTW my keep on europa is decaying because I placed a new place and my co-owners and friends list are still intact.

    A BIG THANK YOU TO THE DEVS FOR THIS

    The Devs did anticipate people moving so they incorporated it.
    So everyone ...you need to applaud them for that.
     
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    @Bleak @Kyronix @Mesanna Just an fyi... Multiple shards. Asuka, europa, wakoku, izumo, and a couple others. The houses are not falling at 5 10 15. Father time basically said screw you and did his own thing. :)
     
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    I have been to 2 idocs on Europa subject to the new times and in both cases I must agree with Scribbles, neither fell on a 5 hour period. Both passed the 5 hour stage - nothing, both passed the 10 hour stage - nothing, then about 30/40 mins after the 10 hour mark one fell. The second got to the 15 hour stage - nothing but then again some 30/40 mins after the appointed time that fell too. It is obviously too early to state that all are going to fall at the wrong time or that they will all fall 30/40 mins late, but the early signs are that once again what we have been told would happen ---didn't.
     
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    It is NOT working as it Should
     
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    Last night Idoc on Atlantic was the perfect example!
    The Trammel YEW House was idoc already at 7:25am.

    so When I log on Atlantic and saw at 7:25am House already Idoc, you assume of :

    • 12:25PM - (05 Hours later, House may Collapse) Didnt Happen!!!
    • 5:25pm - (10 Hours later, House may Collapse) Didnt Happen!!!
    • 10:25pm - (15 Hours later, House may Collapse) Didnt Happen!!!
    • 11:35pm - HOUSE FINALLY WENT DOWN

    So my point is the 5 Hours OR 10 OR 15 Hours later, is NOT working properly!! , House went down 16 Hours and 10 minutes later After I found at 7:25AM!!!
     
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    I think it was way worse when you could insta drop a house as soon as the other fell and have the owner + however many other accounts running move all the loot onto the plot. I have done them for years and I have seen just about every hack/cheat thats out. 9 times out of 10 even with others using hacks/cheats I can still get pretty good items. All I can really say is nothing will be done so either deal with it and go up against these type of people or just find something else to do in UO.
     
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    I think they get it...it's not working properly....putting it in ALL CAPS AND PRETTY COLORS ISN'T GONNA CHANGE ANYTHING!!!!

    :p

    Give them time to see what they can do...repeating the same thing over and over and over and over and over.....again...is counter-productive.

    Just enjoy the dozens of houses falling right now!
     
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    Some people (such as myself) put important statements in colors, because a lot of people on this forum just like to read the first and last post of a thread. Don't think he had any intention other than highlighting important information. Statistical data is very important, don't you agree? :)
     
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    This is the life :facepalm:
     
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    new system is heaven compared to old
     
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    I personally would not care if he made the post in letters 10 foot tall if it got some sort of reply. After all this is their much heralded change to the Idoc times and as he says it DOES NOT WORK AS THEY SAID IT WOULD. Now that in itself is fine we all know that in R/L things go wrong all the time and we also know that in UO that tends to be the norm rather than the exception. But as ever in UO 'What we have here is a failure to communicate'. I suppose I should be inured to it by now but I am not and it still irritates. All that is ever needed is SOMETHING, just - 'We are aware of the problem of ------- -- ---- and are having problems resolving it so it will not be rectified anytime soon', would be fine at least we know they know and it will be some time. But no, as always ever since I started playing 'Silence reigns' . They made the changes and made a another b...s up of it, we know that, as was said they probably ARE working on the issue, but do we actually know that?. The short answer is NO. The persistent culture of poor communication we have always experienced is with us still. The end of the tunnel remains black as coal.
     
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    deffo not working......5 10 and 15 must be random between 5 and 15????

    thought id get the old idoc boots out from retirement and check out the new new changes...

    found a gw keep on hokuto shard ..timed the GW to IDOC change within a 20 minute window...returned at 5 hours +20 mins and returned at 10 hours +20 mins....didnt fall at either.... after talking to a few guildies decided call it a day as no time due to reallife for the 15 hour slot....went back 90 mninutes or so later all gone!!!....

    so is it totally random between 5 and 15 hours.. this was at least 11 hours 30 or more...crazy...LOLZ

    hangs idoc boots back up for good!!!
     
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    wouldnt it just be easier to go back to the original *all systems THP cries about changing because they dont benefit him* that we played with and enjoyed for 10 years....b4 the lazy moaning minnies *THP* had it changed for the worse just because they cant get there numb heads around it timing the fall!!!! jesus it was so easy and an actual UO skill/template it itself.....newer system then changed then changed then changed and now this!!! 5-10-15....lol...at least the ''young'' problem is hopefully sorted

    [​IMG]
     
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    like i said above.....returns idoc boots back the shelf of retirement were they belong

    was just correcting a issue that was supposed to be 5-10-15 but aint....[whatever trevor]
     
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    Should have just made it so the house dropped between 1 min and 60 mins of going IDOC. Whats with the 5,10 or 15 hour crap? Its a game for gods sake and normal people dont want to spend their lives sitting watching a screen for that length of time, basically doing nothing. Thats meant to be fun? And before anyone says it, unless you know when it went IDOC then you dont know when the 5 hour intervals are so yes, you have to sit and watch for potentially up to 15 hours.
     
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    I agree it's crazy stuff. People do seem to just sit at them for hours. When they are not sitting at IDOCS they are running around looking for them. Maybe they're not normal?

    I agree about the random timer from 1 minute to 1 hour. That would make them a lot more exciting and far less boring.
     
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