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im posting here because we arent welcome anywhere

Discussion in 'Off Topic' started by Ultima_Dork, May 25, 2010.

  1. Ultima_Dork

    Ultima_Dork Grand Poobah
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    we cant post ANYHWERE on this site without being told to get out.

    I will repost here..

    So new staff: Why is that you still refuse you answer any questions for us? Why are you banning so many of our members - many that havent done a single thing wrong AND why cant you just reopen our forum so this can all be done with? Hide the dang thing if you want, just give us our forum, give us the link and hide it from the list. that way your precious people spying from the outside cant see it but we can still have our forum that we deserve! We have been here much longer than you all.
     
  2. Aran

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    I think the problem we're having is nobody wants to address the issue because everyone wants it to just go away. Like everyone they don't like.
     
  3. Ultima_Dork

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    that seems to be the problem.. new people are telling 10+ year posters to get lost because they dont like them. I find that to be bad business.
     
  4. matthewjames

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    We have addressed the issue, and the general OT community shrugs it off. Need I link?
     
  5. Aran

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    You addressed the issue by deleting everything and BANNING EVERYONE INVOLVED.

    That's not addressing an issue, that's being a Nazi.
     
  6. Ultima_Dork

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    no no - we saw your post. a post we cant reply to - a post we cant defend ourselves too.


    Who wears the pants in your company? steb? he seems a bit young to be the big boss of you all..
     
  7. Blackie Lawless

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    You didn't address anything. You're simply trying to sweep it under the rug.

    You (the new mgt) came into an adult forum, one where you were warned what was allowed, where you had to agree to get in.

    Then, when you couldn't hold your own with the big bad OT posters you took your ball (haha, like Steb has any balls) and went home.

    Welcome to the internet, punks. It's not all rainbows and kittens.

    The fact is, everything would have been fine if you had 1) Read the RoC and the stickies in OT-NHB. 2) Kicked back and watched a while. And 3) Most importantly listened to and trusted a staff with years of experience with that particular board.

    Instead, you let a (I'm guessing) 19 year old kid have a tantrum because he couldn't handle being called names on an internet forum.

    B O O H O O.

    Welcome to Stratics. ;)
     
  8. matthewjames

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    No he is not. Me and Steb are on the same level. Head Community Management. The reason the thread was locked, is because we knew the majority of the replies would be flames, not understanding, not even a debate. Just useless replies that will not help the situation you know what I mean? I open the invitation for everyone to pm me that wants to, as so many, calmly, already have. You WILL get a reply from me I promise you that. If I get flooded though, might take some time :p.
     
  9. Forestal

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    Dood. You could have said the same BS with one word: Fear.
     
  10. Aran

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    Yes, let's hide the discussion on a large issue, that'll make things way better!
     
  11. matthewjames

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    Here's the thing. Staff shall never explicitly bow down to sadistic content and users. We gave chances for behavior to be curved. Thorstein said let themselves deal with it, we for a while obliged. Then we noticed that the MODS were allowing and evening fueling, therefore forgoing any of what we talked about. This situation is a double-edged sword and noone is willing to read and undertstand.

    Any more questions feel free to pm me :)
     
  12. Ultima_Dork

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    I can promise you - had we not been attacked - this would have never gone to other forums. We view this as an attack on our homeland. You guys came in with little to no warning, changed everything at the drop of a hat - you got rid of our people and then think we will just roll over and play dead? (zomg is this avatar???)

    You guys must understand - we are a family. We have members that met on the boards and are now living together! Love lives have been made on this board and now you are breaking this family up. We are very defensive of OT - always have been. Its not a pretty place but its our home.

    Our members are rude and crude and we all fight like cats and dogs - but thats what makes a family, ya know? We have all been displaced so many times, from myuo.com breaking apart and then to SnR then pushed into OT.

    Hide us away in the back corner if you must.. but dont take away the home we have. Its not right to the community.
     
  13. Flora Green

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    How unfortunate for you.

    That is irony if I ever saw it.
     
  14. matthewjames

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    Thanks for a good reply! Trust me I really do understand what you mean and I'm fine with that. I don't mind the rudeness etc of the OT members. BUT the rudeness, in my opinion, has been out of control. We were/are/will fix it. I just want everyone to know that were not here to hassle, shove, overthrow or displace anything, anyone. Were just doing what we honestly and whole heartedly think is the right thing to do. I knew there would be massive opposition because of the amount of time these things have been going on.

    Don't get me wrong OT forums are needed and are a good thing to have. It's just, in what way? The over 18 thing is fine. What I do not think is fine and going over the line is wishing death, mutilation etc. If we can get rid of this behavior everything would be amazing!

    We just want Stratics to be a home for everyone, and everyone over 18. What would a normal visitor's first impression of a website be if they read all of those posts in OT? Thanks for understanding in some way.
     
  15. Ultima_Dork

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    I understand where you guys are coming from - but i just hope you all really do understand where we are coming from. I for one didnt care for the allowance of racists comments (and i know my fellow OTers are sick of hearing me say that). We did have rules against porn - very clear rules. Certain members yes, did like to push the envelope, but you will have that on every forum. Every forum has the button pushers and the people that like to see exactly how far they can go. I think for the most part, we were just rowdy. We had that family feel so we felt like we could say anything infront of each other, and we did! I know it must have looked like pure hell to an outsider, and i was sometimes ;) but it was still us just being us. We arent bad people, we are just tired of being pushed around and shoved to the back of the room so no one will see us.
     
  16. Flora Green

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    Why was my post not added?
     
  17. matthewjames

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    No I am not at all saying you are bad people. Trust me I would never say that to someone I did not take the time to get to know. I know what you mean though. I don't know what we will be able to work out, but I will try to get some answers for everyone on what is going on and updates etc.

    I'm sure that, if you are willing to stay (Stratics is a great community I know that for sure), that there will most likely be a resolution to this whole mess. Everyone has gotten off on the wrong foot with each other thats for sure, from both sides, its not just one sides fault. But I do stand by my view of behavior needing to change slightly. Vulgar, and everything is ok. I would just like to curve the racism (very immature and un-needed), and the guro that is being allowed. If we can stop that everything I presume would be ok. It's just trying to get people to accept that. Some will, some won't. It is impossible to please everyone. Though we will try to make a solution to please a majority of users.

    Thanks!
     
  18. matthewjames

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    I would not know :p. I'm not dling anything or editing, maybe it was just a vboard bug :(
     
  19. Blackie Lawless

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    Where was this so called "guro" that everyone keeps talking about?
     
  20. matthewjames

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    It was littered throughout the OT forum. It is something that just does not need to be posted.
     
  21. Aran

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    Unless we have an RoC-free haven like before, no, I don't see things being patched up.
     
  22. MC Square

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    I'm sorry Matthew, I've seen you, Steb (of course I am fairly sure that is you also, not that it really matters) and George as well have this word "guro" tossed around all day, and to be perfectly honest I am 47 years old, extremely well read, 2 master's degrees, lots of life experiences, friends around the world and I have never heard that word till this today. Could you show some examples, because after looking up its meaning, and having it "explained" by a couple friends I can't for the life of me recall ever, since the inception of Stratics - the entire site, not just the OT forum, recall seeing what was described/defined, and trust me when I say I have probably read more posts here than some mods. Though I am sure there have been times when untoward things such as that made their way on more than the OT forum, and were as promptly as possible removed.

    The same could be said about porn, again, I've seen you and/or Steb (if that isn't you) and George as well suggest that OT was overflowing with Porn, when in fact that was the one hard and fast rule that was kept over the years, I've seen folks who were best of friends snipe at one another over even the hint of a bit of areola showing let alone full blown porn.

    Also, I am sure you are aware that in order to access the OT forum, one had to register aside from their normal Stratics registration - in order to show their age, so it's hardly as if anyone could have simply stumbled in here by accident without seeing that OT was a "horse of a different color". If I remember correctly, and it has literally been years since I had to click that special entry button, it is even suggested right there in black and white that one should not just dive into the OT forum, but should read the introductory - and may I say rather comprehensive - guidelines before dipping a toe into the water.

    Of course you can't force people to comply, as you and Steb well know by now, don't you? I tried to warn Steb last night, and he was too busy being rude and obnoxious to me - from my very first comment to him, to take me seriously. Of course he probably edited all my posts for his entertainment - what he was doing when I went to do my dinner dishes prior to logging off for the night. This was a problem - part of the lumping us all together for the banishment... throwing the babies out with the bathwater so to speak... shooting first, asking questions - or trying to save face and blame everyone else later.

    As frustrated as some folks could be in OT and in other areas of Stratics from time to time, I really must say that I am most discouraged, disgusted and disappointed in the two or three of you more so than even our worst OT poster... while I may pop in to see if friends are about in UHall from time to time, I think my posting days, for the most part are done here. (Of course this is assuming I don't get banned like most of the rest of us...).

    Finally, I would like to request, somehow - you figure out how to do it, since you all are the ones who did the disappearing act... that any archived posts/writings you might have by a poster named Leandra be sent to me via private message or via email. Leandra was important to us, and she passed away. I will see that they are archived somewhere safe - so that nothing "happens accidentally" to them, so that they are available to those of us who might like to look back to them. That's just one tiny piece of "history" you've banished, it's the least you could do to help plant a seed of making things right again.
     
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    He's got a guro phobia.
     
  24. Ilysess

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    Hi MC,

    Im not sure that it means much coming from anybody other than the 3 that you discussed, but I do understand your concern regarding Leandras posts and I will see what can be done if anything
     
  25. Zin

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    Thank you.
     
  26. Ellehcim

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    Well, I think it is wonderful that you want the forums re-built in your own image... Except that is not what the majority of posters want, not that you actually took the time to think that through... 3 hours to delete 5-10 years of community, then the *ACCIDENT* of creating another forum and deleting it.

    You do realize that with all the shenanigans last night that you are actively preventing this community from keeping its members knowing how to even contact one another. If we dont have private e-mails addresses, etc friendships have now been severed. You keep typing nice PC bull**** on your computer on how you want everything to be great and all yet you still really dont understand. You think this is going to blow over in 2-3 days. Good luck with that...
     
  27. Ellehcim

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    And while we are on the topic of politically correct...

    Punch a kid or two? Punch your grandma in the ovaries? That is some sick **** Steb... And nobody put words in your mouth there... What is wrong with you?

    I guess we know where Guro came from....

    Steb thinks beating up kids and old people will make a man out of you...

    *waits for the edit*
     
  28. Aurelius

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    Strange, since I've never posted on OT and barely ever read it, since it never had any appeal to me, but what's happened there worries me a lot.

    You see, what Stratics was about was a community - like any community, there were pieces you loved, and pieces you hated and never wanted to hear from again. But that's what a community is. OT allowed for the most controversial of those voices, the poorest taste, the 'difficult' comments - and you've decided that isn't acceptable to you.

    When I read the 'reasons' given by Steb for the closing of the forums, I concluded pretty quickly that what is happening here is people accepted a community that now clashes with a corporate mentality that is about profit ;

    "From a business stand-point, we decided that this isn't the kind of business we want, this isn't the kind of thing we want our potential investors seeing, or business partners and big gaming companies that will give us the opportunity and information our users would like to have. And this isn't the kind of community we want to nurture."

    Community is not defined by someone standing over it wanting to make cash, it's defined by it's component members. I'm not interested in Stratics as a 'business enterprise' for some investor-driven, profit motivated bunch of strangers to build their reputation on. Fine if that's not 'the sort of community you want to nurture' - what Stratics is being made into is not the sort of creature I want to nurture either.

    What you choose to allow, and how you choose to moderate, on your forums is up to you - you pay the bills. It's not an area open for anything if you don't want it to be, and clearly you don't. For me though, which forums I read, post in and communicate through are up to me. Given what's been happening lately with the constant management changes, appearance of some VERY arrogant 'moderators', and it's general desire to be a nice little money-making corporation mean those choices are likely to be other places than the 'new' Stratics.
     
  29. Kiminality

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    PMs could still have been used, at least for those that haven't got themselves banned.
     
  30. Zin

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    You are barking up the wrong tree on this one I think... I understand going after Steb... it makes sense. But Steb basically attacked a whole forum for a few... no point in doing the same mistake back... Won't solve anything. At least until I see something from MJ that warrants this.

    Just my opinion. But the people doing the talking aren't the ones that is the problem. They are just attempting to smooth over a bad situation.

    Edit: And... Uhh... Elle is very likely correct about repercussions if no real discussion happens on the boards with the persons in staff that was involved. I mean there are a few posters that have some pull with some of the professional trolls that were on OT... But it's not like there is much to work with here.
     
  31. Ellehcim

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    Are you trying to be funny? Do you assume that everyone checks their PM's?

    What if everything you worked for, you know the entire content of your work on the forums was wiped without notice?

    I cannot believe the insensitivity here...

    Thanks kimi for letting us know where you stand.
     
  32. Kiminality

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    No humour intended.
    I was merely pointing out that the possibility for communication with other users, for whom you may not possess other contact details, does exist.
    However, it's a mostly moot point, since regardless of whether they would have checked them, some of your number have/are removing themselves from that option.

    With that comment, I'm not taking sides.
    It's a simple statement of fact that, if you and I were friends, and the only means I'd kept to communicate with you was on the forums, then getting banned would remove that ability. It would actually say a lot for how much I valued the friendship, that it wouldn't weigh favourably against whatever fleeting rush or whatever the act that got me banned gave.

    If we're bringing up insensitivity, I'd like to make a brief mention of the affect this has had on other forums.
    During one of the initial discussions, I supported the continued existence of NHB, and I had some sympathy for your position.
    But bringing all this drama to all the other forums, causing extra work to the mods, and disruption to everyone has been whittling that sympathy down.

    I'm sick of all of this, so I'm just going to ask - can you PM me the address of this "new home" I hear talk about.
    I used to enjoy occasional lurking on NHB, if it suited my mood, and I'd like to still have that option.
     
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    What other course of action would you say we had? Our voice had effectively been taken away from us. I know that I couldn't get anyone on the other side to answer a PM. We had no choice except to take the fight to another yard. Besides that, don't think for a second this doesn't concern everyone on Stratics. This effects a lot more than just those of us from OT whether you want to believe that or not.
     
  34. Zin

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    True. But... Until some satisfaction is had I seriously doubt it'll stop for long. Stebs was wrong. He should not have done what he did. Editing posts in the fashion he did and leaving them there for the public to see is not something any staff member should do. Ever. There is absolutely no reason for it other than the staff member trying to degrade or humiliate the poster and/or poster base. Abuse of power. Now... Some people are abusing the system against that power.

    I say again... the wrong people are talking here. It should be Stebs.
     
  35. Sarsmi

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    %5 of the board has been causing problems and that erodes 100% of your sympathy. I say it never existed in any great quality to begin with, if it is so easy for you to lose just because of a little extra work.

    ...

    You won't get it from me.
     
  36. Aran

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    FYI Kimi is full of hate and contempt.
     
  37. Sarsmi

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    I appreciate that you guys are making an effort. How much of that effort is motivated by the loss of a huge percentage of your audience (and therefore revenue) is a matter of debate.

    I think there is a lack of understanding on your parts about the nature of OTNHB and why it worked as it did, and why another board with different rules to appease the more morally conservative would not.

    It would take too long to explain the nature of the relationships formed, the meanings and intentions within the nuances of phrase that were commonly employed. Or even not so common, but rather understood because of who posted what. Like Aran posting DIAF, in order to really "get" that this is not some repulsive sentiment you have to know that it is something he has said 1000 times over (a fairly conservative estimate). In it's very repetition the meaning is lost, and the intention isn't even to irritate so much as out of habit.

    There have been soaring discussions formed from disparate personalities, ridiculous threads, exceedingly offensive threads, expressions of love and humor, and everything in between. As was mentioned, there are many posts by Leandra, a true lady with a sharp tongue, a sweet disposition, and a real way with words. If there could be any way of simply rendering the OTNHB forum read only, with the 18+ warning in place, I'd personally be very grateful. And I think it would help. I don't think many of us hold hope that NHB will come back in the same format we are used to, and any other OT forum wouldn't be the same.
     
  38. Kiminality

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    Actually way less than 5% have been causing problems, and they themselves have done less whittling than the general sense of sustained drama.
    No one wants the **** to hit the fan when they're hoping for a peaceful day.
     
  39. Kiminality

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    Don't forget the rage and disapproval.
     
  40. MC Square

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    Thanks :)
     
  41. Cyric

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    lol
     
  42. Gruggo

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    In turn, your civility and willingness to even address the issues in a public forum are appreciated.

    You may have the best of intentions and I don't think that changes itself would have had the same results, but the manner in which it was done left much to be desired. The way that it was done definitely conveyed the attitude that you guys were in charge and unilateral changes were being effected. That being said, it's probably not worth it to discuss it anymore as it happened and we can't change it, but we hopefully learn from it.

    Several thoughts come to mind in response.

    First off, I don't ever believe that No Holds Barred was ever meant to be or was ever held up as the poster child of all that Stratics stood for. In fact, I believe that it was created with some safeguards of making it difficult for the normal visitor to just wander in there. There were warning signs posted all over so that people knew what they were getting into. It reminds me of the time when the Siege Perilous came into existence in UO. It wasn't for everyone as there wasn't any safe harbors, but if you went there, you really couldn't complain.

    Second, the NHB forum was pretty unique and I would imagine that a website would want forums like that to distinguish itself amongst the other competing sites. The no hold barred aspect definitely kept the board active, pertinent and drama-filled, which is exactly what kept people coming back. The ability to freely express your opinions is quite refreshing and desirable in a world that many feel has become too PC. I wouldn't be surprised if the attitude expressed by Kiminality isn't echoed amongst many other posters in that while it wasn't exactly their cup of tea on a daily basis, it was interesting to read once in a while.

    Third, I don't believe that the forum was as out of control as you make it seem. While other posters above me have brought up specific instances in response to your expressed perception. I just wanted to add that at least one time that questionable pornographic material was posted by someone toeing the line, it spawned a pretty long thread wherein the line was discussed. I actually think that the mods did a good job of keeping the balance between free expression and degeneration.

    Fourth, as to the threats to people, while I think that it is part of the nature of the forum, I would imagine that rules implementing such a change could be done. I would just add that (1) "DIAF" kind of became a standard greeting for newcomers such that it became a running joke and (2) for every aggressive personality that would be really hostile to newcomers, you also had posters that could be pretty welcoming.

    I'm not sure where I'm going with this post, but I do know that a forum that I thought was pretty unique is now gone. Can it be reinstated? I don't know as the damage done might be irreparable. I do know that if it is your company's desire to retain any aspect of what was OT-NHB, you will have to work with the people of that forum that had some sway. In my mind, those would be Trillian, Thor, Vivian and Brekkee.

    While I am sure that there is much more going on in the background than I know, I surmise that there were hotheads on both sides and that this situation escalated beyond what it should have. Those people probably should not be part of the solution. Bottom line is it is your call.
     
  43. Faerunner

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    I'd just like to add that Steb really made a bad impression not only personally but as a representative of TGN, and that I honestly hope that others outside the OT forum saw what went on and were able to judge it for what it was rather than what the company's official take was, because I don't think he should get away with that kind of immature, unprofessional behavior and pretend that everything is just fine now that OT is gone.

    I'm not a regular poster on OT. I pop in and out; I lurk. I like the people there, however, and I've been closer to making friends with a lot of them than I have with anyone else for quite a while. OT takes a long time to get used to. You don't just jump in, and no matter how friendly you are you're going to get trolled, flamed, and generally "abused". The people on OT are probably the most mature people on the forum - they understand when something is meant in fun and when something has crossed a line, and they're willing to let you know when you cross it. So for someone like Steb to jump into the forum headfirst, without listening to all those people warning him off, and then throw a fit and start editing posts when he didn't get the warmhearted, brownnosing welcome he expected? Unacceptable.

    I could have dealt with changes in the RoC, if they had been up-front. I would have preferred a vote, but I understand the desire of management to remove "objectionable" content so that the investors aren't exposed to it. That said, I do not condone protecting investors from anything. They ought to be able to see exactly what their investment is doing, and if TGN was so worried about OT, the Stratics merger/takeover should not have happened until Stratics staff had time to "solve" the "problems" - don't tell me you didn't investigate before you took over! And I probably could have dealt with Steb editing a few posts, if it had been done in the spirit of OT - harmless fun, give-and-take. But he got upset, made some stupid decisions, and here we are.

    And I'm pissed, because quite frankly this has shown me exactly how little you guys cared about the people here; that you would let any of your members handle things like this, that you would punish the many for the actions of the few, and that you wouldn't even consult active staff here before any of this happened. You, matthew, don't seem like such a bad guy. Neither does George. I'm sorry you're in the crossfire... but "one bad apple..." and all that.
     
  44. Taylor

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    Both Steb and mathewjames appear to have had their forum privileges downgraded. They are no longer site administrators, but are now site moderators. This means that, at the very least, they cannot delete entire forums or edit member posts.

    To George's credit, this change was a step in the right direction.
     
  45. FyreGoddess

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    I fully expect to be told that I'm not a welcome voice in this discussion, but I really don't care.

    I popped into OT 2 days ago for the first time in years to see what was going on after a FB friend made a mention of things going down. I was shocked and disgusted at what that forum had become. What was once a place for people to let their hair down and for trolls to hone and perfect their skills has turned into a cesspit of ugliness and vitriol. The threads that I opened (until I was completely turned off) were all about sex, violence and poop or any combination of those three.

    I watched as the "new overlords" came in and said hello and were answered with abusive language and immature behavior. There was absolutely no effort made to welcome or even accept new management. Don't tell me THEY started it, I saw where it started, and it started off confrontational and pissy. You guys are trolls (as am I) and always have been. However, to say "Welcome to OT, if you don't like it, **** off and die" is a downright STUPID welcome to the people who control your access to your "home".

    It's been four years since I was a part of this community. When I was, it consisted of some of the most skilled trolls I have ever met in my life and I learned a lot from them. What I saw yesterday and the day before was not skilled trolling, it was a kindergarten-level tantrum. There's no maturity in there. There also aren't really any new members in there. In FOUR YEARS. So far I've recognized every single poster that I've seen wreaking havoc, getting banned and blaming other people.

    You know, I remember the first (?) time this happened. When the admin at the time decided, without talking to anyone or even saying why, that he was shutting down the forums. It was the catalyst that caused me to leave. That situation wasn't about new management or new policies, it was about a power trip by a longtime Stratics community member. A member who is now hypocritically complaining about the lack of explanation and warning.

    You guys aren't the victims here. That community had gotten to the point of being completely out of hand. To expect someone to just accept the level of nastiness and blatant, unskilled trolling (you guys are SO MUCH BETTER than that!) is downright delusional. To then take out your anger on the gaming forums WHERE YOU ALL STARTED is childish and petty.

    Honestly, this isn't about right or wrong. This isn't a matter of me taking sides. That said, someone needs to tell you how you appear to the outside world. I'm not a part of that community anymore and, having seen what it's become, I wouldn't want to be.

    And that sucks. Because it was a good community for a long time, but it's become so insular that I don't honestly think that you can really see it for what it is anymore.
     
  46. Zin

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    No. I see this as I'm giving them a chance of making things as right as they can, while still doing what they want with their own boards. I don't mind that they are going a different direction. I do mind getting **** on.

    Satisfying me will be easy... A public apology from Stebs for handling the situation in the worst way possible. And I want him to explain how he did it in the wrong way. Asking for accountability is not too much to ask.

    Trill or Dani... Please copy and past my response in the staff forums please.
     
  47. Dani

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    Yes, please.
     
  48. Lord Chaos

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    OMG...this childish behavior by OT posters (and now childish drama) in a way makes me glad OT is gone.

    Please get over yourselves with the importance of OT and how much of family we had, the "family" is only brought up when it suits your needs. OT was a place for most to rant and throw feces at eachother, the community was only a bond of existing in the same place and getting used to eachother. And if you truly see OT as a "home", then you need to step away from your computer, its a forum, get over it.

    To say that OT wasn't vile, hurtful and without bounds, and its just "people that needs getting used to" is just way out there, way way out there. Many have been messed up or hurt by OT, both readers and participants. Heck, I was part of it, I discussed with many both in Voon, IRC, PM and others, and you damn well meant the crap you posted.

    You guys say Steb acted immature? Honestly you guys acted like spoiled 5 year olds over a message forum. Go to Troll Cave, you have a place to post already, don't need to mess up a gaming community.
     
  49. I don't post round these parts much these days after the way certain members of senior management shafted me in times gone past - but I have to say that from what I can make out, this is no longer the Stratics I once knew, loved, worked for, and spent many hours racking up thousands of posts on across several forums.

    It is not the management that make a forum what it is - it is its members, as without them posting, there would be no community (or advertising revenue, for that matter, which seems to be more intrusive than it used to be).

    Whoever runs Stratics these days would do very well to remember this wisdom.

    I've had my differences with most of OT over my time over there - but I'm putting our differences aside for now and joining them in saying "put things back how they were".
     
  50. Lord Chaos

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    Why should they show any particular care about a vile group of people consisting of at most 30-40 people over thousands of users? Please get over the selfimportance.

    Its an old tactic to paint one guy as the "bad guy", paint the rest as "not bad innocents", then concentrate your attack on the one bad guy.