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In order to attract new players, would you support the addition of grandfathered hou

Discussion in 'UO Siege Perilous' started by Kat, Mar 13, 2010.

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In order to attract new players, would you support the addition of grandfathered hous

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  1. Kat

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    In the interest of determining whether this would be an acceptable change for Siege: In order to attract new players, would you support the addition of grandfathered housing, which would need to be refreshed once per week?

    Last poll! Just gathing information.
     
  2. Kat

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    Re: In order to attract new players, would you support the addition of grandfathered

    Sorry for the incomplete question. It was apparently too long and I didn't get a warning that would have allowed me to change it. Below is the entire question...

    "In order to attract new players, would you support the addition of grandfathered housing, which would need to be refreshed once per week?"
     
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    Re: In order to attract new players, would you support the addition of grandfathered

    i checked no BUT i ment yes i think that would be fine
     
  4. Hugibear

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    not checking either, becuase I like this idea but there needs to be a size limit on this. I think 10x10 is the largest that should be allowed for this option.
     
  5. HaHa

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    I checked no, flat out. Give them a larger bank space. We had an issue years ago where prodos where coming here, placing a house and never playing here. In my neighborhood now there are 3 houses that are still like that.
     
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    Kat you have some good ideas i'm not knocking you. But I really think we all need to come together and concentrate on just one thing at a time... And I say Black Rock would be the best thing to start with... So lets rally up and get on it!!!
     
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    Im with HaHa on this..we need more players, not more abandoned house on this shard.
     
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    Re: In order to attract new players, would you support the addition of grandfathered

    I can't vote as grandfathered would mean they would have to refresh their home on old shard too, I don't think many will be willing to do that.

    I would like players to be able to place a second home on Siege but max size should be 7x7 and it should have to be refreshed each 3 weeks.

    I do find increase of bank size a better way.
     
  9. Mitzlplik_SP

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    Re: In order to attract new players, would you support the addition of grandfathered

    Ya but its hard to ignore so many people stating that the biggest reason they don`t play/try Siege is because they can`t own a house on more than one shard. A bigger bank box ain`t it IMHO, people want to be able to lock their stuff down or decorate and all that stuff. No one wants to live like a bum out of one box..... even if its a real big box.

    I don`t see how making housing avail on SP would be that hard to turn on. I do agree though that they need to be refreshed. That way even if they don`t stay,it won`t be a long term problem with houses sitting empty.

    I don`t think there should be a size limit to the house IF it is indeed a house that needs refreshing in order to keep it standing. What difference does it make how big it is if they all come down w/o refreshing?

    I love th BR training thing but I think that making housing available would be a huge step and prolly the easiest in attracting new SP people.
     
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    Size limit on the house and periodic refeshing would be o.k. I guess for a second house on Siege. I would just hate to see 20,000 houses pop up and still have very few actualy playing the shard. If this were not controled correctly, it could make it harder for those that want to play here full time to place in a good location. Maybe using a specific underutilized area for this?
     
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    Re: In order to attract new players, would you support the addition of grandfathered

    I haven't voted on this topic yet because I am still undecided. I can see both sides of the issues.

    I agree with Mitz that a bigger bank box isn't the answer. People want a place to call HOME. How many of you playing prodo now either have your own house or at least have a guild house to train in or a place drop stuff off? Imagine if you didn't have that- Would you still be playing prodo if YOU had to live out of the bank box?

    I understand the fear of dozens of houses popping up and never seeing their owners. Sadly we have that situation now. How many dirt plots have been sitting untouched since the day they were placed? How long has that house been sitting at the Brit moongate with empty vendors? The need to be refreshed could help with abandoned plots. It's only the owner that can refresh, correct? Not co-owners or friends? Every week may be too often. Two weeks might be better.

    I know I have been away from the game for awhile, but I don't consider myself gone yet. I hope to get the motivation to come back someday.
     
  12. Black magick

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    I'm kinda with kage on this. It's good to find where everyone is at with the issues, but lets focus on one thing at a time.
     
  13. rieley

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    Re: In order to attract new players, would you support the addition of grandfathered

    I would love to play Siege again.

    A 7 x 7 would be fine. For me, setting up looms, spinning wheels, other crafting objects where I can craft more safely than in a town. In addition, when out farming or logging a run to my small house to lock down my resources is what is needed. It's not simply storage that I need, it's a place to work. Actually play on Siege.

    Sitting on a bug also give storage, however a dead bug is a huge loss of resources. Need to drop off the resources as we farm.

    For a player that doesn't PVP a place to run to safety is needed. I am NOT afraid to die, or I would have NO interest in playing Siege. On the other hand, playing a ghost is not what I look forward to either.

    In addition, please consider another huge factor. To drop a house on a prodo shard is not that easy. No reason to go into details, just think about it. Wouldn't one set up a place to live and get a start on Siege before considering dropping an established house on another shard? A 7x7 would atleast be some type of transition. Even if it were in a specific area/location. ROT, one charater, all these other issues really arent that bad and many may realize that once they try Siege out. However it's too difficult to even try Siege out, the actually game play of Siege. All most can do at this point is come visit and watch Siege.

    Just my opinion :)
     
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    Re: In order to attract new players, would you support the addition of grandfathered

    To prevent the people from placing and not playing maybe they can make them refreshable :) not every week but at least 2-3 weeks they have to dbl click their sign or soemthing even allow friend on the house to refresh the home etc.
     
  15. TerryFyde

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    Re: In order to attract new players, would you support the addition of grandfathered

    Not voted yet simply because i am not sure.

    I want more people to play Siege and i understand players needing a house on a shard they play, however, i share the fear others have stated regarding "an empty housing estate". Perhaps a 3 weeks must refresh or immediate fall of second house on account for Siege might be the answer as this, i imagine, would allow for most vaction periods.
     
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    Re: In order to attract new players, would you support the addition of grandfathered

    Never seen you who are you ig?
     
  17. GarthGrey

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    Re: In order to attract new players, would you support the addition of grandfathered

    As a "New to Sieger" I gotta say, the Black Rock option is only good for Sieges current inhabitants. It does absolutely nothing for new players. It only provides Fresh Meat for the Vets. Which is fine for you guys, for a little while, until the newbs get tired of the Hit Squads. NEW title or not it will do more harm than good. You guys want to do something without the need of Dev involvement for now? Those of you selling accounts you no longer play on, sell them to Non Siege'rs....it's a No brainer really. Stop selling them to people that already play the shard.
     
  18. Black magick

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    Seriously? Black rock does nothing for new players?
     
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    Re: In order to attract new players, would you support the addition of grandfathered

    I very quickly Made arrangements to place a prodo house once I realized that I would be playing there alot. I even got someone much more talented at house design to build it:). I think a 2 week refresh timer with a size limit would be a fine idea.
     
  20. Vaelix

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    Re: In order to attract new players, would you support the addition of grandfathered

    90% Of the PvPers on Siege will leave Half trained Blue characters alone..

    This is how I and most of the "Real" Pvpers look at pvp..

    We are not Interested in the Kill.. We are interested in the Fight that got us there.

    Only the worthless "PKers" Who generally die when fighting an Opponent who can actually fight back are interested in Killing New Characters.. Krystal is a good example of this.. Shes all about attacking the New players who cannot fight back and Die in 1 hit, However ya put her up against a Suited Player and Shes no problem at all.

    Blackrock will be extremely helpful for *Any* players.. Not just Siege Vets.
     
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    Again, it will be great for those that are already on the shard. You really think that everyone is going to let all new players gain skills in piece? Seriously?
     
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    That is what the "anti-pker" is for.
     
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    Again, the Anti-Pker will be an already established Blue..great, he/she will have something exciting to do..
     
  24. Kat

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    Re: In order to attract new players, would you support the addition of grandfathered

    The following may also answer to HaHa's post...

    Actually, the way "grandfathered housing" currently works is like this: If a player has houses say... 1 on Atlantic, 1 on Siege and 3 on Chessie, that player has the option of making 1 house their "Primary" house which does not have to be refreshed. All the other houses, do have to be refreshed in order to keep them. That is why I used the term "grandfathered". If a player from Atlantic decides he wants to play siege, under this option, he could place a house on Siege and pick the one he wants to be primary and the secondary house would have to be refreshed. If he wants to throw all his time into Siege, he could make his Atlantic house primary and protect all he has worked for there and make the Siege house secondary and can refresh it as he plays here. The time between refreshes is certainly open to debate... I probably should have given some options for that. I picked a weekely refresh so that player would have to work at keeping that house in a refreshed state if he doesn't stay.

    Kage - I can't take credit for any of these ideas. I simply picked up on some key ideas that a lot of us seemed to like during some recent discussions and decided to see where the majority stood on the issue.

    IMO... Siege is in full cardiac arrest and needs a good blow to the chest to save it this time instead of a bandaid. =/

    My intention was/is to propose 2 or 3 changes to the dev team, that the vast majority can agree on. I feel like if we can present them with a few solid ideas we agree on [and evidence of that agreement, they might be willing to do it all at once or over a short period of time, to give Siege that boost we need to get new players interested. However, if yall feel like we should only propose one item... blackrock, for instance, then we can do that. My intentions are simply to do it in an organized fashion and hopefully without a lot of arguing when we do present it.

    We'll have to wait and see how the housing issue plays out, but after the recent polls and discussion on blackrock, the list of changes we would ask for are:

    -The reintroduction of T2A Blackrock Skill Gain Areas
    -Second Character Slot [70+ percent voted yes]
    -Add Siege to the list of shards upon login [Overwhelming support in the initial poll]

    We have not agreed on any timers or caps for RoT changes, but everyone does seem to agree that additional changes should be made. We could include that as well and let the devs decide what they should be? If someone would like to poll that, feel free. I've probably worn out my welcome with my recent polls! lol
     
  25. Kat

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    Re: In order to attract new players, would you support the addition of grandfathered

    No, Garth, they probably won't, but during the previous blackrock event, we saw the LARGEST influx of new players I have witnessed in my nearly 5 years on Siege. Yes, PK's will be checking the areas, but as before, there will be folks around [anti-pk's] to help protect new players. I can't fight my way out of a paper bag, but I spent plenty of my time out there gaining skill, rezzing players, allowing other players to hit, heal, track, detect me for gains.

    Its not for the fainthearted, Garth, but IMO, it is the perfect risk vs. reward system for Siege. And if blackrock were implemented next monday, I'd venture to say that there aren't many around who would mess with you at all! lol
     
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    Re: In order to attract new players, would you support the addition of grandfathered

    Thats what is great about it. BR epitomized the Siege experience; high reward for high risk.
     
  27. Vaelix

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    Re: In order to attract new players, would you support the addition of grandfathered

    Most real pvpers could careless if someone is Training the Character..

    From my perspective, I'd rather leave you alone so you can get Finished.. That way i can actually fight you.. Instead of attacking you Half trained and 1 Shotting you.

    PvPing is Fun..
    Pking is Boring..
     
  28. Førsaken

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    Re: In order to attract new players, would you support the addition of grandfathered

    Pros:

    -Could help increase Siege Perilous population

    Cons:

    -Could increase the number of inactive players/houses on Siege Perilous

    Point:

    -Houses could bring some people to Siege Perilous-is that really what's keeping them from here?
     
  29. Kat

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    Re: In order to attract new players, would you support the addition of grandfathered

    When asked in UHell, housing was one of the things many players mentioned. Most didn't want to lose their house on their current shard, but would like to have a house on Siege if they played here.

    Is that -alone- keeping them from playing here? I don't think so, but Rot [amount of time to make a char], lack of housing and one character slot were the top three complaints as far as I could tell.
     
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    My vote would be yes if they had to refresh their homes here if secondary from their primary homes on other shards.

    I would not object to the typical sandstone, villa, log cabin sizes for this. 7 x7 is just too puny, for anyone IMO, really.

    My caution [thus not yet voting yes yet], is simple, the dev. team would have to put in some system that would NOT mess over our primary no refresh homes, already here.

    I sure as heck do not want to have to suddenly cuz of some UO Coding patch unforseen glitches, they may make; causing us to have to refresh all our primary homes on Siege in some goof that maybe the dev. team does to Siege, where they or the coding, make the change happen 'all across the board' for homes here to have to be refreshed weekly, instead of just for those coming here wanting their *second* homes here.

    I never liked refreshing homes on any shard. I figure if we pay for the acct. our 'primary one home permitted per shard per acct.' should STAND, refreshed or not so long as we are payin them for it keeping our acct. with primary home/s active. So I do not wish to see OUR homes go into refresh only mode with this change, when or if they would permit, new arrivals to place a *second* home here that is NOT their primary like ours here may be.

    Well ya never know with the dev. team. or old UO coding. Thus I didnt vote yes ...yet.

    I have no objections to new arrivals getting to place a *secondary* refresh it weekly or refresh whenever type #2 home here vila, log cabin or sandstone sizes, but we are the shard that got chr. transfer tokens as gifts from the dev. team for SIEGE, afterall. :)rolleyes:

    We have to be careful what we ask them to do & how, making it clear not to mess over existing UO coding for our primary homes here or that they fix some glitch in some timely process so we do not loose our Primary needing no refreshing homes here, in the process.
    Just sayin' :)
     
  31. GarthGrey

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    Re: In order to attract new players, would you support the addition of grandfathered

    That's a respectable response I can live with. Knowing the Devs history, if they respond at all, it will be with 1 change out of 5 that were offered by the board. I just want it to be the best one for all involved.
     
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    you think if players could transfer their char here and place a house freely... they would stay?


    I highly doubt it.


    More to it than that.

    Yew gate, champ spawn, factions, etc. PvP vs Krystal house empty luna PvP.

    Monster bashing in safety for same reward you get for monster bashing in a challenging environment here? hah. Yeah.

    Crafting used to be a plus... dunno how Imbuing's shaped that.

    Thieves. A plus.. though... I know they've made concerted efforts to improve this playstyle on prodo.

    etc. etc.

    Focus... on playstyles.

    Simply focusing on bringing people here has not worked. Well it has, but we dont need dev help doing it... it's not going to fix the problem, but rather only share the problem with more people.

    ...
     
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    I'd say this right here has contributed the most to Sieges lower than we'd like population.

    If you all want something to focus on.
     
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    Re: In order to attract new players, would you support the addition of grandfathered

    Why not open the floodgates for doom arties (maybe one drops per doom boss room and per DF or even build up points and buy the exact arty maybe trade in at Nix), reopen ToT full time and make all new Ter Mur peerless and mini champs have a guaranteed or very high chance of dropping new arties. Then turn blackrock area back on.

    Would increase the reward for risk, and would be unique and less grind for prodo players, would attract both PvM players wanting to grind less and PK/PvPers as all the old hot spots would draw folks again. Also with this system factions would become less unbalanced as non factioneers could build a suit (still takes work but not so long).

    As things stand now I can see why people from siege are going to Atlantic, this shard is dead 90% of the time and player base is dominated by the uber rich long term players. I started last May on Siege and once my current sub runs out I dont think I will be renewing unless some pretty big changes are made soon I can now see why most new siegers last less than a year.

    Normally I hate EA changing stuff it ends up being worse and I have supported UO since 97 even when they implemented AoS but in this situation they have to do something. This is just an opinion off the top of my head and yes it will drastically change the economy but Id rather see everything for under 200k then 0 people on the shard, something needs to be done. Otherwise if EA doesnt change we should all close our accounts together and go zerg Darkfall or something :D
     
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    I voted yes, Siege is empty as hell, it cant hurt.
     
  36. Black magick

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    I voted aye, but out of all the changes we have been polling on this one is probably the least likely to happen.
     
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    Cast your vote by weeks end!
     
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    Kat, I voted "no". I think your previous idea of significantly increased bank storage for all chars on Siege was an easier solution to this issue, and one that will be fairly applied to everyone who plays Siege.

    We have too many bugs with unintended "forever" houses as it is, IMO.

    -Skylark
     
  39. TerryFyde

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    Only have 2 chars on shard, Con Jurer and Tez T Fyde, (Petra has nicked other accounts for her chars). :sad3:

    I do not mind if you or others do NOT see me in game, it means chars do not lose their kit as often.:stretcher:
     
  40. Kat

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    Any more votes? There were 70ish in one of our other polls. Where ever you stand, get your votes in ASAP. UHall post and PM's go out Monday!
     
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    yes, BUT with a few rules imo.. i know this wont happen but i think it would be a nice idea.. character has to be so old/ have so many skill points(of course to prevent people from just placing a house for the hell of it) and of course no auto refresh.
     
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    IMO, thats actually the best idea I've heard yet.
     
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    Why can't we take an area far off in Malas where no one has placed a home and convert it to an area for grandfathered homes. I'm sure an EM can arrange for a gate to be placed in the middle of this town. Would promote people placing an extra house here ( perhaps even limit it to old school homes no bigger than a large marble ) and actually work on some community as well for newer players.

    Naturally some stipulations would be required for home refreshes but would be an interesting promotion on UOHerald for Siege Perilous.
     
  44. HaHa

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    I like this one....