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Inconsistent artwork - the new flowerpots

Discussion in 'UHall' started by Piotr, Apr 3, 2015.

  1. Piotr

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    Oops, you did it again! :twak:

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    i couldn't agree more. we totally don't have enough neon in the game.
     
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    They have been giving circular objects that aspect since Samuri Empire. I remember back in the day I was complaining that these kind of objects did not have the right perspective when compared to other circular objects like dye tubs and the plant pots you posted, and Cathat (I think it was) who was the Art lead at the time chimed in saying that 100% was the correct aspect because that was the aspect that floor tiles used (technically correct), and that the original artist had made an aesthetic choice to give them a tilted perspective, they clearly did not like that choice, and abandoned it. So, they know it's off, they just think this is the right way to do it. Despite the fact that the way the original artist did it is 100% better looking, and I think everyone agrees.

    Especially with stuff like this. If you look at the art the way they made it, the base is top down, so from that perspective you should expect the plant to sort of be... listing to one side, like an plant growing toward an obscured light source, rather than up toward the sun. It just looks weird.
     
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    I think the Arcane Circle was the first object I noticed - and complained about, already in closed beta- and then the Codex of Virtue and the stone planters from the anniversary tickets.

    I just made this simple illustration to make it clear: :smile2:

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    I still remember seeing the bushel of green tea leaves and thinking... "Really? Do they not see how weird that looks?"

    Yup, the arcane circle was hideous, and they changed it because everyone hated it, but they refused to change the style. I have no idea why.
     
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    The smaller flower pots look right (or closer), but not the taller ones. From what I can see in the pics, haven't seen them in game yet.
     
  7. DevilsOwn

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    can't like these posts enough.. always want to put a coin or two under the bottom end of these things to make them sit right
     
  8. MalagAste

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    I agree it's been an issue for quite awhile. .. I recall complaining about the anniversary planters I refuse to use the the perspective is all off as well as that silver sapling. Not to mention that many items don't sit properly in the tiles. The Blackthorn stuff is extremely annoying.
     
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    Yea one of the reasons I ignore 90% of new items. They simply don't fit. Different resolution and wider pallet don't help either.
     
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    Oh I agree with you about the newer stuff looking out of place and often out of focus.
     
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    Yea the plants are really awkward looking. This game is looking so contorted nowadays. Devs keep releasing art like this and I'm gonna puke.
     
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    they to pick one, hopefully the better of the two and stick with it. I don't use the stone planters either. They just plain look wrong.
     
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    I think they look great : )
     
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    The new plants are pretty, but the change in perspective with many of the newer items is rather jarring.
     
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    Well they let go of Grimm, what do you expect?
     
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    I like the new perspective better it gives a better 3d image when you stay true to uo perspective alot of older stuff looks like it have no depth some of the worst is the gargish traditional vase and the fountain
    If it was not for the nice texture on the vase it would look like someone paste it there and the fountain look bent out of shape because the bottom circle is close to uo perspective but the other 2 is not

    But so many do not like circular objects in this perspective so I think it would be best if the devs try to avoid them or hide the circular base with leaves or something like they did on the small potted plant
     
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    Uhhh... you DO know that most of the 'off' artwork happened while Grimm was in charge of art, right?
     
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    They look like plants to me. Why are we worried about slight differences?
     
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    You're right... but then:

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    Boom! Yes, we can! :smile2:
     
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    If a straight top-down view was "correct" (which is the only way a full circle makes sense), then shouldn't we only see our characters' heads and shoulders? I rather prefer the angled look... the straight top down just doesn't look right next to either characters or older artwork.

    What's really weird to me is that that the orchid pot looks angled and the little tree pot does not. There appears to be no consistency or standard when two items distributed at the same time like this are drawn from different perspectives.

    I like the new flowers and I'm very glad they both decided to add some more potted plants and made a nice collection of items that are worth logging in for, but I wish they'd stick to the angled look for new artwork additions.
     
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    Yeah, maybe they hired more artists for SA?
     
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    Yeah, everything is clearly at an angle. Who knows.
     
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    Both are probably drawn the same way if I have to guess in a 3d program then converted to fit UO the only difference is that you can not see the round top on the small one because it is hidden with leaves

    The way uo creat an 3d image never was a good one but it is all of UO square items aswell it is just not so noticeable with them that the image is distorted

    If it was up to me i would keep on drawing them like they do now only cover up round low objects so the flaw in uo perspective will not be so ovious