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Insurance or not!?!

Discussion in 'UHall' started by cdavbar, May 8, 2010.

  1. cdavbar

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    After reading the newest thread on the current event many turned it into a fel/tram thread as well as battles over insurace etc that makes pvp useless anywyas as far as rewards.

    I have one solution for this as they will never merge the facets together due to houseing on both.

    Allow insurance, but for PvM only! In the case of PvP only blessed items will stay in your backpack. This makes the risk higher in fel, but I also believe there needs to be more fel based content. Instead of adding another land mass in the future, add something to fel only, people will have to learn to work as a team and will have to take risks if they want that new super apron. And if you dont, then plain and simple, the criminals keep it!

    And what if you actually slaughter that red attacking you?!? YOU WILL get to loot their stuff without the criminal tag or murder count! wouldnt that be nice!

    -What would others think about this exclusinary rule for insurance reguarding PvP?
     
  2. hen

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    Your idea is almost interesting. On the cusp of greatness.
    Now I, hen, will steal you idea and turn it into something workable.
    What if insurance only works in PVP? That is my great idea.
     
  3. I actually was going to post this, but got distracted. Make insurance only work in Fel, it would make it so that people wouldn't (at least after a while after they got used to the changes) fear PvP so much.


    Meanwhile it would encourage players to play in Fel more, while making Trammel an actual challenge.

    /signed
     
  4. Guido_LS

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    Why are you, and some others, so intent on completely messing with other people? Are some people here so dense as to not realize that when you **** people off enough, they leave? AoS wasn't the final nail in the UO coffin - taking away what makes a substantial group of people happy now, today, will.

    You guys have got to get it through your heads... not everyone wants to go to Felucca. There's nothing going for it, other than double resources. It's either completely empty, or, in cases like today's /ahem event, a bottleneck for the PK's to masturbate all over each other in ecstasy at the easy kills, and then come and trash talk the carebear Trammies here on Stratics.

    You all seem hell bent to somehow punish the players that prefer the Trammel lifestyle, as if they somehow pee'd in your Wheaties, when in, all reality, it was the dev's that crapped all over your play style. This goes right on down the line to good ole Garriott, who didn't have the cajones to stand and fight in what he supposedly truly believed in.

    You want your classic shard - I truly hope that it arrives. But quit trying to throw your mores on to everyone else. Get it through your head that people DON'T WANT TO DEAL WITH NON-CON PvP. It's bad enough that we have one Dev that openly condones grief play. I hope for the sake of the UO player base, at least a couple of people still employed there have some sense, or there won't be any servers, carebear, classic or otherwise.
     
  5. I care what happens to UO as a whole, and I think that the path of NO RESISTANCE that the previous dev teams put the game on is not a good path.

    Since you want to know what my interest in the matter is, I will tell you.

    Current UO is FULL of self entitled players that get all upset if they have to take even a shred of risk. These same players horde everything in sight, and then get upset if they can't get new things to horde on a regular basis. This cannot sustain itself forever. There is nothing about the current model that UO is following that suggests to me that it will be around in 2-4 years. Games that rely entirely on items to keep players interest have limited longevity.

    You might disagree. And I respect your right to do so. But that is my opinion on the matter, and my suggestions are simply what I personally think will improve the game in the long run. Does that mean that everyone that plays currently will stay on and keep playing...no. Does that mean that the game will not shut down in 2-4 years...no. It's just what I think the devs should do.

    Instead of thinking about what is best for yourself, think about what is best for the longevity of the game...that's what I am doing. You might not see that, because some of my ideas run counter to what is easiest for you, and other players that enjoy your playstyle...but sometimes easy is not what retains the interest of players.
     
  6. Guido_LS

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    Again, you forget who your allies are, and drop to that most common denominator descriptor you are so fond of... them... that's ok, though - I've come to not expect any better, and I'm not disappointed.

    Suffice it to say, Morgana, that your attacks on anyone and everything not pro-classic is getting beyond old. Those of us on the fringes that support your idea for a classic shard are really on the verge of walking away from it. The Classic shard blitz in just about every thread over the last 2-3 days has been annoying, to say the least. No, it's not that I don't think you, or anyone else, has the right to discuss it. It's just old. We already know that there isn't going to be a straight answer from Cal any time soon. You've even acknowledged that fact, more than once.

    I'm just going to stop here, and quit wasting my time with you. I've had to remind you more than once to reign in over in the first classic server thread. I'm not going to bother anymore. Eventually, Petra, Kelmo et al will get annoyed enough with deleting posts and locking threads that a final message will get through, and hopefully loudly and clearly.

    You've lost an ally tonight. One that openly, and vocally, supported you and your cause. Way to go.:thumbup1:
     
  7. maroite

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    ....
    The title of this thread should be as follows;

    "How to kill UO in one simple step!"

    You actually think taking away insurance in Fel will actually increase people playing there? That's laughable. Taking away insurance in Fel will probably only lead to less and less people bothering to go there.

    Adding "new loot" to Fel along with this situation is also stupid. Do you really think that will get the players who don't go to fel now to go to fel then? Seriously? If you think that, then I think you're clinically crazy. No offense intended.:lol:
     
  8. Arch Magus

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    dumbest idea ever... and I'm a 95% feluccan player myself..

    how exactly is this going to help UO again?rolleyes:
     
  9. Konge

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    I kinda agree with Guido and most point's he's making.

    I support the idea of a classic shard, though I think a lot of the pro-classic shard peeps have some...askew ideals and expectations of the shard and what will happen if it's put up.

    But this constant jiberjabber about it, certain posters finding ways to bring up the classic shard in every post. I know you guys think it's the hail marry of UO. But come on please... it's enough to put up with the sigs. Why don't you rent a bus or something?
     
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    People already have insurance in fel, and do not go there. What makes you think that they will go there if there is no insurance in trammel? Fear?

    Most likely outcome? People will leave UO. They still won't go to fel because the do not like PvP.

    As far as challenge in trammel. If people want the challenge of no insurance in trammel, they have that option already. he game forcing that on them now? Not likely to make people want to stick around. Some will. Some will stick for a bit and leave. SOme will leave, and may come back. But the end result would be, I fear, fewer paid subscriptions, resulting in some possibly drastic decisions at EA/Mythic.

    By the way, Morgana. Do you run with insurance?
     
  11. Derium of ls

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    Why are people quick to say stupid things like that about Garriott when they have not a clue on what happened?
     
  12. Konge

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    Why are people quick to ride someones cajones?
     
  13. Derium of ls

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    you know, I'm not sure how to take that...
     
  14. Konge

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    I know you worship the ground he walks on. I think we all know. Can we just put down the responses to, "I think LB was a ahole."

    People have dissenting opinions. Some think he just abandoned it, others think he didn't.

    You don't have any facts as you're not apart of what went on.
     
  15. Derium of ls

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    why can other people state a 'fact' about him, but I have to show mine?
     
  16. Konge

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    Did I say anyone stated a fact? If I hadn't mentioned you don't have facts, you would state "Well, what happened was..." Like it was a fact.

    Guido's statement is an opinion, which I already implied. Now stop being defensive.
     
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    he makes an opinion, I make my own based on what he said. Then you rag on me for defending Garriott?

    "You don't have any facts as you're not apart of what went on. " I wasn't there, but I do talk to Garriott. Guess that's not good enough for you.

    "I know you worship the ground he walks on. I think we all know." last time I checked, using "I know..." is attempting to state a fact, so I guess it was you who did.


    I give my opinion on what someone says, so you take a stab at me, a few times. Then tell me to not be defensive?
     
  18. Babble

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    The moment UO introduced rare 'overpowered' items which can take hundreds of hours to obtain, some form of blessing/insurance is necessary. Removing that just makes no sense from a developing standpoint. No sane developer deletes hundreds to thousands of hours of gameplay and thrives. (SWG NGE showed that too as did UO AOS)

    Imbuing at some point might change it.

    To make Felucca thrive maybe make Felucca insurance/loot free or better enhance pvp so people want to participate. I still see no reason though why anyone would want to play factions in uo?
    What is the point of factions? Control of land ? Shiny items? Some senseless pvp for fun?
     
  19. five oclock

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    staying on topic..Ill bite..

    I say yeap lets get rid of Insurance in tram...All for it..BUT lets put power scrolls and Harries in Tram tho...How does that sound for a trade off?

    Fel can still have the PS and the insurance..Heck it can even have a better chance of a 120 dropping than in tram...But it will still be Fel..

    Whos would be for this???
     
  20. Derium of ls

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    Also, how you think it's an opinion that EA canceled all of Origin's new development projects, including Ultima Online 2, Privateer Online, and Harry Potter Online. Also forced Tram when Garriott didn't want it is beyond me. That's what happened, that's a fact...
     
  21. five oclock

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    but did Garriot sell the game before tram? why did he bail out? Sorry off topic and so forth:D
     
  22. Derium of ls

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    He sold Origin to EA before UO (1992), He felt forced out because EA changed the direction of Origin and the most of the people were upset about that. Also when they canceled his other games he got fed up, and founded a new company with some of the Origin people. He said that he never wanted to leave UO behind and still to this day wants to come back to some degree.
     
  23. The Doctor

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    What I never get about these kind of posts is why the change has to be forced.

    Anyone can run in any facet without insurance. This is the great strength of UO, that you can pretty much choose your playstyle and ruleset.

    If you want a game without AoS items, you can play it. Sure, you don't have much fun at the high-level new content, but then that wouldn't be in a "classic" shard either.

    If customers wanted to play in Felucca (or Trammel) without insurance, they'd all be doing it already, surely?
     
  24. Derium of ls

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    I feel one of the main issues is since we already have insurance, it's really really tough to get rid of it in part or all together. Once people get use to a perk, taking that away from them always causes negative emotions.
     
  25. Arch Magus

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    ever since Uo became an item-reliant game, it makes no sense to take out insurance.

    abslutely none.
     
  26. Arch Magus

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    insurance is not really a perk, as it is a necessity at this point.

    the characters are built around the items these days, and it does hurt when you lose important pieces that are hard to replace.. this isn't the old days.
     
  27. Derium of ls

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    understood, and I will not pretend claim you are wrong on that at all. What is also funny if you ponder it, insurance is actually punishment if you compare it to other games. When you die in other games death is still a lot less harsh than paying per item to insure, finding a healer, and also losing certain items that can not be insured. You might have a repair bill to pay in WoW, but if you run out of gold they still won't let your items drop to the ground like UO.

    Make no mistake, I'm against item insurance. But since it's here, it would be tough to take it way. Because as you said, it's pretty much needed for people to play how they want to. The amount of time it took you to replace your basic items preAoS is very very small, minus magic weapons. But those weapons were not needed. However, if you have to replace a full arti suit (that's pretty much needed now) everytime you died... that would be Hell.
     
  28. Current UO is full of people that get upset when they get treated as fish in a barrel. The latest "force Fel onto everyone" attempt by the Devs is being met with what should have been expected. Risk is one thing, but for the majority of UO players, going to an island with no way out is nothing short of suicide. I'm sorry, but most people don't like being the sacrificial lamb.

    It's too bad that your view of things is so one-sided because obviously you have no clue what it's like to play UO simply to relax, and can't comprehend anyone that doesn't play UO for an adrenaline rush. We might actually have a decent discussion if it wasn't.
     
  29. I've known a few women that have done this to thier spouse or significant other.


    When they're done they put them in their purses.... :stretcher:
     
  30. Konge

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    Couple things.

    Let's ignore the fact where I said they were BOTH opinions.

    I was just trying to stop this turning into "OMG I LOVE HIMZ."

    That derails the topic, move on and stop acting like I pissed in your cheerios and kicked your puppy.

    I don't give 2 flying ****s if you talk to him. That doesn't mean you have the facts. That just means you have on side of the story. People lie. Move on.

    Didn't say it was a fact, just saying, judging by every mention of him it's like "Oh my god, he made me a knight and wow..."

    I didn't take a stab at you, I was trying to prevent this thread from going into a Garriot war.

    The world doesn't revolve around you, just because I reply to you doesn't mean I'm trying to make you cry.

    My god man.
     
  31. Konge

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    I never stated my opinion on the matter, so don't try to goad me like I did.

    Also learn how to edit your freaking posts so you don't have to reply to the same person twice.
     
  32. Cloak&Dagger

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    You know I rarely agree with you about open issues such as this, and while I do not really agree with you fully I will say the Island was a pretty bad idea, I mean....Having it in fel, was not a bad idea (generally) but the inescapable island? Questionable.

    You know you keep trying to bring up that everyone's view point is one sided, but your own arguments and views are always one sided and hardly ever consider the views of another, also they do not "seem" to consider the outcome of the game as a whole. Not saying Morgana's does, even if she lays claim to it, simply saying you pointing out a flaw in another person which is present in yourself is Hypocritical.

    Also, pvp can be relaxing, does not always have to be an adrenaline rush.
     
  33. Cloak&Dagger

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    Lol, and you do the same thing in the post where you say not to? xD Also...you derailed the thread a lot >.>

    Should probably not post this as you will defend, as is your right. I only found it amusing is all.
     
  34. Derium of ls

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    I know you're not trying to make me cry. You're doing the only thing you know how to do, ***** and moan. That's all you EVER do on these forums. we get it, you don't like yourself so you must be better than everyone else blah blah blah. I'd point out everything you said in the above quotes, but i pray to God you're not as stupid as you're trying to sound. I will however say, so I mentioned in one thread (my own thread at that) that Garriott knighted me, and you still on a jealousy rampage over that? dude, it was like two months ago I mentioned it, sorry. I didn't know it would upset you that much.

    Bottom line, people are free to trash Garriott, and I am free to defend someone I've known in game and out for over ten years.

    Not claiming him and I are "omg best friends forever!!!!". But if I trashed someone you've known for over ten years, you saying you would not come to their defense? man, I'm glad you hate me, because you are one ****ty friend to have.
     
  35. No, I understand that...


    ...what I don't understand is that there are 4-1 facets in favor of Trammel. There are essentially limitless things to do in those facets. PvM, crafting, resouce gatheing, RPing, socializing, growing plants, and any combination of the above. Yet, when 1 tiny thing comes along that players have to step outside of their safe zone to participate in, people blow a freakin' gasket.

    Let's review for a second:

    - No one "forced" anyone to do anything. The devs put part of a quest in an area that is of higher challenge (if that equates to stress as you indicate above, then we will go with that).

    - The quest is not essential to play of the game, it will just lead to some item-based reward that people will consider to be "rare". If the intent is to make the reward "rare", what better way than to make it extremely hard to obtain?

    - There is nothing anywhere that says that anyone has to participate in these quests to get the rewards...you can simply buy them later.

    So what get's me on my soapbox about this subject, and what makes call players...like yourself...entitled, is that you feel that you should be able to ALWAYS get whatever rewards you want, and if the devs increase the challenge (or stress as you indicated) involved in obtaining it, you complain.

    Instead of complaining, just don't participate in that event, and just buy the reward if it is something you really want.

    However, that would prevent you from getting something that is going to "valuable" for free...and at little risk to yourself.

    That's the very definition of entitlement.
     
  36. LordDrago

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    How did this turn into the "My opinion on Richard Garriot" thread?
     
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    *sighs*

    Once again.

    Doing away with insurance, in PvM too but especially in PvP, would simply be a boon to the big PvP-oriented guilds who can pool resources and replace things easier. Also their superior numbers can make it nearly-impossible to loot them on the field under many conditions.

    Having superior numbers and better cheat programs already have enough advantages in this game.

    -Galen's player
     
  38. Tukaram

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    Yeah, what he said.
     
  39. Lore Master

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    Doing away with item insurance in Fel is a terrable idea it would make Fel more empty then it currently is. who in there right mind would go to Fel with a uber set of armor if there was no item insurance in Fel?
    • if God forbid this ever went into affect next thing you know you and a few others would most likely be asking to remove item insurance from the entire game for good a move that would kill UO I know I would quit for good and that is no bluff.
    I wish more players would complain about bugs, cheats, exploits scripts, dupes etc. instead of complaining about something great like item insurance in fel or anywhere else for that matter.
     
  40. Konge

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    pancakes and moaning? I don't see a *****, and I don't see a moan.

    You must be terrible at reading. Only pancakes and moaning I see is from you complaining about anything I say. Projecting much?

    LOL you think I'm jealous that you were knighted by someone? LMFAO

    Wow, really? The point I was trying to make, because apparently, you're the idiotic one, is that, no one gives a ****.

    But what you fail to understand is, OH MY GOD, read the title of the tread, is it "Richard Garriot ftw? No. I was trying to prevent an annoying off-topic discussion about people who either hate him, or want to get into his pants.

    Unfortunately, this topic did get out of hand, because you decided to ***** about everything I say, like I'm personally trying to attack you.

    I'm not.

    I don't hate you, you, for some reason, think I have some sort of personal vendetta against you. I don't, get over yourself, please.

    Now, if you want to continue this little "oh my god, you said something I don't agree with, you must hate me, I hate it when people hate me, stop whining!" PM me.

    In an attempt to get back on topic, I personally don't think removing Insurance in Tram solves anything. You already have insurance in Fel, not having it in tram doesn't do anything and instead causes more people to quit.
     
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    It is hilarious seeing hypocrites go on about risk and how the risk makes the game more challenging and exciting, and yet... they dont play Seige.
     
  42. Konge

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    They're just going to say it's because there's only one char slot...
     
  43. - 1 character slot
    - broken economy, not as bad as the other shards, but broken
    - stupid skill gain system
    - still has AoS
    - still has Neon weapons
    - still has ridable dogs

    I think somewhere in the entire debate, a few of you guys missed the point.

    For the record, why would I want to play Siege? I don't even play the shards I have completed characters on anymore.
     
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    or there is no stat loss on res for reds
     
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    ^^ Yeah. No stat loss on res or greater penalties for reds. LMAO.
     
  46. Arch Magus

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    Siege is beyond terrible and broken with the aos system.
    Insurance has to stay on production shards.
    Richard Garriott created a great game.

    can we close this b**** and moan fest thread now?
    it's getting ridiculous.
     
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    It is ridiculous because you have some people pratting on about risk and they dont even play Seige.

    Then in other threads they prat on about stat loss on res or even greater penalties for reds on a PvP shard.

    If that isnt lame then I dont what is?
     
  48. Arch Magus

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    Siege sucks... I've tried it and it's no fun. has nothing to do with the 'risk' involved.

    we want a real classic shard, not AOS crap.

    what's lame is YOU arguing against a shard that some people would like to see happen. why would you argue against that?
     
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    :eek: No..! IT CANNOT BE! I thought we were OVER the whole "Insurance Vs No Insurance" thing..!!

    :twak: ...Not again..!! And towards the end it seems to be turning to YET another "Classic Shard" debate to top it off!! Whoooot!