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Interested in checking out Siege?

Discussion in 'UHall' started by Bruin, Dec 3, 2009.

  1. Bruin

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    If you have ever been intrigued by the veteran shard Siege, this Saturday from 8pm EST to 1am EST, the Siege EM will be holding a "Come Visit Siege Perilous" event. Visitors are asked to meet at the West Britain Counselor’s Guild Hall, aka . The EM Office, Siege Perilous shard, Felucca (there is no Trammel here).

    Here you will be able to learn a little more about Siege directly from its players, myself included, and hopefully the EM will have some interesting events planned. If you will be unable to make it but still have questions about Siege, feel free to ask them here, in the Siege forum, or PM me!

    Also please remember that all lands of Siege follow the felucca ruleset, meaning you may be stolen from or murdered at any time. The guards are also turned off in Britain so remain guarded and never travel with more than you can afford to lose. However, the West Britain Counselor's Hall has some form of protection around it preventing some hostile acts from occurring.

    More details in Siege forums thread here.
     
  2. Freelsy

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    If you are interested and want more information, but wont be able to make the event. Your best bet is to post in the Siege forum here on stratics...by far the most active shard forum with updates from veteran siege members daily!
     
  3. the 4th man

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    Seriously, why would I give up years and years of earned skills, items, homes, characters, and whatnot to come and play on a shard that children are allowed on?

    No, I'll pass. I'm sure you like it, but alot of us are comfy right where were at.
    Call us carebears, say what you want, that's a kids attitude and what alot of us want to avoid.

    Merry Christmas
     
  4. Podolak

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    All shards have immature players and all shards have players with redeeming qualities. I have met wonderful friends both on Siege and on Production. It is just a different gaming experience, some things are familiar and some things are new. "Harder" isn't necessarily bad. It can be rewarding to experience things differently.

    Note: I do not play Siege at the present time. I played before my "UO" break but upon returning my friends were on a Production shard so that is where I went.
     
  5. sayler04

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    This is a cool idea. I've been looking for a reason to check out seige. I'll be there.
     
  6. Risso

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    You know its possible to play more than one shard right...? :eyes:
     
  7. onthefifty

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    ill never understand this type of post. bruin's not calling anyone names or being negative, so why is YOUR tone so... childish.

    noone is saying to give up all your shinies. you can get a serviceable character up and running in a few weeks time. you start out in the new guild and most will leave you alone while running that tag. you would come to find that shalimar who runs new is one of the best people you will ever come across in this game. there is good and bad on any shard and you would probably be surprised to find out that there are many here who donot pvp all the time.

    you put some stealth/hide on your temp to get around un noticed and you'd be suprised what you would accomplish.

    last time i checked the billing cycle there was no box to check if you dont want to play seige your payment is discounted. so your paying for it, no harm in checking it out.

    if you don't want to play dont play that's your call, but lay off with the troll post blasting a specific playstyle of which you have no clue about...
     
  8. I like Siege I just wish it didn't have restrictions on skill gain. I don't mean ROT I mean the other end, you can't buy skills to get started and in some skills, like Bushido, the minimum skill isn't 0 so you have to use jewelry right from the off. On a shard where I have nothing I'm more than happy to run around playing a noob but I like to at least be able to get going (by myself) without needing 13+ skill jewelry.

    *If theres another way around that Siegers, without taking hand outs, I'd like to know it please?*
     

  9. Pssttt....."tone" is simply your perception of what posters meaning is to you!:twak:
    On the flip side, the "tone" of the op, in reference to the "veteran" shard could be construed as the same, IMO.
    Siege is no more of a veteran shard than I am originally from mars.
    Was posters comments necessary or needed?
    Perhaps not, yet neither were yours nor mine as well, yet, it is a freedom stratics allows us to a certain degree, so might as well suck it up and double check your "feelings" towards the freedom to post your opinions, as did the op, as did the poster you are chastising, as well as you and I were part of.

    Towards the topic of the post, however, its a grand offer to open up possibilities to a shard of differing rules, yet, IMHO it is not a veteran shard, so its advertising of such might backfire when said childish behavior, that is seen on all shards, rears its ugly head on the "veteran" shard, as was seen personally and first hand.(still got my toon there tho)

    Best of luck populating that shard tho, it could use a lot more players who are hip to that style!!:thumbup:
     
  10. Bruin

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    Why do people quit UO and go play WoW, or vice-versa? Because it offers something new, different, and rewarding.

    If you are happy where you are, congratulations and enjoy your UO experience.
     
  11. Bruin

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    To answer your question, I'm first going to quote the Siege Perilous information on the UO Herald:
    On a normal (prodo) shard, you can do it all yourself. With 7 character slots, if you need a tamer, make a tamer. If you need armour, make a crafter. Siege was designed to force people to rely on each other. You need not rely on 'handouts' to make it on siege. But you do need to rely on others to acquire the things you need to succeed. Just as when you start a new character, you will need to go out hunting, acquire some gold, and buy armour. You will need to acquire some gold to purchase your +20 bushido jewelry. Or befriend others that will assist you. Again, you don't need handouts. But you do need to work for it.
     
  12. Bruin

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    AFAIK, when Siege was created, it was intended as the veteran shard, which is why I put that in the original post. It was in no way intended to imply a negative tone towards other shards or anything of the sort. So yes, I would argue that Siege is the veteran shard, or was intended to be so. You sure your not from mars? =)

    Here is the original HoC chat when Siege was created entitled "Siege Perilous - The Veteran Shard"
     
  13. Working for it isn't the problem. Needing high skill jewelry to even start is.

    The community line really doesn't help, as a new player you have nothing of value to anyone who already plays there, TOO trade.

    If players can't even get that first 0.1 then they're going to be even less enthusiastic about working the skill up at all especially when they've got ROT to come. The shard in and of itself deters people from playing it with frankly needless rules. I can see the purpose of ROT but I can't see the purpose of not being able to gain from 0 skill without the use of items that you can't obtain BECAUSE you're skill is too low to kill anything that would have them and you have nothing of value to give to anyone that can obtain them.

    If it didn't have this restriction - and it needn't be allowing you to buy skills, it could equally be that the lowest spell/skill check is at 0 so you can at least gain from it JUST on Siege - then I would love to play there.
     
  14. onthefifty

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    well if you dont want to rely on others assistence you could work up your other skills and be proficient enough to obtain coin to buy the jewels you need at a later date.

    if there's a will there's always a way.
     
  15. I agree with you about Bushido and Ninjitsu and having to use jewels amounting to 25 or 21 to get started from 0. I've always looked on this as an oversight by the powers that be, but we get around it.

    At NEW we keep a couple of sets of Bushi/Ninja jewels for anyone who wants to train either skill and hasn't started their char with the amount of points they need for training. They're not handouts though, players borrow them and give them back for the next person that may need them, it's about helping out because it's what we do, not charity, hundreds of new players have used those jewels, it's really not a big deal. You can get around that too if you wanted, just by starting with enough bushi or ninja when you make your character.
     
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    This is not a flaw of Siege, but rather a flaw in the skill itself, albeit one that can be worked around (buy the skill on normal ruleset shards and get the jewels on Siege).

    To the OP of the Bushido question, if you go to Siege expecting or wanting to do EVERYTHING for yourself, then you are missing out on a big part of what Siege is about. I started there about a year ago after playing other shards for 8 years and it was a revelation. It isnt the PK hell I was half expecting, in fact the exact opposite. Ive met some of the most generous and kind people on Siege.

    As a crafter with no fighting skills, Ive been Pk'd once in a year, and that was on my second day when someone 1 hit killed me in Luna as they ran past. God knows why. Other than that everyone else has been kind and above all courteous. Ive been at the mercy of total strangers numerous times and rather then kill and loot theyve talked and helped.

    Siege isnt all you fear it will be.
     
  17. onthefifty

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    i would advise not banking in luna.

    cove is a nice place this time of year....:thumbup:
     
  18. Bruin

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    As others have stated, I believe it was an oversight by the devs. The only two skills that you can not use or gain from at 0 are Ninja and Bushido. All others skills you can train from 0 on siege, and in fact the first 0-25 training of a skill is very quick because you gain from failures, and can gain up to 0.5 per attempt.

    I believe the devs did not think Ninja and Bushido were an issue when the skills were first created because on most shards you can simply buy the skill, you can not do that on Siege.

    There are two very easy workarounds for ninja or bushido -
    1. Start a character with a minimum 20 ninja or 25 bushido.
    2. Buy or acquire a set of jewelry.

    If acquiring a set of jewelry to train Ninja or Bushido is the only thing stoping you from playing Siege, I will glady loan you a set or if you don't want handouts, trade you 250 pieces of plain leather for them.
     
  19. I feel like I'm not being clear, I'm not expecting to do EVERYTHING myself, but I would like to at least decide on my template and be able to gain it. I really don't see any justification for a roadblock at that (0) skill level.

    When SE came out did no one play Bushido until they found sufficient jewelry? I mean if those are the options fair enough but it seems unnecessarily restrictive to me.

    It being Fel on all facets is the reason I want to play there.

    Edit:
    Its just Bushido & Ninjitsu, ok, I was wondering. Don't get me wrong, I mean its not a huge deal, thats just a problem I ran in to last time. Should I start again there I will plan it better.
     
  20. Bruin

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    You can if you just start a template with 25 bushido or 20 Ninja whichever the case may be.

    Pretty much, or they started a new character with Bushido.

    Agreed, but that's an issue the devs need to fix, not much we can do about it. Since we've found a reasonable work around, we didn't think it was worth pursuing with the devs.
     
  21. Thanks then, you've answered my question, and I'll know for next time!
     
  22. Bruin

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    No problem! Good luck on Siege or otherwise.
     
  23. Jaimes

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    Though it is true that new players do not have much of value to offer established SP players, there are several avenues that can provide significant income on a day-old character.

    -Gaman Horns (some players will pay well for this, the repeatable strongbox quest provides great expendable loot for SP)
    -Cloth Bolts
    -Leather

    I made my first million (to buy Swords of Prosperity) using EVs to kill Lizardmen in Despise and then selling their spined leather.

    You can also collect BODs with .1 tailoring and blacksmithy for turn-in, some people like to buy those and you can make quite a bit of money there.
     
  24. QueenZen

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    Well when SE came out, I did not really know about rings and so forth.

    I did notice the dev. team somehow forgot Siege in that ya can NOT buy skills from npcs like elsewhere, and I wanted to have some ninj. on one of my chrs. Being new, broke and so forth, I checked out the npcs in downtown Zento being that is SE lands and city. The npcs were selling junky weps and blow darts. I bought me a *blowgun* and some darts and began offing the lil town rats in Zento. My skill went from 0.0 to 25.0 rapidly just smackin the lil town rats with blowdarts.

    Little did I know about rings and bracelets but I too found my workaround to get Ninjitsu from nothing to something when we could not BUY learning a skill off the npcs on Siege with the SE expansion ! This was before I even found out about NEW guild whom had rings etc. members could borrow to use. SE came I took that one chr. straight away to Zento, and began killing town rats when I seen the dev. team *forgot* players have no npcs to buy newbie skills from with their then new expansion pack of SE.
     
  25. Salya Sin

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    OH!!! I so want to go... BUT we have an event in Napa on this day as well... If I am not there at start-up... will everyone still be in that general area.. say around 9 or 10pm est? I am pretty sure I can make it by that time...
     
  26. Freelsy

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    If your there around 11pm or closer to 12pm EST, I'll be there for sure to help those out (I live in Alaska...four hour time difference.) Look for me..names Astynax
     
  27. FrejaSP

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    I'm not sure, what you do mean with "a shard that children are allowed on"
    There is no diff in what age of players allowed on Siege vs normal shards.

    If you with children mean our reds and thieves, then we only have a few children between them and I'm sure you will find a higher % of children on normal shards.

    Siege players may have a different playstyle and attitude but it's sure not a kids attitude.

    This was just an invitation, you are free to say no thanks.
    You want to avoid a shard like Siege, that's fine, we are some who want to avoid normal UO shards.

    Merry Christmas to you too :)
     
  28. FrejaSP

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    I think it was EA, who called it a Veteran Shard, just take a look of our old Intro to the shard.

    [​IMG]
     
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  30. Salya Sin

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    Thanks! I'll look for you!
     
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  32. Bruin

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    Yes, the event is supposed to last until 1am EST, not sure if it will go THAT long but I'm sure people will be around till at least 10pm EST.
     
  33. Tina Small

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    Don't forget that your character starts with 120 skill points if you make the character using the Enhanced client. If you aren't used to using that client, just be sure to double check your character's appearance after you fiddle with skill settings and before you go ahead with finishing the character set up. For some reason, the selections you make on the appearance tab (e.g., hair style) seem to get wiped out and you may be disappointed with your character's looks if you don't take the time to double check the appearance tab.

    I'm not sure where you start on Siege if you use the enhanced client. However, I assume you still automatically start in the tutorial with Gwenno. If so and you and want to get out of it without finishing it, just click the X in the upper right corner and you'll get the option to cancel out of the tutorial. I assume you then start out at the inn in Britain (although I think paladins made with the pre-made template start out on Occlo with no way off the island??).

    Since you only get to have one character per account on Siege and you can't immediately delete a character that you botched in the creation process, maybe some people who play on Siege could post some suggestions on useful starting skills/stats for newbie characters? That way someone who attends Saturday's event and wants to get started immediately playing on Siege won't be stuck trying to salvage a screwed-up character or waiting a week or two to delete it.

    Also, what's the latest news from the devs regarding whether or not RoT is going to be eliminated or changed? It's the main reason I have no interest in playing on Siege. Maybe I'm just confused on this, but my understanding is that when you get your character to a certain total of skill points, you are limited in the amount of gains you can get each day, no matter what you are doing or how much you play. So people basically only play a few minutes per day for a number of months, carefully planning out exactly what they'll do in those few minutes to maximize their gains in specific skills. It sounds truly horrible and tedious and an almost foolproof way to separate the dedicated/determined souls from the rest of the bunch and keep the rest of us from giving it a serious try.
     
  34. Bruin

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    Correct, if you make a character on Siege, you can not delete that character for 1 weeks time.

    Regarding which skills to pick first: The general advice is to pick those skills that are hardest at training, and avoid the easy skills. Those that are harder to train as a newbie (off the top of my head):
    Ninja between 0-20 (or you need ninja jewelry)
    Bushido between 0-25 (or you need bushido jewelry)
    Poison
    Detect hidden
    remove trap
    Most crafting skills (for the sole purpose of saving you resources).
    Healing
    Archery (due to arrow usage)
    Animal Taming
    Provocation
    Fishing
    Lockpicking
    Mysticism (Reg usage)

    The easiest skills to train -
    Weapon skills and related (except archery above).
    Magery skills and related
    music & peace
    med & focus

    The rest I'd put somewhere in-between.

    Regarding RoT: They have adjusted it to make it shorter within the last year or so. Also a few misconceptions about it. RoT training is significantly easier than normal training, however it (in most cases) is longer. You know how there's the GGS system on normal shards where you are guaranteed a gain in Animal taming every 120 hours or so? Well on Siege between 70-120 you are guaranteed a gain in Animal Taming between every 5 and 15 minutes. On the flip side, you are prevented from getting a gain between every 5 and 15 minutes, and you are limited in the amount you can gain per day. But the end result is, if you play for about 1 hour a day, in about 3 months you are guaranteed to have a 6x120 character no matter what skills you pick.
     
  35. shanshu

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  36. bumblefutz

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    This just in: Lots of people find Sieger's constant attempts to evangelize their mostly-empty shard sorta irritating.
     
  37. Petra Fyde

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    It should also be noted that you are at liberty to ignore any thread with 'Siege' in the title and neither read it nor post it.
     
  38. Tjalle

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    Only a couple of hours left...
     
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    High skill jewelry? whats that?

    All new players on Siege have value. We are very community based. PKs need crafters cause they can't buy stuff in town. PvP guilds need numbers and will help you train. Crafting and RP guilds...well the same. I am in a guild of two and belong to a ragtag alliance called misfits. I am not a PvPer nor can I win a fight with a PK. Best I can do is get away. Hell right now I am running around on a mismatched number of skills I am in the process of training with a target on my back. I have survived here for three years, so anyone can. Trust me.

    Also I can name a half dozen regular players right now that would eagerly buy bolts of cloth and leather rather than go farming for it...cause some of us have lives and would rather do quests and spawns during our play time. I'd even give ya a vendor spot at my place in Iantown if ya wanted to do this.

    Ask anyone...I am not a PK wanting to up my murder count. LOL
     
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    i took a visit to siege last night and i have a couple questions.

    1: how come ethereal mounts are blessed?
    2: how come pets can bond? seems like a hugely unfair advantage for tamers.
    3: how come the luna vendors are pretty much dead, even the house closest to the stables has nothing on its vendors?
    4: is there a list of all the items that -are- blessed on siege so i know which i should try to buy?
     
  41. Gwendar-SP

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    Note that Brit is NOT a guard zone. One of half our towns that EA has decided to turn into Buch Den.
     
  42. Sweeney

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    1. Most vet rewards are blessed, as are boats.
    2. We ask this as well.
    3. Luna is not the massive marketplace that it is on other shards, it's mainly filled with guild houses and as you noticed, empty shops. Our marketplaces are in Umbra and Yew. It's worth mentioning that Luna is the pvp hot spot, whereas Yew gate is not.
    4. Boats, most vet rewards, some old invasion spellbooks, spellbooks without modifiers, checks. I'm sure there's a few more.
     
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    do you sometimes think it's counter to the nature of siege to have items like spellbooks and even bank checks blessed? and i guess i still can't get over pets bonding. seems like a scenario in my head...

    you go pvp and a tamer with a greater dragon kills people and loots their corpses, and if his dragon dies he just rez's it and loses nothing. is this a common occurrence?
     
  44. Tjalle

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    Unlike production shards, Luna is not the most ideal place for vendors. A lot of PVP happens in and around Luna.

    That house you mentioned may have empty vendors but you gotta lova his house sign, right? ;)
     
  45. Bruin

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    Completely agreed. It happens, unfortunately it's an issue we've mentioned to the devs before but nothing has happened.
     
  46. Bruin

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    Event is now underway if anyone would like to join in.
     
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    ah, i was a bit disappointed with the event. i felt like it was advertised as a newbie event but when i got there the EM only wanted to have duels. i guess that's alright, just not why i came.

    i waited 45minutes but all that happened was that the meeting place kept moving from one place to the next (for a total of.. three? times), and each time whatever event was suppose to occur kept being interrupted by pvpers.

    to siege perilious's credit, i not once was attacked, so that was a pleasant surprise. however, i'll probably be weary of returning unless you have an 'actual' new player event.
     
  48. Tina Small

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    Although I was PKd a handful of times, I enjoyed the dungeon run event and was glad I stuck around. Thanks to everyone who took the time to answer my questions and for the rezzes!
     
  49. Freelsy

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    This just in: Sieger's find your "my shard is currently not online" or "another dupe has been discovered" threads exceedingly annoying!!

    Troll somewhere else Bumblenutz
     
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    Siege was a great shard, I played from launch to shortly after AOS. Then Siege was a thriving shard 100's - 1000's of players. The launch of AOS made UO more item dependent then ever before. Thus literally killing the Shard I once loved. With the Item Dependent UO Siege quickly became the shard of the Haves and Havenots more so than the production shards. The ROT skill gain Cap per day is a joke, One character per account is Stupid when coupled with one house per account. No blessitems, Insurance for an Item based based game that was designed around the concept. Not being able to sell to, or buy skill from NPC's, the Amount of gold you are charged from npc's or running a vendor. No recall, SJ but mages can gate idea is stupid. The only thing siege has going for it is its community and the fact there is no trammel. other than that My characters remain frozen in time.

    Those reasons prompted me to start a thread about EA bringing up a shard that is just like the rules we have on normal production shards but one ruleset like Siege. Have a couple with Felucca rules. No x-fer Unless its between same type of shards, the removal of champs from legacy dungeons but leaving the harrower spawning in his normal locations. And like WoW we would have playstyle options, The remaining shards can be divided between normal/RP, While Felucca and siege become PvP.

    Bringing up a couple Felucca only production shards is not an idea that can be taken to lightly as there are Millions of people around the world who play games for the PvP concept, and UO having the Best most flexible PvP system out of every MMO in the market its stupid to not want to market to them also.