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Discussion in 'UO Siege Perilous' started by Bundabar, Jan 31, 2013.

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Should siege allow 2 chars per account?

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  2. No

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  1. Bundabar

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    I would like everyones opinion Should siege allow 1 more char per account bringing the total to 2 chars per account. Keep in mind there is a possible influx of players with allowing a house on siege and prodo per account. 2 chars would allow a player to have a change of pace without going to prodo as not everyone has vet accounts so no access to soulstones. This could hold much more interest in the shard and thus more activity by being able to play and work more than one char. Thoughts?
     
  2. Rumpy

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    Never.
    Worst idea ever.
     
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    Soulstones are $9.99 at the UO Store or 5 Mil Siege gold.

    Everyone has access to Soulstones.
     
  4. TheDrAJ

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    If that were the case i could cut my accounts in half, Seems like a poor business model for EA.
     
  5. Hattori Hanzo

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    This is an old topic. I am not sure, but I may have even written something supporting it a few years ago. All in all, I think I oppose such a thing primarily because the intent of Siege is to be known as your character, like you are no where else. I know we just pay for additional accounts. However, the present format makes us unique none-the-less.
     
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    Rumpy how many skills are in uo. To effectivly be able to play 3 different template (ie spellcaster, warrior, thief the basic ones) you would need atleast 21 soulstones Idk about everyone else but i dont have $210 laying around to blow on a game. Im a adult and have responsibilities the next option is to have multiple account. Great a even bigger sink hole. Again min of 3 equals 15x3 so $45 a month times 12. So $540 a year. Again im a adult. Responsibilities. How is it that the most loyal and vetted players are siting by and allowing themselves to be exploited as such
     
  7. Rumpy

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    Hi Bundabar -

    I don't understand why you keep referring to yourself as an adult, as I am pretty sure everyone who currently plays Siege is at least 21+. I am also an adult with responsibilities and who does not wish to use his hard earned money on a dying video game. I know some people sink money into UO as they consider it their main hobby and like most hobbies, they cost money. My main hobby would be my car, and those modifications aren't cheap!

    That being said, to answer your first question, there are lots of skills.

    I currently have 22 Soulstones on my account and have purchased another 8 on my partners account. That's a total of 30 Soulstones. I have not paid a single dime of RL cash for these soulstones and I have not used a single veteran reward choice for one of them. There are other alternatives then to use RL cash for them. I have paid for both of our accounts since October using gold and have also upgraded both accounts to all of the latest goodies using gold only. I would estimate the amount of money put into both accounts is over $400 in upgrades, soulstones, and theme packs; all paid with gold. Not to mention the money for the game time codes. Now it is not possible for all people to turn out gold like this and I understand that. Many people are capable of doing this and have been. Alot of people also buy items from origin store and sell them for gold, people do this on Siege and production shards as well to make gold. If your coming from a production shard, try transferring some gold over and seeing if you can buy soulstones. Even if they allowed a second character, according to the above, you would still need a second account since you seem to want 3 characters :)
     
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  8. Bundabar

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    No not 3. I said a second character. This would allow a char based on a casters int and one on str/dex Im not saying eliminate soulstones And this wouldnt be a dieing game if they give us better value for our money. As far as im concerned this is still the best game out there and ive tried them all. They are still putting out patches and expansion so its evident that there are no plans on let this game die anytime soon. Yet there are people walking away everyday. To play cheaper games The thoughts that this game is dieing or that the devs dont care is invalid Changes like this can bring back some value to you buck and and stem the flow of loss
     
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    I understand you said a second character, however I am referring to where you said you would need at least 3 accounts to play all of the templates you want as an alternative to Soulstones.
     
  10. Hattori Hanzo

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    This is the best part of the argument and was what I referred to years ago when I was for two chars on SP.
     
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    I agree, swapping skills that use the same stats is fine, but you can't effectively be a mage one day and a warrior the next even with soul stones.

    House holding aside, I'd be curious as to how many people really only play Siege with one account .. or more specific one character.
     
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    I only technically only have 1 account, but we have imbuing on my partners so I use that one as well.
     
  13. Bundabar

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    Yes rumpy i listed 3 basic chars. 2 of which share similar stats but very different skills. Prodo shards have no probly with this. But when you hae a capped stat gain each day Now if they give us the ability to change our stats within a resonable timeframe i will withdraw all want and desire for 2 sp chars But which do you think we would have a chance to make happen. Them adding another char slot. Or writing entire codes to let us be able to gain stats like they do on prodo shards? Your worst idea ever has been something sp players have asked for for years now and the devs have either ignore, been to lazy, or had it slip through the cracks. I say we play the nat and annoy them until the are willing to work something out with us
     
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    Hold on a minute.

    SP players have not asked for this for years, some people have brought up the idea, but its always shot down by majority.. How long have you been on SP? I see your in NEW2, so I am not assuming long. Its hard for you to say something like that when you haven't been around much. Im not knocking you for being new, but don't spout what may not be true.

    I know Freja likes to think she has the same ideas of the majority of the shard, but when she petitions on U-Hall, Siege players also turn her down as this is not what everyone wants.

    The only thing people AGREE on is the need for a 2nd house.

    As it stands..

    3 Votes Yes
    11 Votes No

    You also can't take into account the people who don't use Stratics.
     
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    I originally started playing 1 year before trammel came out and then sold my 10 account when i left for the military. Ive attepmted a comeback 4 times since i got out and each time had to leave dur to various reasons ie wife kid school work i have accumulated a grand total of 14 years I still have fond dreams of crack ancient liches skulls open with a silver power hatchet on my lumby tin man warrior until i get bored enough to go mess with the player orc clans even after trammel came on the field. So please keep on trying to judge based on a guild membership
     
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    Not to mention youre taking a thread that was set up as a pole and discusion as me trying to emforce my will or that i somehow know what everyone want. The last word of my orginal post was Thoughts? And then a debate ensued untill you decided to try a person attack based off of no evidence and absolutly no knowledge of me in anyway
     
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    I'm not saying new to UO. I'm saying new to Siege.
     
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    The only reason I say that is when you said the following - "Your worst idea ever has been something sp players have asked for for years now"

    All I am simply stating was this is not something SP players have asked for years. I don't know where you got that info.

    I am adding to the discussion and adding in my thoughts of why they should not have a 2nd character. If its not broke, don't fix it.
     
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    I think they should allow unlimited stat gains, but make it a 15 minute interval in-between. Just like max skill RoT.
     
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    I happened to have a discussion in gen chat today where quite a few people were interested in having a second char because of the stat problem. Which is the very reason i created this poll. And again if the stat sytem was altered to atleast meet us halfway then i would retract my opinion of a second char. And again im looking at it from the devs point a view where it would be easier to alter the char limit as opposed to writing whole new code to implement your stat rot idea which isnt a bad idea and everyone could be happy with
     
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    All they would have to do is simply remove the cap on stat gain limit a day. Doesn't seem like much code writing to me. The timer is already in play. I saw the entire convo in general chat, I also saw the names that were speaking and not many of them are Siege Vets..
     
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    My thoughts on the matter:

    I am still fairly new to UO and Siege (only started playing less than a year ago). And one of the things that I enjoy about Siege, compared to prodo shards, is the fact that it is significantly more challenging (at least in certain aspects). I personally have no problem with only having one character allowed on Siege, and feel that it contributes to the challenge.

    With only one character, you kinda have to adhere a little more strictly to certain templates. Its not like prodo where you can have 7 fully built characters all ready to go at will. This is what contributes to the difficulty (which, in my opinion, is one of the points of Siege). I understand that not everyone wants to play the same template all of the time (I myself have a handful of soulstones), but that is what soulstones are for. You dont have to be a vet to use them, and while they do cost $9.99 from the EA store, there are other methods to get them (I havent payed a single cent for any my soulstones). The only thing that makes changing templates not quite as feasible is the daily stat gain cap. I think it would be much more fair to make stat gains based on a RoT system like regular skills.

    So my opinion: dont allow second characters. It would cut down on a lot more of the 'challenge' of Siege
     
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    I think it was mentioned before, but they should just make stat stones, similar to the soulstones.
     
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    That'd be a nifty idea for sure.
     
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    I really doubt it would matter. The whole one character thing was all about a) (and I think this is the most important reason) requiring that people depend on each other and b) that you can't hide you deeds behind different characters. But since everyone on the shard has soul stones, and most have many, point a is moot, and since since basically forever it's been a siege standard to have at least one other account point b is moot.

    It would lead to peeps shutting down those alt accounts though, so I highly doubt it would ever happen.
     
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    Probably not. People own multiple accounts on all shards.
     
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    i think siege is perfect with the single character idea. If you want to be a sneaky sleeze bag then you should have to pay for a second account to do so. Also with the single character it makes the different professions reliant on each other to survive which in a sense is part of the siege life style. the community thrives off each other for survival.....and it should stay this way.
     
  28. tangar

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    Its great feature that you allowed only one character at server. All people know each other. If you are bad PK - all know that you are bad. No alts. No hypocrisy.

    No reason to cancel such good feature.
     
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    You mean besides people geting more than 1 account righht tang?
     
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    I would rather go for the removal of soulstones than the additional character slot. We need more "forced" interaction, not less.
     
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    Low your new signatur :)
    I believe it is to late to remove soulstones now, only way would be to add more char slots and let the players safe their most important skills on a new char.
    I don't believe 2-3 char slot would be bad as it is very few players who only have one Siege char, it would only hurt EA as some accounts would be closed.
     
  32. tangar

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    If you are ready to pay for one more account - you can do it. But not much people have several accounts. Its more easier (and cheaper) to buy soulstones if you wanna "all skills". Soulstone cost 10$. If you paying for an account you could have 7 skills at it. Seven soulstones = 70$ or 6 months of subscription if you have second account. So if you gonna play more then 6 months - soulstones is cheaper. Thats why not mych people have several accounts ----> people at Siege actually have reputation.

    We have bad guys and good guys. Not many alts. And it is fun - its is difference between happy-pinky-panty servers :mylittlepony: and Siege :pirate:. We are cool, they are not :shots:
     
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    Yeah but it's not viewed as such a necessity on other shards. I would wager people have multiple accounts for housing more than for characters on regular shards as well.
     
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    We may have less alts than shards with 7 characters per account, but we still have a lot.

    And honestly, I think its pretty well know what alts people play so I don't really think there is much hiding behind characters. Generally if people want to rob or steal that's what they do, and they are happy and proud to do it and have no reason to hide. I really doubt there would be a noticeable difference with an extra slot.

    Its fine as is as well.
     
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    I never said there was logic behind multiple account ownership. All of us are just speaking anecdotally anyway. What we know for certain is that for any number of reasons people feel compelled to have numerous accounts, no matter which shard they play.
     
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    You are so wrong, most Siege players do have more than one account, more than half of the NEW2 players I join do join with 2 chars. I had been here sinse the born of Siege and very few do only have one account.
     
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    Asking for two characters upon this shard usually means a lack of soulstones.
    It is easier to add soulstones to this shard than adding extra account characters.

    I voted : NO

    *stares*
    Yahaxithonix
     
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    Really? Oh, nice to know, thank you.

    But its only other cause do not add another character slot.. But now it for developers - a lot of players would cancel their alt's accounts = no profit for EA.

    Anyway results of poll is quite clear about this idea.
     
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    True, but I think there are logical conclusions to draw off of anecdotal evidence.
     
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    To me its a question of: Is this still valuable. What made it valuable in the first place and do those considerations still apply? What would be the advantage of doing it the other way, what would one lose.
     
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    By easier you mean because the devs would not support the addition of another char?
     
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    one char is what makes siege the way it is. 2 houses will be great. i just worry about people placing and not actually playn siege. we will see how it goes. things always work out in the end!
     
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    I am more worried about the additional house than I would be about an additional character.
     
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    I like Holdens idea....stat stones!
     
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    Having 1 char per account is one thing that is attractive to me about Siege. Not everyone has a slave mule to rely on,so tradesmen are actually valued and can make a decent living just selling their wares. If 1 extra slot existed on Siege you`d see a ton of self serving mules and not much helpin or selling to others.

    Soul stones are cheap enough and you can still have your mule skills if your so inclined.
     
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    Sure why not. Let people have more than 1 character. Soulstones, but more importantly, the ability to buy soulstones with real cash, have totally undermined the 1 character dynamic. Worse... soulstones have reinforced, to the detriment of the shard economy, the poisonous dynamic of cash for gold. Cash for gold is far more destructive to the game environment than adding a second (or third or fourth) character.

    It is disappointing and discouraging to see how commonplace it has become and how widely accepted it is now.
     
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    Yet there is still a great economy on SP. Not one thats over inflated like prodo shards.

    Not to mention the fact that without SS`s it would otherwise be impossible to raise SP`s population these days. I know I would not play Siege if SS`s were not able to be purchased in or out of game. The days of me paying for several accounts are long gone. I like playing a tradesman,I like playing a mage,but I can`t play both. Plus the money EA makes from selling things like Soul Stones helps keep the lights on a little longer in UO,for that you and anyone else should be thankful there are people out there supporting this game in that way.

    *edit*

    Oh and a big HELL YA on the stat stone idea. That has come up before and is LONG over due.
     
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    I played Siege from 2003 - 2010 and can say that this topic has been brought up MANY times. Each time the majority of people (when I played) supported having two characters. Seems the demographics have changed slightly... but doesn't negate the fact that Ultima Online has changed since Siege Perilous was introduced. There needs to be more than 1 character per account. There is to much content in the game to limit players to just 1 character. I had 5 accounts when I was playing...

    Astynax - Red PvP Warrior (12 soulstones)
    Tek - Blue PvP Mage/Necro/SW (5 soulstones)
    Sionbreia - Tamer/T-hunter/Mage (5 soulstones)
    Nerve Damage - Blue Warrior/Sampire/Archer/Fisher (10 soulstones)
    Siege Pride - Crafter/Gatherer (4 soulstones)

    Point is, I wasted a stupid amount of money playing this game... lol. There are a lot of reasons to up the amount of characters per account.