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Is a NEW hunting with a rune beetle and nightmare still NEW?

Discussion in 'UO Siege Perilous' started by Chad Sexington, Feb 4, 2009.

  1. Chad Sexington

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    Is a NEW hunting with a rune beetle and nightmare still NEW?

    :thumbdown:
     
  2. archite666

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    yes new just ist for new characters, also for new characters
     
  3. Petra Fyde

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    you can tell how new a NEW is by their guild tag, though one with those pets may be reliant on jewels, or it's one of the co-leaders?
     
  4. nightstalker22

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    KILL Them!!! They are using the NEW guild banner as protection, they are obviously not NEW, though they may have just recently joined NEW.

    Either way, they have powerful pets to protect them, so the NEW banner is second rate to the pets... they're on their own if I see them! :twak:
     
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    You can recieve 5.9 points a day and rune beetle only needs GM or slightly less.
    So in less than 2 weeks a person can have these pets.
    NEW is supposed to keep member around 30 days to my memory.
    This person should be honored for there speed at these skills.
    I Say HOORAY.
    Let us not forget if person uses skill helping scrolls or skill bonus scrolls. If player has the right ones, he could have skills in a week. WOW
     
  6. Patty Pickaxe

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    I do believe Shal allows players to stay in NEW longer than 30 days if they have not found a guild to join and are not comfortable on their own. In other words, she no longer kicks them out after 30 days.
     
  7. Nickster

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    I would consider having those pets means that they are able to defend themselves, NEW or not, my thief couldn't hold hos own against those pets so i say he has the advantage and is fair game!
     
  8. Angora

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    How much protection does being in NEW really grant you? Since I've joined, there has been lots of talk in guild chat about getting PKed. Heck, we had PK camping the NEW guild house just the other day. ...and I got attacked yesterday by the worst PK in history. :scholar: Seriously, how can someone be red and do such poor damage to a nub such as myself. :scholar:


    It might aford some protection from those that are more honourable or understand that giving people a chance to get a foothold before PKing them makes for victims with larger gold sacks down the road, but so far, the benefit seems to be that it is a group of people that are all in the same boat and wanting to help each other out. NEW is a great idea and does really help people get started, but you are still going to get attacked/PKed by scrubs.


    I think I know the person that you are talking about though, and I am about 100% sure that they use jewelry or they loose their pet.
     
  9. Angora

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    Also, if you are up for the grind, you can have your important skills into ROI on the first day you create your character. ....if you start early like 6AM and go all day long. I was suprised how quickly you can raise skills.
     
  10. Mook Chessy

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    To Angora

    but you are still going to get attacked/PKed by scrubs.


    Why play Siege??

    Because they choose to play a different style they are scrubs?

    I am still new to Siege myself ( 8 months) but I would bet you won't last...

    Nothing personal, just seems people with your kind of attitude get mad and quit.
     
  11. Hera - Siege

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    I don't think Angora is calling them scrubs because they're pks, she's calling them scrubs because they don't respect the NEW guild tag.

    People whine and complain that there aren't enough people on the shard, but will sit there and grief the daylights out of new... and granted this is Siege, but the whole 'baptism of fire' crap is well, exactly that, crap.

    It's a different ruleset, and takes a bit of getting used to, give the people some time to train to be able to defend themselves, or if you insist on killing them, rez and don't/light loot, giving them a small taste of what's to come. And yes, all you l337 pvp'rs can take anyone out with only 1 skill at 70, your thumb up your bum and all other skills at 20 with Jack of All Trades. But not everyone has won UO like you have, so realize that other people may not be that 'talented.'

    There aren't a whole lot of 'true siegers' left, I'm willing to bet I can count on just my fingers the amount of people who are still around that began with this shard, there certainly aren't many, so STFU with your 'this is Siege' very few of you know what Siege was, and it certainly isn't it now. Fact of the matter is, you're going to have to 'convert' those trammies because that's all that you have left, you're not getting an population influx from new accounts, that's for sure. So be nice to the Trammies for a little while and maybe they'll convert and you will have the shard population you desire.

    And Lord help them if they decide to visit these Forums, speaking of Trammies, because it's basically just a bunch of bile and whining about faction itembuybacks as of late.
     
  12. Nickster

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    I certainly respect the NEW tag... but to be honest if they have animals like that 1st They should be congratulated, thats some serious skill training, and secondly the NEW tag still means the same, however that person would easily kill me if I stood my ground but i guess they are still in NEW so i should leave em.... but then again they could be a long term player that is helping run the guild... best bet is IMHO is i just leave them when i see them, i am not a PK i am a thief, i have nothing to gain stealing worthless items.
    unless they do something to me then i won't touch them.
     
  13. it takes 2 days to get to 80 taming in ROT

    with jewls you can have 100

    so in a week you can easily have those pets

    keep in mind that the person in question is probly reliant on jewls, and also probably does not have many other skills that are alos high

    if you have ever played a tamer, you know you cant just run around with a dragon, you need to be able to defend yourself somehow, be it stealth. magery whatever....

    also NEW isnt just based on skills, it is about your expierance in siege, about your gear, and wealth

    having a rune beetle is one thing, but being able to afford new armor and regs, is an entirely different thing...
     
  14. Angora

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    Exactly. I am actually sort of confused as to how someone could think that camping the NEW guild house or dry looting people that are trying to work up skills at the graveyard could be a different playstyle.

    Nickster makes a good point. Why bother someone if they are not bothering you and you have nothing to gain from them? Of course, it is different if you are at war with someone's guild or you know it is an alt of an enemy. You are better off letting them be for now and targeting them when their purses are fat with coin and valuable items.



    As far as NEW players with decent skills. I don't know....I sort of screwed up by not taking bushido and starting as an elf. Maybe I'll reroll my character and see how far i can get in a 12 hour UO training fest. I bet I don't loose that much progress. ROT is really casual friendly when you think about it. You can blast your way to 70 then let ROT take care of the rest. No endless grinding to get that last .1 or .2.
     
  15. Nickster

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    very true about the ROT,

    there will always be people who kill / harrass weaker players, at the end of the day NEW players help populate our shard.... this can only be a good thing!

    for everyone who kills/loots there will be someone who offers to help! so i guess it works itself out!

    P.S
    check your PM's Angora :)
     
  16. Mook Chessy

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    I have given a ton to members of NEW in my short time here, LRC Suits, Bows, Pets and even a good chunk of gold. Not to mention I have never attacked NEW. The point of my post was that Siege is not for the light hearted or the I want it now crowd, I speak of the Siege NOW, please save your breath with the Siege history lesson, its getting old.

    Unless you have a time machine that ship has sailed, been there, did that, got the t-shirt.

    And as far as your STFU, nice mouth......
     
  17. eurin

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    That character is not 30 days old, so of course he hasn't been in NEW 30 days. To tame those animals, you have to power level only two skills, that leaves the rest of his skills low. His ability to farm with those pets doesn't mean he could survive any focus in pvp yet.

    I don't believe the NEW banner has been much protection from members of your thief guild anyways.
     
  18. nightstalker22

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    Please! I haven't killed a single NEW, nor have I stolen from any of them.

    I will not say that I havent snooped their packs though. :)

    Actually, I tried donating to the box on NEW guild house steps before, but was rejected!
     
  19. eurin

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    I didn't say all members. I won't say which, I didn't intend to change the topic of the thread.
     
  20. Hera - Siege

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    Way to miss the point, the only way you're going to get more Siege blood is to attempt to convert the light hearted, because that's all that is left. UO does not have a shelf presence and I'm willing to bet quite a few current big name MMOG players don't even know what 'UO' stands for.

    The people switching to Siege now are coming from Trammie shards, maybe they've PvP'd before, maybe they haven't. Being introduced to PvP with a grief-fest isn't exactly a wonderful time. A slightly gentler initial touch may persuade more people to stay to get involved in a real fight. Isn't that what Siege allegedly prides itself on, PvP? Not the griefing of new characters.

    And I don't understand how you equate 'wanting it now' to a comment on PK's that don't respect the NEW tag. I agree you shouldn't feel completely safe to do what-ever you want, but it should also afford some measure of training in the wild without being harassed.

    Telling someone that "Nothing personal, just seems people with your kind of attitude get mad and quit." is getting just as old and just as tired.

    And funny you're all oooh, boo hoo, he said STFU when you're commenting yourself on 'not for the light hearted.' Guess it's one of those, do as I say, not as I do examples.
     
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    I would say the tag stands, and should be respected. Because someone has those pets, doesnt mean they can defend themselves very well. So, lets say they went hard on taming all day got to 70. 2 days in rot, they are now 80. Hell at 70, they can use 2 pieces of +15 jewels. So, because they have a mare, and a beetle. Doesnt mean they have full control, to guard, or all kill. That also doesnt mean they have worked magery up to a respectable level to heal themselves with a decent amount of HP per spell. perhaps they also still have very low stats, which means one combo and they are down. Also they could have a non med LRC suit on to get going. Meaning they wont last long if you lure pets away. That might be thier only gear, etc etc etc.

    And as far as the past 30 days. Shal seems to let a some stay past the 30 days. And yes sometimes its if they havent chosen a guild yet, or havent been on when a GM of the guild is on. Or like some I was in new with. Had a hurricain hit, and have been evacuated from thier homes for over 30 days.
     
  22. Chad Sexington

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    Great episode... Glad you're finally back to making more.
    I'm still kicking myself for summoning too close , one screen away...

    I only had a chance to get one summoned, I was going to send five, which would surely have killed her. If I had a focus...that would have been enough, five would have summoned at once.

    Anyone on shard have spellweaving? Let me rephrase... anyone on shard have spell weaving who is interested in devious deeds? >:)
     
  24. MadMurphy

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    The guy who started this thread is a real do_uche, a point that is backed up if you go to his link. Its funny that the guy you are qq'ing about was 1 shotted a few days ago by someone who doesn't respect the NEW tag and that he got those pets with the help of two friends. Oh but as soon as Shal saw the pets she should have booted him right? Why cause he's not some rp'er that you and chumps like you can sit at the guild house and corpse camp all day? Because he is using his month in NEW to get his character where it needs to be to survive? Oh but I guess if you know how to level your skills then you're gonna have cry babies that think they need to hop on here and act like jerks for no reason. Grow up buddy, the only reason you're in the position you are in is because you still play a game long after its dead and from the threads here it only seems like its dying more everyday. And what do you do? Try to pick on someone you don't know jack about, pathetic really considering attitudes like yours discourage new players and that is exactly what you need here unless you like running around all day not seeing one other person(as I have many days in the couple weeks I've been playing.) But what am I thinking, you probably do want that so you can keep acting like you are all high and mighty at this game.

    QQ
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  25. eurin

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    Based on other threads I browsed today, the reason you aren't seeing anyone, is because a ) everyone runs with hiding/stealth. or b) runs in packs, so on every 3rd day of playing, you'll run into a screenful.
     
  26. Maybe it's just me, but something strikes me as so wrong with that picture...

    Damn.
     
  27. Chad Sexington

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    :grouphug:
     
  28. eurin

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    Oh MadMurphy, you just got yourself 4 days of stalking til he finds a weak moment he could actually kill you.

    Followed by a dear diary.
     
  29. Urin

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    A rune beetle and nightmare can both be tamed with ~75 taming and jewelry. Are you not NEW anymore after hitting the coveted level of adept in any skill?

    Also, while I’m sure your build and playstyle can be entertaining at times, assuming you don’t have more suitable combat skills soulstoned, your income is totally reliant on killing others more capable at farming gold or items than you. How long do you have to wait between these kills, and how many hours is it before an opportunity presents itself on average? On the other hand, I doubt that the earning power of the tamer, in your most recent entry for instance, was negatively impacted at all from your actions - you commented yourself regarding the speed with which her dragon was killing things. It’s likely she simply went elsewhere to continue raking in the gold hand over fist with minimal effort on her part.

    Regardless however, in order to keep playing like you do – and for the sake of argument, we’ll assume you enjoy your playstyle – the population of this server needs to be maintained. Shouldn’t you be happy that there are people in NEW, if only for the reason that they won’t be in there long – at least they’re not playing WOW.
     
  30. eurin

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    By this argument, a janitor should see the earning power of a doctor and put down his broomstick. Well, maybe he likes to clean **** up all day? Loves the **** cleaning so much he keeps a pictorial log (pun intended).
     
  31. Sweeney

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    With the recent bathroom talk, it's ironic that two urine's are in the same thread.
     
  32. eurin

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    It'll be fine as long as we don't cross streams.
     
  33. @ Chad, yes. Runebeetle and mare or not, he's still new enough to qualify for NEW, he'll soon be 30 days. We do not remove anyone until we know they have a guild to go to, find a guild they will potentially 'fit', or decide to start their own guild. Having said that, we do attempt to contact any guild they express an interest in, and hope said guild/s will be prompt with a positive reply.

    I changed the 30 day rule because too many were quitting the shard if left to go solo, so I will not apologise for the change, it's working.


    @ Nickster, Runebeetle and mare or not, his NEW tag doesn't allow him to initiate an attack on you, so you would have no need to 'stand your ground' as you put it.

    @ Nightstalker, if you want to place a donation in any of the boxes at NEW house, you need to have a helper access you first.

    @ Hera, couldn't have said most of that better myself.
     
  34. MadMurphy, some players actually used to object to a NEW having a Lord title (which they never managed to hold onto for long of course) or riding an ethy, assuming new to Siege also means new to UO....ridiculous.
     
  35. Touzoko

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    Ah- New is small group here. Why pick on New when so many others to choose? Item is not like will make or break playing day.
    This thief doesn't steal from New. Saw one once with uncorsed arty, and took to teach lesson. Would have given it back, after taunting, but he ran away, so returned it to guild for him. Now, if this thief sees new person playing, he stealths up and says "hi". If they read forums, they know Nezumi is thief. They should understand they need to be careful. Occasionally Nezumi comments on pack contents. That is extra warning.
    When they are fledged warriors and mages, they will make interesting marks.
     
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    Yeah, I was booted after 30 days... so , can I rejoin under the new NEW rules? :D

    I never see anyone at the house when I pass by that way, how will I get access? I have tons of powerscrolls to off load, among other things.
     
  37. Nickster

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    Haha , what a moron you are! the guy who started this thread is known through the game as a legend... and you are who?? some jumped up little prick who has just made sure that if i find out who his char is i will kill him every time i see him and dry loot you, and possibly do things to your dead body!
     
  38. Nickster

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    Brilliant! glad you making them again!!!
     
  39. Angora

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    LOL...nice hat.

    I see that Jackal is in your guild. Good guy, he gave me some armor and weapons my first day back. I think the cheese-mo orc helm and ringmail tunic tipped him off that I might not be a seasoned vet. hehe...just thought I would add something positive to a mostly negative thread.

    BTW, I finished building my first 100% LRC suit last night so I could train up my necromancy. It has a bunch of non-med peices and the resists are all like 30 or so. It is pretty bad for anything other then just sitting in the inn casting horrific beast, but if I wasn't expecting to get hit, it would be pretty workable I guess. A tamer probably has a lot more leway with their LRC pieces then other builds I would think.
     
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    LOL, yeah, I found a NEW player killing the mean old monsters in Despise. She felt it was safe enough to carry around some virtue armor in her main pack. I decided to be a teacher and show her that she probably should have banked those. I hope she learned her lesson...la
     
  41. Angora

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    LOL...that was actually funny because it dropped in my pack about a minute before you showed up. Then I was like "oh yeah, that is why I used to carry deathrobes and and hides around with me everywhere back in the day." Easy come, easy go. LOL.

    ...oh wait, if I don't get pissed about this Mook is gonna be let down. *Waggles fist* NO! YOU GO ...la YOURSELF!

    damn, I forgot the emo emotcon...

    :gun:

    ...that's better. haha.


    Is virtue armor even rare? I got the same piece you pinched again the next day.
     
  42. MadMurphy

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    Dear Diary...Current Mood - Apathetic...

    Aww, did I insult your hero? :( Just curious, how is this chump a legend? Is it because he is so flamboyant that it is practically a miracle that he isn't playing some Barbie themed game? Or maybe its because he has some lame website where he posts pics of the worthless junk he steals? Either way it doesn't matter to me. I don't give two ****s if this turd was Richard Garriott or Bruce Kong Ali, while he may be your idol he is nothing to me and never will be. Anyone can stealth around and prey on the weak all while taking screenshots. A legend? PPPPFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFTTTTTTTTT.
     
  43. Urin

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    In order for this reference not to be lost on those unfamiliar with the song, this link should explain it: The EMO song!
     
  44. eurin

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    A legend doesn't only come out of the shadows when all risk is gone.

    A legend doesn't cry out and draw attention to someone with the little evidence he had. The tamer in question had never even played UO 30 days ago, so he certainly isn't even close to hiding behind a tag.


    To Touzoko: It was my sword you returned, and thanks. I was fighting off a never ending spawn of ettins, and since my character was a few days old I was struggling with that too much to play games about being sold back a drop. I had tried to keep an eye out for a virtue-artifact drop, but you saw it before I did, so it must have just dropped for me. I knew it probably wasn't terribly valuable, and I had no chance to take it back by force, so I just cut my losses and left to bank what little I had.
    Thanks for dropping the sword back off to Shal.
     
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    As Shalimar stated a NEW can not initate any attack on anybody anyways ie the rules and if they break that rule ever you are to notify her and NEW.

    Having those pets also does not mean diddly really for some new arrivals here.

    I had a friend from Chesapeake try to become part of Siege when I came here. Only difference between he and I was he was born into UO post Trammel. He seriously did wish to give Siege a try. He was a legendary tamer on Chesapeake so...he worked to become that which he likes being here..a tamer. He refused to join NEW saying he was not new to UO.. I told him I joined new and played uo since 98...but was *new here*...but born to a feluccan only ruleset *unlike him*!!


    Within no time at all he upped two main tamer skills here...the rest of his skills were very very low yet...but he had a white Wyrm and a nightmare in no time flat it seemed. HE ENDED UP PKd..........and I laughed sort of gigglin saying ...........you had a ww AND a mare and ya DIED ??? He said yehhhhh and my pets too.......I said WHY ? Why didnt ya say ...fluffy all kill ?? ya had a ww AND a mare to defend you.........?? He said hrmm was born to trammel got so stunned to be attacked I guess I went into shock....... :) I said welcome to SIEGE ! LOL and FELUCCA ! :)

    So having the pets as a new immigrant here ..unless they WERE born to the old UO .............they could still be............a dirtnapped corpse on the grounds of SIEGE.........they just not even used to being attacked yet ......so having the pets.........can be meaningless for em at first. LOL

    I never laughed so hard when my friend with 2 mega pets in tow........... DIED here. New to Siege new to feluccan ruleset old to taming he was a ghost on our landscape here within short time even WITH the ww and nightmare ! OMFG ATTACKED ON SIEGE OoooOO he and his pets were ghosties rather rapidly ! :)

    * I still laugh over that sight* :) He was more ye true trammelite he did not last here long though. :)