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Is there a way to kill MoBs spawning in out of reach places ?

Discussion in 'UHall' started by popps, Mar 31, 2011.

  1. popps

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    First and foremost, I DID page a Game Master for help, hours ago.... No response and MoB is still in out of reach place......

    I tried all area spells that I could think of, earthquake and essence of wind included but I seem to go nowhere. I tried to fire field and also wildfire targeting the MoB's gump but I get the cannot see message.

    Do I have any option to solve the problem on my own or do I just need to wait for a Game Master that I do not even have an idea whether there is any online ??
     
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    I was always told to just leave them alone and let them decay there so that they didn't spawn in that spot again
     
  3. Legacyee

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    Leave the poor Mob alone, he doesn't want to play, it taken hours to find a safe place where he can stay alive for a while and you want to kill him
    go find a MoB that wants to play and let this one live in peace
     
  4. popps

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    Well, it has been hours now and unless it is respawning always in that location I doubt that it is decaying....

    How long is the decay time for existing MoBs if any ?
     
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    Well, unfortunately only that type carries the stuff I need and if 2 of them spawned in that out of reach area this means 2 less that I can hunt and thus, MUCH increased times for me to be able to gather the quota of items that I need.

    Their better safety comes at the expense of my time and sorry, but in this case I think that my time is rather more important.....
     
  6. LoL/Sonoma

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    Is it a unique mob? Any reason not to just go find another?

    Mobs eventually despawn, but it takes a very long time (in my experience).

    Just find something else to hunt and try it again tomorrow if it is a unique mob.
     
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    They spawn only in that area unfortunately. No other place to look for them.
     
  8. LoL/Sonoma

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    Just hunt the others in the area then i guess. Not much to be done about it excepting waiting for them to despawn that i know of.
     
  9. popps

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    Is today some Holiday that I am not aware of ?

    I am surprised that so far I received no Game master intervention. This is clearly an issue worthy of in-game customer service and these are working hours unless it is some Holiday I am not aware of.

    I could imagine them being busy with other calls but it has been hours now and so far no change of the status of the problem.

    My page is still active as I have the option to cancel it so this means to me that the Page is up and running. But no game Master intervention, though.

    So, what working Holiday is it in the states that I am not aware of ?
     
  10. no nothing can be done.
    yes you can go do something else.
     
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    The short answer is yes, usually.

    What mob, which shard?
     
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  13. Sevin0oo0

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    --->>> what LadyNico said <<<---

    I was told by a Sr. GM that typically they are Not Allowed to move spawn, because the game self-corrects or some BS like that, and if they move it, it'll happen again for sure.


    oh, and what game, because UO doesn't have GM support, just the button
     
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    When was it changed ?

    Because I do recall in the past paging Game Masters for the same exact problem and have them come to move not only MoBs, but also ships blocking access to locations.

    If this is no longer the case then at some point there must have been changes.

    It would be good, though, that players were informed what are the actual duties they should expect Game Masters to take care of as in-game customer service and which not.
     
  15. Flutter

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    THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!
     
  16. Goldberg-Chessy

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    No offense but maybe this isnt "clearly an issue worthy of in-game customer service"

    Don't you think that everyone that pages believes that their personal issue is worthy of in-game attention? Please.

    There are approx a billion creatures to fight/farm in-game. Maybe you could take a break from your current one and do something different? Would that make you feel too oppressed or cheated though? Just gotta have that particular item right now?

    It's just not fair that the Dev's don't envision EVERY possible scenario so that you can have exactly what you want every time without any waiting :(

    As usual sir you have asked a question for which you already know the answer. You just want to rant in what you think is a politely clever way lol. Or maybe you arent ranting? Maybe I mis-read your sarcastic remark about it possibly being a Holiday you are unaware of?

    Maybe I am wrong though. You pay your $13 a month. Maybe you should get your own personal in-game GM to wait around 24/7 for your supremely important pages?
     
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    There was a post, maybe a FoF post, that the Dev stated that GM's typically don't or wouldn't move spawns. I believe the theory behind it was that under most situations there were ways to kill the monster either via spells or archery. The post was either just before the Vanguards/Dread mares were in Papua and Cove or during that event. I remember it because it wasn't long after reading the post, there was a pretty good dread mare stuck under Papua bank and I paged a GM just to see if they would move it so that I could tame it, and about 5 minutes late it was moved to my surprise.
     
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    Well, a code generated creature intended to be there for the fun of paying customers spawns due to code in an area that players cannot reach in no way, using normal game mechanics, thus preventing players to have any interaction (as they should) with such a creature and this would not be an issue worthy of in-game customer service ??

    Excuse me ?

    Do we have clear what is customer service intended to be for paying customers, in the first place ?
     
  19. Risso

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    Ranged attacks, AoE spells.
     
  20. Barry Gibb

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    LadyNico has the right idea.

    It is really hard to offer help if you do not give information. If it is a flying creature, then you just need to break aggression for a while and let it fly somewhere reachable. Typically ANY creature just needs to be left alone without being aggressive to a player and everything works itself out. The other option is to get help from other players with different types of ranged attacks (tamers w/ dragons, archers, mages, etc..) to help kill it. Pets have a knack at finding a "sweet spot", where they can damage it (even though the player may not be able to). Some folks may have already found a way around your problem (I have helped numerous people on LS with this type of problem). If this happens again, and you are dead set to stay ther, post a screenshot.

    Stayin Alive,

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  21. Ender

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    See if the spawn is actually completely stopped because of this, it would be an issue.

    Until then quit your pancakes and just kill what you can.
     
  22. ilot

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    I'd love to smoke the same stuff as pooop
     
  23. MalagAste

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    Good luck Popps ..... I've complained about certain things like this for years.... it's not going to get fixed.

    I even told DEV's I would PERSONALLY lead them around and SHOW them things like that... No response.
     
  24. Martyna Zmuir

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    Okay, I call shenanigans.

    Seriously, you've played UO how long now? You know GM support scrapes the bottom of the barrel, just like the rest of us know.

    Spare us your indignance of being unable to farm leather wolves and/or iron beetles because one has spawned in an out of reach location.

    Just wait quietly as others have repeatedly suggested.
     
  25. Goldberg-Chessy

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    1) fun of paying customers? How deliciously ironic? No offense bud but anyone that has spent more then a few minutes on these boards realizes that you personally seem to not be playing this game for 'fun'
    You have major personal issues with every pixel lol.

    2) being a paying customer in this particular game guarantees you nothing except an account & a landscape. The sooner you realize this the better

    3) why cant there be creatures ingame temporarily unreachable? Not something I would want to happen regularly but still no real biggie. Did I miss something in TOS?

    4) btw, the particular mob you mentioned in your OP is obtainable.
    It is a password spawn similar to the abyss/ord area.
    In your case though you have to type in the word 'ritalin'
     
  26. Capn Kranky

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    My goodness! All these fine folks have given you an answer! Just accept the fact of it and send additional whimpers of disgust on this topic to EA through the normal channels.

    The rest of us want to go back to our soggy graham crackers and warm milk.

    <doffs worn out tophat> G'day!
     
  27. Zosimus

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    Popps why does this thread seem familar? Oh I know why, you re-opened one of your locked threads with a similar story. This is not new to you but you wanted to rant and rave. So many posts for you and its hard to keep up, you actually got caught this time. You know there is a rule on stratics about re-opening locked threads. This time you added a tiny bit of info to this current thread but yet again you wont answer the question. What shard and what spawn.?



    http://vboards.stratics.com/uhall/237499-does-gamemaster-service-still-function.html

    Here are your quotes from this link.


    So you go off about not being able to get Mobs that are out of reach for you and then you go off about no service. That is the same as the link above and a locked thread. Tsk tsk Popps. You already knew the answer before you posted but you was clearly ranting. I suggest to stratics to lock this thread also since he is clearly ranting about service which he has done before on his own locked thread.
     
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    this happens with saliva im afraid the only thing you can do is goto fel side..
    i waited 5 hours for help one day i left and went to do other things and came back and it was still in the black area..

    every gm page got canceled with NO reply..
    so if your just waiting and waiting check the gm page.. i bet it was canceled and not replied to.
     
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    Apples and oranges.

    That one was about paging on a scripter, this one is about paging on a MoB spawning in an out of reach area. Two ENTIRELY different issues.

    Wrong try, sorry.

    Furthermore, if you read my OP I was just asking for advice on how to kill a MoB spawning in an out of reach area since I seem to be unable to clear that spawn on my own AND, incidentally, the page I did for Game Master help has not been answered.

    It is not my fault if I get dragged into discussions which have nothing to do with my original query.

    By the way, after many many hours the spawn finally decayed and the MoB was finally able to respawn in a reachable location.
     
  30. Nope not your fault.
     
  31. Sevin0oo0

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    yes, there's been changes, that's why old timers are all complaining, because we used to not only get good service, but also had fun w/ some at times. I'm, thinking it changed, probably when Spada was put over CS (pre Treasures Of Tokuno i think) - it was stated to me (by Spada) it was all about closing trouble tickets, period.

    That's why he got such a 'warm' welcome his last time here - warm, as in burned him at the stake.

    I've had things moved too, but seems even a Dev posted they didn't want them doing that.

    So where is this mob stuck at? screenshot would be nice - I'd bet We can give you an answer before you get a response.
     
  32. Zosimus

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    Your question was answered way before but you still went on as normally as you do. The link I gave and this thread are the same. It was your way of QQ because its all about you. A rant is a rant. They can be apples or oranges or both.

    Btw this quote of yours in this thread.....

    Do you ever think that maybe the GM's were tied up with others issues that may have been more importnat then yours. Other people pay also and it also their time. Should EA dedicate an X amount of GM's to cover your needs 24 hours, 7 days a week, 12 months a year, 365 days a year, and that is including holidays? Would that make you happy while the rest of the paying customers have to wait and get canned responses most times?

    Glad you issue was taken care of but kind of like your issue..you know..out of line of sight is why you couldnt attack it because of where the spawned...it fixed itself.
     
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    Gotta love how popps always asks a very simple question and turns it into a huge rant. Also how he always ignores people whenever someone asks for the specifics of the problem as in what a gm page was in reference to so we might help, or in this case, what shard/mob is the issue here so we also might help.

    I am starting to think he's just making up junk to post about just so he can get his fix on a debate-craving. Because clearly he doesn't want he'll as he just keeps arguing. Or, as he likes to put it "debating."
     
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    As I see it, the good of having a Game Master respond to pages like mine, is that the Game master could then block the out of reach spawn point for good so that the incident could not possibly repeat.

    That is, a little expenditure of time for the Game Master could bring a good feeling to players who, after all, are paying customers, about the Customer Service being handed to them, and it would also allow for the problem to get solved for good, without it being possible to repeat.

    Not allowing Game Masters to respond to queries like this only allows for the problem to repeat again in the future and having players disappointed with the level of in-game customer service that they receive.

    In short, not allowing Game Masters to respond to this type of queries is, in my view, a big mistake.

    Now the problem solved itself because the spawn decayed. It took many many hours for this to happen though..... But thanks for the offer.
     
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    Absolutely. Still, all is relative.

    First, my original post was not about me not getting Game Master's response but more looking for a way that I could find a solution to the issue on my own. That is, try to kill the damn MoB spawned in an out of reach place by myself, without wasting any precious Game Master's time....

    Second, GMs can be busy and also extremely busy but when time adds up and the minutes become hours, many hours, one starts thinking how come that they cannot find a few minutes to show up and move a MoB out of the unreachable spot they spawned at.....

    I mean, how much time would it take to a Game Master to move a MoB from spot A to spot B ? I have no idea of the complexity of the task but my guess is only a few seconds of their time.

    Now, that a GM cannot be responsive right away I can understand, that they cannot show up in an hour or even 2 for a few seconds I can also understand. But that even with a wait of many many hours it ain't still possible to see an intervention from a Game Master that would only take a few seconds that, honestly, I have hard time to tolerate.

    The spawn decayed, but that took a whole lot of hours during which I could not interact with that spawn as I expected and wanted.
     
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    I do not really see how relevant could be the shard since they are all the same and the spawn code is all the same. Therefore, what can happen on a shard can happen on all shards.
    So, whether the incident happened here or there is not relevant at all.

    Sure, people could offer to "help" showing up at the shard and location where the problem surfaced, but since I am not being showed much "friendliness" over the boards, I am extremely suspicious to disclose much details on where I may play and what my characters might be because I honestly do not want the "friendliness" shown to me on these forums to get transferred also to the game I play for entertainment.

    That is why when it comes to games issue I don't allow much detailing from me. I just do not want to have in game the same "warmth" I see on the boards, showed to me.
    I think we are entitled to our privacy, not only on these Forums, but also in the game. I am just very privy of my privacy and I think it is my right to it.
     
  37. Viper09

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    You might be surprised how friendly people are if you'd only work with them instead of looking down on all the suggestions people give and "debating," constantly. No answer is ever good enough for you. All you seem to want are never-ending debates, not help. And you guise your threads that way. Asking for tips, ideas on how to do stuff. You get answers only to turn them back at them into nothing more than a debate on "logic" of why it must be done that way, how it's unnecessary to do it another way, how you see it as unfair etc.

    Take your previous thread about issues paging a GM. Several of us asked what your problem was in hoping we could help. Not once did you give us anything. Rather you continued ranting.
     
  38. Petra Fyde

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    While shard may, indeed, not be relevant, the particular mob is. With that information someone might have been able to advise a strategy that would work.
    If you expect to find help on these boards you need to give enough information to enable people to assess the problem.
    With GM pages often the way it's worded makes a vast difference, but without knowing what you sent we can't offer alternatives.
    You also seem to have a habit of ignoring any help offered in order to continue a 'debate' which people find annoying.
     
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    As in reference to the other thread about Game Masters' in-game support, I did not want to mention in that thread that I paged on a player that I thought was scripting because I have learned how heated this issue is and did not want the thread to yet take another tangent about scripting. That thread was not about scripting but I felt that mentioning it would have made it yet another scripting thread. So I preferred not to mention the reason for my paging.
     
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    Well, it was the leather wolves spawn in Northern Ter Mur right above the High Plains Bouras.

    There is like about 4 or 5 Leather wolves that spawn there though in random locations (one has to do a whole lot of walking all around to find the new ones spawning...). At the end of the path leading to where the Treefellows are (and before getting to where the silver serpents spawns), there is like a small circle of mountainous rocky area to the left with a little flat few tiles. Apparently, enough to allow leather wolves to respawn into them.

    Unfortunately, it is a spot that even circling around it, I could not find anywhere to either direct cast or use area spells that could kill them.

    Unfortunately 2 leather wolves spawned in there thus effectively cutting in half my chances at re-spawn for many hours. Sure, I could still keep on getting leather wolves' skins though, at half the rate as before because of that out of reach spawn.

    Yes, I know it was mentioned that another way is to use crafted wolves but that is a way that I do not find as proper because I see it more like a work around rather than playing the game through natural playing. Besides, the crafted wolves do not bond and if they die it is necessary to make new ones which can become annoying. I therefore preferred to just get the resource I needed at the spawns only available through the regular, linear game play.

    As in regards my page to the Game Master, it was short and right to the point. I simply said something like "A monster I need to hunt re-spawned in an out of reach place that is not accessable from anywhere. Cannot kill it at current spawn location. I need your assistance, thank you".

    I am not sure how better I could have phrased it to get better attention.
     
  41. Viper09

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    Well since you never even hinted to the reason for the page what you expect? Paging on people rarely get any response, and of course wording a page is always important. But again, lack of information from you rarely helps so we can only give you help based on the extreme lack of information you hand out. You say problem paging, we give what information we can so don't complain.
     
  42. Barry Gibb

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    Dragons and Nightmares love to firebreath creatures like that. Like I mentioned before, pets can find places that work for them, but not for you (that's just the way it has always been). Next time this happens, use the in-game chat and call for help from a tamer.

    Another good place to find Leather Wolves is south of Fisherman's Reach. Even if they are trapped, did you check to see if their summoned wolves would be reachable? Go into War Mode and attack them as you would with a fighter, and see if they howl for help.

    Use the wolves against easier creatures, so they wont die. Your target only needs to live long enough for the wolf to call for help. The wolves have a cool down before they howl again, but it is still quicker than the spawn. Use them to hunt something to give other resources to make the most of your time.

    Stayin Alive,

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    It seems the EA apologists are out in force today; either that or people have put up with poor customer service for so long that they've become conditioned to genuinely believe that a perfectly acceptable "solution" to an obvious game mechanics issue is to do something else or move elsewhere.

    While moving or doing something else is an obvious work-around, so obvious in fact that I'm sure the OP coulda probably figured this out by himself without having that pointed out to him 100 times if you catch my drift, it doesn't address the fundamental problem: this is exactly the type of issue GMs should be dealing with in a timely manner, and even prioritizing. The problem's nature means that the solution can only come from a GM if the mob genuinely was stuck and out of LoS of ranged attacks. It wouldn't take that long to solve either. Quite fundamentally, this epitomizes the exact type of problem that an in-game support service should be there to deal with.

    So yeah. In-game support is bad. This isn't really news. It doesn't mean customers have to just accept that fact though, or even get berated by certain elements of the community when highlighting the frustrations they encounter when attempting to use this service for quite legitimate problems that obviously require intervention.
     
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    How does any of this make us EA apologists? Please indulge us.

    It's just a simple fact that GMs don't really assist on this. The answers that were given were just that, answers. What did you expect us to do, rant and rave instead of trying to answer a question? Yes, GMs should deal with this. They use to if I remember. But since the GMs are working with others games they simply aren't trained with UO. Most of them at least.
     
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    I had a GM come and move Tikitavi[Reknowned] for me today when he was stuck at Cavern of the Discarded. I paged, and he took care of it. Took like 5 minutes to get a response. This was like 4 in the afternoon on Cats.

    Just throwing that out there.