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Is there an official UO forum, or another forum the UO developers interact with?

Discussion in 'UHall' started by Eric Ravenwind, Nov 5, 2011.

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  1. Eric Ravenwind

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  2. Dermott of LS

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    Once upon a time, at UO.com there was, now this is the closest to an "official forum" that it gets.

    Some devs are pretty active on Twitter and Facebook though. Grimm gave somewhat of a play-by-play on Friday of re-rendering the wall tiles. The new producer is pretty active on Twitter (as has been posted on here).
     
  3. Uvtha

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    These are the "official" UO forums.
     
  4. Kylie Kinslayer

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    Call me an Optimist if you must, or need to. But I honestly believe more Dev interaction will be happening around here soon enough. Nothing changes over night, except of course the date. But, I do see good things down the road on the communication front.
     
  5. Ricsreturn

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    it would be the wisest thing they ever done for UO was to make an "official" forum ran by "official" UO staff cause the credibility here isn't that good most find it very bias
     
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    There was an official UO forum run by Origin/EA way back when. It was accessible from the uo.com page. When Stratics had their uo site, EA figured, why compete?

    There's a lot of work, editing, and moderating that goes into forums. More than some people realize. And at this point, there's no way Mythic has anywhere near the staff available to run a forum, even if they wanted to.

    Personally, I'm glad they don't have one so that their staff can focus on in-game stuff, such as bug fixes and new content.
     
  7. DenAlton036

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    Agree
     
  8. Woodsman

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    Interesting. Somebody better tell the official Warhammer forums and they better tell Kai Schober. You may recognize Kai as the community relations guy for UO, as well as Warhammer and Camelot. He's in charge of those official forums and the moderators that aren't supposed to exist.

    Here's a quick listing of those forums which can't exist because Mythic doesn't have the resources:

    BioWare SocialNetwork | Warhammer Online: Age of Reckoning » General Discussion
    BioWare SocialNetwork | Warhammer Online: Age of Reckoning » Forum Announcements
    BioWare SocialNetwork | Warhammer Online: Age of Reckoning » Player Tips & Guides
    BioWare SocialNetwork | Warhammer Online: Age of Reckoning » New Player Discussion
    BioWare SocialNetwork | Warhammer Online: Age of Reckoning » Player Support
    BioWare SocialNetwork | Warhammer Online: Age of Reckoning » UI Mods & Macros
    BioWare SocialNetwork | Warhammer Online: Age of Reckoning » Dev Discussions
    BioWare SocialNetwork | Warhammer Online: Age of Reckoning » Dev Discussions » Future Features - Suggestion Box
    BioWare SocialNetwork | Warhammer Online: Age of Reckoning » Realm vs. Realm
    BioWare SocialNetwork | Warhammer Online: Age of Reckoning » Community Commons - Discuss the hobby, Fan Art, Roleplay and more!
    BioWare SocialNetwork | Warhammer Online: Age of Reckoning » Career Discussions » Tanks
    BioWare SocialNetwork | Warhammer Online: Age of Reckoning » Career Discussions » Ranged Damage Dealers
    BioWare SocialNetwork | Warhammer Online: Age of Reckoning » Career Discussions » Melee Damage Dealers
    BioWare SocialNetwork | Warhammer Online: Age of Reckoning » Career Discussions » Healers
    BioWare SocialNetwork | Warhammer Online: Age of Reckoning » Server Forums » Athel Loren (French)
    BioWare SocialNetwork | Warhammer Online: Age of Reckoning » Server Forums » Badlands
    BioWare SocialNetwork | Warhammer Online: Age of Reckoning » Server Forums » Carroburg (German)
    BioWare SocialNetwork | Warhammer Online: Age of Reckoning » Server Forums » Drakenwald (German)
    BioWare SocialNetwork | Warhammer Online: Age of Reckoning » Server Forums » Gorfang
    BioWare SocialNetwork | Warhammer Online: Age of Reckoning » Server Forums » Iron Rock
    BioWare SocialNetwork | Warhammer Online: Age of Reckoning » Server Forums » Karak-Azgal (UK)
    BioWare SocialNetwork | Warhammer Online: Age of Reckoning » Server Forums » Karak-Norn (UK)
    BioWare SocialNetwork | Warhammer Online: Age of Reckoning » Server Forums » Volkmar
    BioWare SocialNetwork | Warhammer Online: Age of Reckoning » Bug Reports
    BioWare SocialNetwork | Warhammer Online: Age of Reckoning » Public Test Center » Announcements
    BioWare SocialNetwork | Warhammer Online: Age of Reckoning » Public Test Center » General Discussion
    BioWare SocialNetwork | Warhammer Online: Age of Reckoning » Public Test Center » PTS Bug Reports
    BioWare SocialNetwork | Warhammer Online: Age of Reckoning » Public Test Center » Focus Discussions

    The only reason there are official forums for Warhammer, and not for UO or Camelot, is because BioWare has made that decision. BioWare has forums for every other game they make or are responsible for - they even have forums for DOS games that are 15+ years old.

    MS-DOS games are worthy of official BioWare forums.

    UO is not.
     
  9. Ricsreturn

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    and on the other hand it would create more jobs and give them reason to put more resources into a game thats well established in the gaming community. I'm all for creating more jobs aren't you? everyone should want them to put more into UO more legit official forums for the community thats properly informed by the dev's. More attention to the community more attention to promotion the base for it is there and has been for 14yr. Shouldn't be that hard for them I'd think it would be harder for them to try and build this kinda of community off any new game they should take advantage of what they already have here and build more to it.
     
  10. Salivern_Diago

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    There is another Forum that Jeff uses, he posts there fairly often and interacts with the people there. That forum is:

    Ultima Online Forums

    You'll also find that they've opted out of the Offical Fansite program as the rules were too restrictive for them to operate in an open minded fashion. The Admin there also has an awesome nodding cat avatar, beware you WILL watch it for hours on end!!!
     
  11. yars

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    totally agree
     
  12. CatAClism

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    I think this is very misleading...or if you mean by *Posts there very often* you mean other posters copy/pasting his tweets there...then sure *he* posts there often.

    Stratics is the best you're gonna get imo
     
  13. GalenKnighthawke

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    No, he's really posted a couple of times as well.

    Both Stratics and UOFOrums are actually quite bad about posting his "Tweets," for example I consider his statement about the importance PvP to be semi-major but, as far as I can tell, I'm the only one who noticed it (and find it hilarious that almost no one noticed when I posted it here).

    I don't blame either of them, though.

    Twitter is a very odd paradigm, where updates can be ridiculously frequent or so infrequent that stuff is easy to miss either way. Also, important news is nestled right in between stuff like "my gf is hot" and "I saw a cat."

    -Galen's player
     
  14. GalenKnighthawke

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    UO has not had official forums for some years.

    Lest folks forget, let me remind us what the official reason for their closure was: We as a community were so violently aggressive in our posting styles that paid moderators were getting too expensive. The Japanese got to keep their official forum because they were less aggressive in their posting styles, and hence less expensive to moderate.

    Currently, the producer posts here and on UoForums.com. Other unofficial, fan-made boards exist, but I have no idea if the producer, or any of the team members, posts on any of them.

    -Galen's player
     
  15. canary

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    LOL and what...?

    You are wrong, dead wrong. They closed them as a cost cutting mechanism, nothing more.

    'Violently aggressive'... lol. Care to back that up with, you know, actual facts?
     
  16. Ludes

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    I think I'll go ahead and play it anyway.
     
  17. Kiminality

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    Unless they stealthily did that without informing anyone, then that's a load of crap.
    I point you to any one of a number of discussions, ranging from the initial decision to stay in the program to the clarification that they're staying in the program about a week ago, as sources.

    As Galen said, he's posted there 6 times.
     
  18. Sean

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    As the last paid MOD out the door with Grey, this was a big part of it, not the only reason though. During the last 3 months, I was the only contracted MOD left.

    Note to Salivern_Diago: UOForums decided to stay in the fansite program, removing offending trade forums quite awhile ago. We never left the program.
     
  19. Salivern_Diago

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    Actually I think you'll find he has posted there more often than here.
     
  20. Salivern_Diago

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    Well its what I was told by one of thier Admins, if its changed then I'm unaware.
     
  21. CatAClism

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    Actually I think you'll find that he joined Stratics the day BEFORE he joined UOForums and he's posted 9 times here, 6 times there.

    [​IMG]

    If you wanna get picky.

    I'm not hating on UOForums, as you can tell I have an account there as well and I do read both, but the bickering that goes on there about these forums leaves me with a bitter taste in my mouth. I've not seen one time anyone bad-mouthing UOForums here, yet I see it often over there..often times people refer to Stratics as*that other forum* seeming unwilling to even TYPE the word Stratics.

    If we want to be equals, then act like it, I esnjoy reading both, but the atmosphere over there is a bit lacking imo.

    Edited to add that I don't wish disrespect about either forum, like I said I read both, this isn't a contest on who's better, and I agree that UO needs an official forum all it's own, though how to implement that I've no clue as it would require man-power to run and operate. I'd rather them take the time they have to further fix the game we all love.
     
  22. Kiminality

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    You were seemingly told wrong, because when the subject of whether to stay in the program or not came up, the decision was made to stay in.
    That hasn't changed.

    Actually I think you'll find you're wrong again.
     
  23. GalenKnighthawke

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    Let's see here...

    First of all you appear to have conveniently not actually read my post.

    I will excerpt the relevant portion for you, and I'll add emphasis to make it easier to read.

    By definition I was leaving the door open for there to be another reason beyond the "official" one. I'd have been stupid not to.

    Obviously, if our game had, say, 20 million subscribers, it is more likely that EA would have found the money to continue the official forum, and probably done so gladly, no matter how crazy we are.

    As to the "actual fact" that this was the officially stated reason for the closure? That was posted on the old forums themselves, which are now defunct, hence this thread, and I had to rely upon memory.

    It never occurred to me someone would be so violently aggressive as to challenge even that this was the official reason! If I'd stated that it was the reason, or the only reason, I'd have expected to be challenged and rightly so.

    But to be challenged on saying that this was the reason they gave? Never occurred to me someone would challenge that; I'd thought folks' memories were adequate.

    Foolish me.

    Fortunately, though, seems someone else also remembers this:

    http://vboards.stratics.com/2042939-post18.html

    Of course that guy could be lying, I guess, and my memory could be inadequate, and your random implication that I was somehow wrong in what the stated ("official") reason was could be correct.

    Always possible!

    Of course, you cite nothing for what the actually stated reason was, since you somehow disagree with me that that's what they said. Surely they did not say "hey, we hate UO, don't feel like spending the money on the forums, so out they go." Even if they thought that surely they didn't say it.

    Indeed, seems a lot more likely that they would say something like: "You all are too aggressive, we don't have the money to keep up." And that's what they said.

    Of course you could be challenging my idea that UO players tend to be an aggressive bunch. Maybe those are the "facts" you are looking for.

    If that's so I urge you to go to this website called UO stratics and look around.

    Here's a post to get your analysis started:

    http://vboards.stratics.com/2042894-post15.html

    It's an excellent example of needless, indeed mindless, aggression that doesn't even really read the post it's replying to!

    Read a lot of that poster's other posts as well, you'll see the same thing.

    Finally I have to note something: It took me roughly 5 minutes, not counting proofreading, to counter a mere rant that probably took you all of 5 seconds to compose. To counter a random rumor is similar.

    Building is harder and more time-consuming than destroying, and is considerably less fun to boot. Our tendency to want to destroy makes one of the worst decisions in UO history, to dump the official forums, look like a good one or at least look justified.

    -Galen's player
     
  24. Woodsman

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    That was 8 years ago. You really should check some of the threads that get locked in the Warhammer forums. They match us for angst/anger. When Wrath of Heroes was announced, it was an especially angry/angsty forum, more so than UO. It's not just Warhammer though, plenty of angry posts crop up on the Star Wars forums on SWTOR.com. Blizzard probably sees more angry posts about Warcraft in a week than Stratics sees in a month or two with UO. Game companies have learned that's a part of MMOs.

    BioWare understands fully how important official forums are - just look at the Star Wars: The Old Republic forums. Their general discussion area alone has over 4 million posts in a few short years. They have a very large community relations team for Star Wars.

    As for "paid moderators", BioWare.com forum moderators are volunteers.

    BioWare understands fully how important communities are to games (just look at the Dragon Age and Mass Effect forums in the Social.BioWare.com website for more examples). They have a large infrastructure for their forums website that handles millions of posts and has dozens of moderators. UO would be a drop in the bucket activity wise compared to Dragon Age or Mass Effect on those forums.

    It's not because of anything that happened 8 years ago or because of the expense of "paid moderators". The two guys who are at the top of BioWare have even said that they and not EA management have control over what goes on within BioWare.

    It's especially ironic since the head of BioWare Mythic, in talking about Warhammer a few weeks ago, said community was incredibly important.

    When a 15 year old MS DOS game or a sister MMO (Warhammer) that probably has less subs than UO or Camelot have official forums on BioWare.com while UO and Camelot do not, then at some point we just need to accept that BioWare doesn't care that much about UO or Camelot. Even so-called "free to play" MMOs have official forums.
     
  25. Woodsman

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    In looking through the Warhammer forums, this is how some Warhammer players feel in relation to UO/Camelot just from posts in the past few days - some of you may find them amusing:

    Warhammer Online: Age of Reckoning » Gameplay » General Discussion | new WAR website looks great!

    BioWare made the decision not to have official communities for UO and Camelot when they took over the Mythic properties. They supported leaving the Warhammer community up and running and moving them to Social.BioWare.com.

    It's a crappy decision by BioWare to pretend that UO and Camelot communities don't exist, although they are working on the Camelot websites. You still won't really find anything significant as far as UO or Camelot on the official BioWare.com homepage.
     
  26. Kayne

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    *removes staff hat*

    May I remind those making snide comments about stratics that we wouldn't have had a community home and huge guide to all things UO had stratics not been here for all these years. UOForums, UOGuide weren't around when stratics was born.

    Lets remember the history shall we - stratics was born with UO as its first portal. It may not have always been perfect but its been here and all run by an army of volunteers who give up free time to do what they do.
     
  27. MalagAste

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    Well that's a good way to alienate most of your playerbase.

    I for one refuse to use either of those satanistic programs.

    I'm not about to have everyone nosing about in my RL. That's private.

    And I don't have any desire to EVER have that garbage on my PC.

    Fact is I'm not alone. There are believe it or not a great number of people who feel the same way. Twitter and Facebook are an ENORMOUS invasion of privacy. And if you mistakenly believe that they aren't monitoring every move you make on the web then you are greatly mistaken.

    Not that I have anything to hide but what I do privately should be private and not for sale to every money hungry ad campaign company.

    If I want to tell some company whether or not I like their crap then I'll do so.

    If they want to REALLY know how I feel about stuff... they can ask me.



    I hate the fact that big business's and companies are going to Facebook and Twitter to market their products.

    I'd much rather have them post on forums such as this where everyone is allowed to use them... and more folk can see what's going on...

    without having my privacy invaded.
     
  28. Dermott of LS

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    You mean SOME not most, and really, in both cases it's pulling a quantity out of your ass with no way to back up the statement.

    That's entirely up to you, and the people who do use those systems aren't being forced to divulge private information, if they do so, it's by their own choice. Granted, the level of such information that people put out is worrisome, but what happens is on them really. I use Facebook but have a VERY limited friends list. Want to friend me, then you have to tell me who you are and if I know you in terms of UO or are a real life friend or family, then I'll add you, otherwise, I don't. I am not the size of my friends list.

    Ad blockers and browser security addons for the win here. YAY Firefox!

    Because, you know, going where the people are is obviously the wrong way to do it.

    When they have time, they do, sometimes it's easier to pop off a quick blurb on a system designed for more mobile applications (I've posted to here from my phone, but it's a LOT harder than a quick Facebook update and I'm sure Twitter as well).

    Disclosure: I do use Facebook by request from a friend and it has helped in other areas, my activities there tends to be MUCH less UO based and limited to occasional blurbs, I don;t play Facebook games. I do NOT use Twitter because I see no benefit in the concept of giving my life play-by-play unless people want to read "looking at another coin" for 8 hours a day.
     
  29. Petra Fyde

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    I think it's time to call a halt to this.

    There are no official forums. Only EA can definitively say why that is.
    There are a number of fan sites, uo.stratics and uoforums are just two of them.

    Each of them have their supporters, but we will not enter into a 'my dad's bigger than your dad' type shouting contest about which is best. Stratics staff endeavour to support the game and its players to the best of our ability.
     
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