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Is there any reason for repair deeds to be location-specific?

Discussion in 'UHall' started by Shiznit Bo'Bourbon, Aug 16, 2011.

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  1. Shiznit Bo'Bourbon

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    Does having to run to a fletcher shop to use a deed to repair my bow really add anything to the game? When they first added repair deeds a million years ago, I think some developer foolishly believed this would somehow encourage community, but that's a real laugh. It's just irritating.

    Someone give me a good reason for this requirement to exist.

    Note: "Convenience breeds laziness! First it's repair deeds that work anywhere, then it's arties for free! Where does it end?!" is not a good reason.
     
  2. Jhym

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    They did it to discourage its use, since they want players to repair each others' items to encourage community. It's a perfectly reasonable compromise, since before them we couldn't do repairs at all.

    It may be annoying, but if it's such an issue then hire a bowcrafter to come along with you to repair your bows or put the skill on your archer.

    :violin:
     
  3. Note: your "note" is poorly constructed ...
    it is >only< a prejudged decision on a none presented "reason." (opinion subjectively based on a hypothetical).

    The reason to keep the limitation in, supports and maintains my fletchers reason for being
    my NOT having to go beyond my fletchers feet, to get new bows or repair the old, or an opportunity to inquire of his advice and/or opinion
    You never have met MY fletcher have you?
    Even then though ...
    you will ALSO have to come to him, to see him, to talk to him, to beg buy barter and acquire wasted time from him ...

    "samaater with you?
    you need not seek me. inpersona ingame, you can (and usually do) acquire ALL you need from my npc vendor
    at my vendors feet
    and now you complain about merely stepping into an NPCs house?
    To use this magical deed?

    :talktothehand: set bow state to 110% :thumbdown:
     
  4. Goldberg-Chessy

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    I find it extremely disturbing that someone could so lazy & ignorant of intended gameplay mechanics that they even ask this question.

    IMO there can be no other reason for asking the question btw.
     
  5. Nyses

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    Well, look at it this way, a repair "deed" is just that, a piece of paper. Can you simply apply a piece of paper to your armor and have it fixed as good as new? No. In theory, you would need to take your "deed" to the appropriate NPC craftsman and exchange it for said repair. Game programming being what it is, we instead take the deed into the appropriate shop and "apply" it to the thing we need repaired.
     
  6. Larisa

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    Since I've been back I've had several people come up to me in Luna asking for repair deeds, I usually offer to repair the item myself for free.

    100% of the people accepted, and were grateful. *THANK YOU!* The best words a crafter can hear.

    Community...I love it!

    I'll drop free deeds on the ground all the time..it costs pennies for me.

    I feel that taking your watch to the shoe repair would be silly...why would you do that in game?
     
  7. Shiznit Bo'Bourbon

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    So basically no, nobody can think of a good reason. Didn't think so.

    In no particular order...

    What on earth does this have to do with where the repair deeds (which you didn't give them) would or would not have functioned? Oh yeah, nothing.

    What can I say, man? It's a disturbing world. War, famine, disease, lazy video game work ethic. At least we can all sleep better knowing we have you out there crusading against one of them. *snerk* Seriously, why don't you go outside and find something more worthy to expend this snotty moral outrage of yours on?

    So whether or not I run to the moongate, run through the empty streets of Zento, and into their fletcher shop makes some actual difference to your existence? I doubt it.

    What a ****ing load.
     
  8. Shiznit Bo'Bourbon

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    Oh yeah, I encourage anyone looking at this thread to go look at Goldberg's posting history. It's just post after post after post of him telling people who suggest ANYTHING or who are unhappy about ANYTHING how they disgust him and should shut up.

    It's hysterical.
     
  9. Larisa

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    ^this

    You're exchanging the deed for the service provided the the person who does such services.

    so until you can magic a blacksmith out of thin air to repair your item at YOUR convienance, you're stuck having to do it the right way.
     
  10. :scholar: now now ... before you start gathering a mob for a personal attack on someone ...

    Let us review what >You did not see<

    My characters playstyle, his "choice of Role" if you will or can ...
    is to BE the best fletcher in alll of britania ...
    NOT rendered to imitating an npc that you can't be bothered to "touch base" with ...

    busy busy little archer are ye ?

    Ya know ... you CAN be replaced by a bot too ... you DO know that ... don'tcha?

    Though I doubt it will ever come to THAT ...
    never heard of You ... :lol:

    Marcus the Guard? I know him well ..
    you
    Who are you? :lol: :danceb:

    ROLE playing game ... gotcha!
     
  11. If repair deeds werent location specific, wouldnt some people just live in dungeons? They could just carry a bag of them with them and never leave to repair their equipment? Just thinking.
     
  12. pgib

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    You do not repair the item by yourself (you have no skill so you don't know how from a logical point of view) but you ask via the contract to the npc that has the right profession to do that.

    The reason why it feels weird has nothing to do with ignorance or lazyness, as rudely supposed by someone, but it is a consequence of the "relaxed logic" (to say the best) of many aspects of the game. We have positive karma demons, chivalrous vampires, murderers in towns, ten tons dragons that doesn't eat, pitchers that contains eight gallons of waters and so on. Most of these things are there because they make the game easier to play, hence the question.
     
  13. Viper09

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    Sounds like your attitude needs a repair.

    *hands Shiznit Bo'Bourbon an attitude repair deed*

    I regret to inform you that need to be in a particular location to use it though.
     
  14. Ancient Sosarian

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    Hail Sosarians,

    Where are our Lore Masters and Historians? Only when we pass along our Knowledge may our Posterity grow, rather than decline.

    Repair Deeds are magically infused documents, infused with the Crafters benefits and subject to the Crafters limits. Some crafting requires tools in proximity to the crafter ... such as loom, spinning wheel, forge, or anvil. Even as the Crafter requires proximity to these, so the user requires similar proximity.

    Some crafting, say inscription, requires only the presence of materials and ability, and may be done anywhere, no special proximity tools are required.

    All of this is as intended, by Design, and with a purpose. Rejoice that we have gained such knowledge that we are now even able to produce such Deeds to the betterment of us all.

    This then is the Reason. I Hope the knowing aids Thee.

    An SoS
     
  15. pgib

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    Your line of reasoning leads to the ability to use the named deeds wherever we can find the necessary tools but that's not clearly the case given that you can't redeem a blacksmith repair contract simply standing near an anvil and forge or a tailor one being in the vicinity of a loom or spinning wheel. You have to enter the appropriate shop.
     
  16. Lord Frodo

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    IMHO this is what the OP is whining about. He/She doesnt want to leave where he/she is camped out at to make repaires. Ummmmm now I wounder why this may be a problem. What type of player/playstyle wouldnt want to leave thier spot to make repairs because they might miss something?
     
  17. :lol: Beauty !!
     
  18. aarons6

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    this is the problem with the game tho, the other day i was killing the dragon renowned in the abyss to get the tinker legs.. i left for 5 minutes to repair my stuff and someone else grabbed the spot.. a few minutes later he was saying in chat that he was selling the tinker legs.. had i not left i might have gotten them.
     
  19. :scholar: *ahem* a moment please?

    Are you inferring that you suffered a "mob kill steal" ... because you were "un-prepared" ?
    hmmmm ...
    You went away, on your own, to repair, gather ... something
    and >did not< leave a "reserved for" "claimed by" "mine/signed" BOOK politely laying upon the nearby ground?


    ooooooo :thumbsup: that maybe the problem ... err ...

    Are any of these sandbox guidelines familiar to you?

    move your feet, lose your seat ?
    on the ground, up for grabs ?
    outta line, back of the line ?
    Early birds and worms? second mouse and cheese?

    ANY ding ding dings? :eyes:
     
  20. NBG

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    If memory serves, the whole reason for repair deed is to facilitate a player need. Handing over items to strangers for repair caused issues so was finding a crafter for repairs within a reasonable time frame.

    The requirement of being in craft shop location based on deed type was needed to prevent the possibility of camping Gauntlet in Doom indefinitely (without having to obtain another golden skull).

    Granted that no one even really camp Gauntlet anymore but the situation could be applied to the new mini champs/other PVM encounters. Camping a spawn and never need to leave would cause more confrontations of spawn rights.

    Spawn etiquette does not prevent people from jumping mini champs and removing repair deed requirement would just increase occurrences of confrontation for popular spawn spots due to indefinite camping.

    The debate of spawning etiquette is just another issue that can never be resolved. The need to leave for repairs will provide some buffer to mitigate frequency of conflict.

    There are various methods to extend the need for repairs.

    • Extra weapons/armor sets (should not be an issue with imbuing)
    • Self repair armor set (hard to put together but possible)
    • Ask a friend to come hold your spot
    • Bring a char on a secondary account
    • Use less repair intensive templates
    • Spend extra couple minutes to repair prior to departure
     
  21. Goldberg-Chessy

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    My bad. I thought it was you who just also recently whined about people farming essences & leaving the boss?
    You whined that the boss should drop more loot why?

    You basically said that you wanted to be able to just show up and immediately farm your essences without having to kill the boss?(which takes about 40 seconds if you know what you are doing)

    Its odd how the Dev's & approx 98% of the people playing UO realize that the game has never been about having EVERYTHING just handed to you asap with no effort.

    I bet your Playstation isnt even dusty yet is it son?
     
  22. Shiznit Bo'Bourbon

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    Oh man, that's totally relevant and important. Check it out though, I have a cunning and devious plan that also lets you live in a dungeon without ever leaving to repair your gear. It's called "Being Anything Besides Melee" and somehow it hasn't destroyed UO yet.

    If someone wanted to script PVM but didn't feel like writing it to recall and use a repair deed, they'd just put the character in a virtue suit with a self-repair weapon. Try again.

    So that people would kill them instead of leaving them to sit. Only a psycho looks at "Bosses need to drop something good so people will kill them" and instead sees "I want loot for free because I'm lazy, decay of society ha ha!" But hey, that's you.

    No, I said I wanted to show up and start the spawn without killing someone else's boss that they had left sitting there. If I had phrased the exact same problem as "LAZY PLAYERS LEAVING BOSSES BEHIND, OH HOW I HATE THEM" you would have come in and agreed that it was terrible. And you know it.

    By the way, yeah, let's look at your posts. This little attitude of being disgusted with humanity that you constantly try to cop? It sort of loses it's potency when you're "sad" and "disgusted" with people in every single random thread you ever post in.

    "You are a vet player/poster and you are ranting because there are a couple of bugs with a complete account overhaul? Get a life."

    "Everyone complaining about the timing of the update is just plain pathetic. Ohh wait, I am sure that you all feel entitled to royal personal treatment because you pay a lousy $13 a month?"

    "It is beyond sad how jealous & petty people can be. People are actually taking the time to cut & paste EA legal mumbo jumbo to try and make a point? Are you just frikkin kidding me?"

    "I find it extremely sad that fighting with fields has been so common for so long now that people just dont stop to think about how gimp it really is. [...] *shakes head*"

    You know what I think is "sad" champ? That you're such a stuck up little martyr who loves telling the world how "disgusted" he is with it that I could cull all of this from just the first page of your posts alone. This wasn't some big amount of research, this is just the stuff you've posted in the last few days.
     
  23. NBG

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    I love it when people leave the mini champs around. It just means that I get that extra chance to get an artifact drop. The restart timer is within reason.

    Rat mini champs are another story (its like killing a training dummy) and it is an issue that needs some looking into.
     
  24. Viper09

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    I'm quite astonished that the OP really seems to care so much about this that I am starting to wonder whether the OP really cares or just wants to argue with people. The answer has been given already. A repair deed is basically a work order to be fulfilled at the appropriate location with necessary tools. You yourself can't do it hence your need for the repair deed. Otherwise you'd just do it yourself wherever you are.

    If the true nature of this thread is really about the inconvenience of leaving a spawn worrying about other taking your spot then stop with this unnecessary cloak and start your thread over with the real subject and put an end to this ridiculous facade of an argument.
     
  25. G.v.P

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    Eh, two out of the three people Shiznit quoted are known trolls. Larisa isn't one of them. At least Goldberg complains about stuff in paragraph form. Then there's Fayled, probably the most ignored poster on Stratics.

    Anyway, back to topic, the OP seriously has to be lazy as hell if recalling to Luna is too much to ask, which attracts trolls. Yep. Goldberg and Fayled are on the right track. Not only that but if you use a repair you probably bought it from Luna. Wow. Convenience is nice, but come on, lol.

    The main reason repairs require shops is because if they didn't require shops then scripters would just script farm the gauntlet and other places. Repairing is the only reason for a group to stop farming an area, and in an MMO you need reasons for people to stop what they're doing to artificially allow everyone a take at the same content. Plus, the economy is **** enough as it is.

    Just recall. Again. It really isn't an inconvenience. Buy a mouse with an extra button and use a double-click function if it's too hard to open a runebook. Go to Luna. Bam, you're done. Take a shower to rinse the finger-workout stank off. Then circle the date on your calendar and fight **** until you have to go through the cycle again.
     
  26. G.v.P

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    Trolls be trollin' ;P
     
  27. Barry Gibb

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    Is there a "good" reason that repair deeds should act differently? People have provided possible reasons as to why the deeds need to be used in shops (the goodness being subjective to ones views).

    It is time to put up some ideas to support the original statement, for this to be a constructive arguement.

    Personally I have never had a problem with breakage in the field. Just check the condition before you go out. NBG points out some excellent ways to extend your outing, but I would add two more to the list:
    • Bring a POF with you
    • Cooperate with someone who shows up to "steal your spot"

    Stayin Alive,

    BG
     
  28. Petra Fyde

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    The question in the OP has been answered

    The rest of the thread has been declared a

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