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Is there really any point in fishing orders ??

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  1. popps

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    After spending countless time on fishing orders I have come to the staggering conclusion that, as they have been designed, perhaps there is not much point in doing fishing orders once one has got the 120 powerscroll so much seeked.

    Why do I say this ?

    Well, the main point I can see in fishing orders, other than powerscrolls, is the bait charges.

    Why would one want the bait charges ?

    To increase chances to fish up rare fish.

    And why would one want rare fish ? To make rare fish steaks needed for magic pies.

    Now, all that cleared out, there are a few things to be considered.

    # 1
    Baits only marginally increase the chance at fishing up a rare fish as compared to fishing them without using baits. That is, rare fish can be fished up just fine by a skilled fisherman using no baits.

    # 2
    Hunting Pirates also is a source, and a funnier one, to gather rare fish steaks as often like 50 of them come among the loot.

    So, if rare fish baits are all there is with fishing orders after one has gotten a 120 fishing PS, I do not see much point at all in doing fishing orders to seek for rare fish baits....

    Perhaps it might be advisable to change something in fishing orders so that also after getting a 120 PS one might want to leep doing fishing orders ?

    Just a thought....
     
  2. GalenKnighthawke

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    Filling fishing orders gets you a rare troll slaying katana.

    -Galen's player
     
  3. popps

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    I see, now trying to discuss the bettering of the game we play brings home these replies ?

    Perhaps it would help more discussing the issue I am raising up offering one's own point of view ?

    At least, if it makes sense to see Ultima Online improved and made a better game to play....
     
  4. Nimuaq

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    They're different, those fish steaks cannot be used to bake magical fish pies, they're regular cooked fish steaks with only different names.

    But yes, we're doing these quests for the 120 fishing ps. Baits barely increase your chance to catch a rare fish and the books can be sold to the provisioner npcs for 7 gp.
     
  5. popps

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    Then it would be advisable to make some design changes to fishing orders and fishing in general so as to keep having fishing orders appealing to fishermen even after they get their 120 fishing powerscroll ?
     
  6. wanderer1origin

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    wouldnt it be more to keep getting orders to sell scrolls to others
     
  7. Martyna Zmuir

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    Isn't this like the 4th thread you've started on this topic since HS came out?

    Did you forget the last three?
     
  8. Kiminality

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    Is there really any point in the Doom Gauntlet?
    Is there really any point in Peerless encounters?
    Is there really any point in any PvM?
    Is there really any point in Champ Spawns?
    Is there really any point in Crafting Skills?
    Is there really any point in playing the game at all?

    Just because you can't see a reason for continuing the quests after you've got a 120 for yourself, doesn't mean there isn't one. Here's a hint:
    People with less tenacity will still be wanting 120s after you've got yours.

    The same is true for anything where you set yourself an end goal - when you reach that goal, the road is over for you.
    That doesn't mean the design needs changing (even though that is your current "thing" that most of your posts are angling towards), that means that you need to either accept that the journey is over, or come up with a new journey.
     
  9. GalenKnighthawke

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    I have the impression that your posts are not sincere.

    -Galen's player
     
  10. BluDjinn

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    I agree if I ever get my hands on a 120 Fishing scroll !


    I will dump any orders overboard and never do another Fishmonger Quest!




    :party:
     
  11. Sevin0oo0

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    So I guess his original question has no point? What if someone asked you the same thing in game? How do you know he's not helping ones less experienced? How do you get experienced - one way is by asking questions, I'd bet we were All noobs at one time and have asked a Ton of questions in our past.
    wtf people?
     
  12. Flutter

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    It's a game. If you don't enjoy it don't do it.
    I realize you had this goal of making big bucks selling powerscrolls with some sort of effort to be the only guy with them but you're not and now you're upset so you are complaining on UHALL about it.

    Amusing since you were just fine with the way it was working until you found out there are quite a few people on your home shard who already had scrolls higher than yours. Such a shame.
     
  13. Petra Fyde

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    I'm not sure if I can answer that without being judged to have broken RoC but I'll try.

    If someone asked me this question in game I would answer it patiently the first time, and even the second and third time, but when someone asks me the same question 8 or 9 times I begin to lose patience.

    Also, while I happily answer all genuine questions, I begin to lose patience if I get the impression that someone is inventing questions for the sole purpose of creating an artificial discussion rather than that he actually wants an answer to the question asked.
     
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    Perhaps I did not word my post correctly, if so, I apologize for that.

    I was not making a case for myself, but for fishermen in general.

    That is, I am well aware that once I get my 120 fishing PS there will still be others who will have not yet gotten it, and thus, will need to keep doing fishing orders to get their 120 fishing PS.

    My point was directed at all those fishermen who, once obtained their 120 fishing PS, might find very little reasons to keep doing fishing orders.

    Does this mean that we have a game mechanic whose use is in the endt only to administer fishing PS ? Then why do we have fishing baits in the first place if I may ask and they even take up most of the rewards awarded with fishing orders ?

    Lastly, what would be wrong on earth to make fishing orders be appealing also after a fisherman gets a 120 fishing PS ?

    Blacksmithying powerscrolls are given through blacksmithying Bulk Order Deeds just like Tailoring Powerscrolls are given through tailoring Bulk Order Deeds.

    It is my understanding that Blacksmithying and Tailoring Bulk Order Deeds do not loose appeal and interest to Blacksmiths and Tailors after they get their 120 Blacksmithying or 120 Tailoring Powerscrolls. The respective Bulk Order Deeds Orders keep their appeal with those professions well past that. Why can't this also be for fishing with fishing orders if I may ask ??

    Is it something so terribly wrong to wish the game be bettered in any of its given aspect ?

    So wrong that a player had better not even discuss the merit of it to avoid being jumped at ??

    Really ??
     
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    Petra, the real answer that is needed, as I see it, is not from players but from those who decide how the game has to play out, the Designers.

    I am well aware that changes need time and resources, but at the very least, and this is not limited to one issue with the game but whenever a player or a group of players raise an issue with the game, it would help players to hear that the problem has been acknowledged and there is at least the will to make appropriate changes to that given dynamic as soon as resources and time will allow for it to happen.

    It is the silence which makes a player wonder whether the issue has been received or not, whether it finds the developers in agreement or not.

    The lack of knowledge of where the developers place themselves on any given issue about the game that players lament, as I see it personally, puts players in a wondering situation without them knowing what to think about that given issue with the game and if it will ever be changed for the better.

    And so, questions keep popping up from time to time on that given one issue about the game.

    As I see it, if the Developers finally said their point of view over issues that players lament in the game, this one about fishing but many others that there may be just as well, this would cut further asking a great deal because players will know once and for all, the developers' thinking about that given issue and, hopefully, that it is only a matter of time before appropriate changes are made to whatever is not working well in the game they play.

    Is it too much to ask to have more interaction with the developers and know where they stand as in regards to issues that players raise with the game that they play ?

    Petra, for how long now has that issue with the point value of crabs and lobsters been on the table ?
    Weeks ? Months ?

    We still have no idea whether or not the Developers have acknowledged that there is or not a problem with that.

    Mind you, this is not about asking an instant fix, this is asking at least that they have acknowledged that there is a problem and with time a fix will come when needed.

    We are in the dark, we have no clue because we hear very little from them.

    How can you condemn the further asking when infact it is the prolonged silence and leaving players in the dark over the questions they ask about things they feel do not work in the game which is the real issue here, IMHO ??
     
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    Stop trying to change things that aren't broken Popps.
    There's a lot of people who play this game who enjoy the quests the way they are.
    Stop doing things that you don't enjoy. If you're going to complain about it on UHALL maybe you should do something else and leave everyone else alone.

    Just because you think it would be "better" some other way doesn't mean anyone else does. Just because you want it doesn't mean anyone else does.
    You saying it is "better" doesn't make it so.
     
  17. Petra Fyde

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    Are you familiar with the term 'nagging'? It relates to asking the same question too frequently in too short a time period. It annoys the heck out of just about everyone.

    Please at least wait until we have seen the promised 'state of the game' video that is due shortly before raising this again.

    Also understand that there is no developer with the express task of reading these boards daily and answering questions on them. Time spent reading and posting here is time taken away from developing, when there is a publish nearing completion they quite simply don't have the time to 'chat' to us.
    Keep an eye on the 'what's going on' box at the bottom of this page: http://vboards.stratics.com/ and save your posts for when you see that we have Mythic staff in house.
     
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    Differnt people have different opinions, ain't it so ?

    And what is the purpose of "discussion" Forums if not confront one's own opinion about the Forum discussion topic with those of others ?

    So, I see nothing wrong with anyone bringing up their opinion about issues that are pertaining to the discussion Forum.

    That said, the point is not whether one's own opinion is more true than anyone elses, the point is about getting to know what is actually the thinking about that given issue of those who decide how the game should be played, the Developers.

    Whether I am right or not of something being broken or that it could be bettered anyhow, it is the Developers who have the final saying whether "they" think anything is or not broken and whether it should or not be changed in whatever other way and given time.

    All I am asking, is to have more interaction with the player base and, whenever players bring up issues about the game, let players know what they think about those issues so that the discussion can finally settle.

    For example, I may think that fishing orders are broken and not to the purpose of fishermen as they are. If the Developers let us know that everything is fine and dandy for them and that nothing will be changed, period, I might be upset and not like it but I will need to live with that.

    I would imagine that there may be somewhere a "to do" list, given time and resources. How about letting players know what is in that list ? This alone could perhaps cut many repeated discussions. Players know that the issue they have at heart will eventually be taken care of and that it only is a matter of time and resources, not of decisions still to be taken about it.

    It is the silence over issues brought up by players which I find disheartening.
     
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    That is a good proposition which I can possibly do an effort to meet.

    This is unfortunate.
    If Ultima Online, from what I heard, is still one of the few games that brings home a profit, the least I could expect from the Company that benefits from that profit would be to cherish the player base that through their subscriptions ensures that those profits keep coming.

    Constantly and daily interacting with the players on Discussion Forums about the game is one of the ways, perhaps one of the most important ways that I can think of, to cherish all those players who help making sure, from what I heard, that the game is still one of the few games that brings home a profit.

    Players are doing their part ensuring profits to the game, is it too much to ask some interaction to know more about what is going on with the game we do our best to make sure it brings a profit to the Company that owns it ?
     
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    Whenever that happens (Mythic staff in house), does their name show highlighted (like in red or some other way that it shows) within all of the other names ?

    By the way, am I wrong or it is my impression that Stratics' mods do not show in the "what's going on" box list of current names on (for example, you do not show as on and yet I assume that you are on since you are replying...) ?
     
  21. Petra Fyde

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    No, they don't show red, but the _Mythic on their names is not too hard to spot.

    In your 'usercp' under 'edit options' there is an option to 'use invisible mode'. I use it.
    I used to be always visible, but I found that a few posters who delight in stirring up trouble would deliberately wait for me to go off line before stirring the pot. While I'm invis such posters can never be sure whether I'm truly offline or not.
     
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    Unless this is a feature specific for Stratics' mods, I assume then that also Mythic employees can browse the Forums using that invisible mode ?

    If so, then, not seeing their names in that list does not ensure that they are not reading the Forums anyways....
     
  23. Harlequin

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    Correct. Also, they can simply browse the forums without logging in.

    However, when you do see their names, it means that they are really online. If it really means that much to you, fire off your questions at these times. To go further, add a pm to the dev with a link to your thread and ask if they can offer a comment on your thread.
     
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    Popps, you've made your views on fishing clear. I would be amazed if the dev team haven't seen them. Repeating yourself constantly in new threads and those started by others just comes over as nagging. A lot of posters just skim over posts when a poster is clearly promoting their current "cause" at every given opportunity. And in many cases your posts are fairly negative in tone. That doesn't help you get others on your side. If posters think you always complain or that you troll, some won't even open your threads up.

    The devs look around these forums and they're certainly aware of your views on fishing. We all are. Let's see what they say in their next few updates and whether any fixes are on the horizon. Because while you're getting frustrated with fishing, they could be fixing code. Take a break from the fishing quests and see what happens. Give them credit for reading the forums and trying to make a game we enjoy. Allow them time to get on with that work and remember that they have more than HS content to work on.

    Also, take a wee look at Petra's thread about Rule B. It is really easy to find faults and be negative, but remember that posters don't come to UHall to be depressed. Try and think of positive things to post as well as negatives. If you're still playing UO despite all the complaints you raise, there must be something you like in the experience. Yet on the forums it's hard to believe you enjoy UO from the way you post :)

    I'd suggest you take a break from fishing and try something you do enjoy for a bit and try getting yourself into a more positive frame of mind about the game.

    Wenchy
     
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    THERE IS SO EASY A FIX!!!!!!

    make a mosaic for the house deco in a 4x4 image and break it up into 16 squares. give it as random rewards along with power scrolls and bait.

    now you have something to work for and might have to trade around for also.

    Lorddog
     
  26. Petra Fyde

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    nice! Scalis image, a bit like the Medusa tile?
     
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    The idea is nice and actually, it does not need to be only 1 mosaic picture, it could be more than one. What I think, though, is that they should mostly be sea related images.

    Like a seahorse, or a nice jelly fish, or a ships battle, whatever, but mostly sea related.
    There can be some other image not sea related but they should be a minority.

    Then players could trade their tiles among them to complete the mosaic they prefer.


    Regardless, though, something could also be done to make baits more appealing as rewards.

    How ?

    First reducing the chances to fish rare fish without using them (hence one would be kinda forced to have to use baits to reasonably get rare fish..) and perhaps also raising the chances to catch rare fish using baits.

    Second, making magic pies more appealing to players like allowing them to stack, be able to combine their bonuses eating more of them like I eat 1 pie I get 5 minutes boost, I eat 6 pies I get 30 minutes boost....

    Also, I have not clear whether rare fish steaks coming from pirates' loot can be used for magic pies but if they can, they should be taken out or their number greatly reduced.

    Rare fish steaks to make magic pies should only come from rare fish and rare fish should only be possible to catch using rare fish baits which come as rewards from fishing orders.
     
  28. Gowron

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    Popps,

    I have the 120 scroll, ate it, and I am continuing to do the fishmonger quests. Reasons, you might ask? Well, here goes...

    1. I'm just over 112 in skill, so it gives me something to work towards while gaining.
    2. During the efforts to fill the scrolls, I build up my MiB, nets, and tmaps to do later.
    3. Since others are still working towards obtaining the scrolls, if I get one, there's some money to be made even if I offer them at a modest price.

    I think I can safely say, that even after obtaining 120 fishing skill, I will probably still do the quests for the reasons listed above even if number 3 becomes invalid.

    I think you've asked the questions, expressed your displeasure, and outright complained enough times. At this point, you are no longer arguing for the betterment of the game or other fishers. You are merely arguing for your own benefits, and it is getting old. You have offered nothing new to the discussion with this, and someone please lock it. The horse is dead, it's been beaten enough, and, quite frankly, decomposition has already set in.
     
  29. Sevin0oo0

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    I don't have HS, but after rereading this thread it makes me wonder now too:
    So the main part of fishing is to get scrolls for Others, like a mule skill? that sounds pretty boring to me. It's worse than watching a movie, and the "ending" has been cut off - then to start watching it again? Not

    With Other skills,for having 120 points, you get a lowered failure rate, better attack 'something' (crafting,fighting,spells,'something'). pretty much every skill that goes to 120 has versatility in other aspects of the game. People get their scroll and they can use that skill, even a Tinker can go kill things - Fisher? can't throw a flounder, or stab w/ a 'sword' fish. Too limited, imo.

    And I think that was the whole point of this thread, and seems it was answered - What can you do you do with those 120pts you just worked your butt off for? pretty much NOTHING. When the novelty wears off, it'll die - but they've brought back Other dead(worthless) skills and given additional purpose to still more, maybe you'll get the "ending" to your purchase at a later date. Threads like this only serve to re-enforce people's decisions who didn't buy the booster and may make others wonder if they did.
    This isn't the OP's fault, this is a development issue.
     
  30. Petra Fyde

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    What did we fish for before?
    For pearls and mibs and maybe delicate scales? Those are still there, and I've got more pearls now than I ever had before - getting them wasn't in the least painful or frustrating because I was actually fishing for quests when I got them.
    Fishing is much more interesting than it used to be, there's a variety of fish, they have a use beyond training poisoning.
    I fish up mibs, some of them contain treasure maps - I dig the maps and some of the chests contain mibs. I go fishing for specific rare fish that can be made into pies that I find useful (mostly holy mackeral) Quests are only a small part of fishing. Not to mention ship combat.
     
  31. so people have a way to make gold with low risk game-play.
     
  32. Now now Gowron ... Just before the bolded part ... is where YOU should have politely stepped off .. see? YOU have satisfied YOUR questions and need for opinion ... YOU are "full" and sated ... no need to "seal the well" ... Others may need some quenching at some future date ... and the extremely deep and exhaustively detailed constructions that Popps creates ... well ... there they are for review.

    IFF a dev say, at some future date ... wanted to construct a fully detailed and debated aspect of some system, take "fishing" for one instance ...
    Popps is the name he should seek out.
    Search: Popps / Fishing *click click whir bing!*
    A mountain of pre selected and categorized DATA pops out for "Mining" ... and a wealth of information can then be sorted to fit HIS(her) needs ...

    but but but ... the devs already HAVE that data ...
    heh!

    what makes you assume THAT?

    See?

    :lol: besides ... popps uses standard formatting/punctuation AND for all of his persitence ...
    remains Quite polite and non:fight:combative ...
    Especially when compared to some of the other number crunchers ...
    And/Or the "deep ethics divers".

    Ever go to a doctors office that has a waiting area with "reading material"?
    Do you take it upon yourself ... to discard the out of date and dogeared copies?

    Same thing.

    yw. :danceb:
     
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    I agree, I would not be fishing, and when I say fishing I mean only fishing for the past weeks with my in game time, aside from a few participations here and there at some invaded towns...., if I was not liking to fish.

    Nonetheless, let's say, I am convinced that the fishing orders could do well, perhaps much better, with some "fine tuning" and adjustments.........
     
  34. Just a thought Pops... I told you that when you had just a thought of making it easier to get the 120 powerscroll. That 120 would be without value in the long run.


    Dang man do you even recall things you post.

    To answer you there is no point. You won fishing. You won. CHEER. :thumbup:
    You achieved the max prize of fishing. 120... if you got there yet. Now move along to the next addition that really has no purpose.

    Join me for exploration and adventure changes and none of these pretty prize package crap UO turned into.

    PS I told you to wait for the 120 scrolls.
     

  35. You like being jumped at or you would change. That being said. 120 has merit. You just don't like it. It opens you to filling bulk orders more easily.

    Be honest... youd like to have 120 fishing and be able to fish up some insane arty.

    You know the game... that is why your posts draw so much fire. What did you think would happen?

    Argh.
     
  36. I would like to buy you a beer. Well written.
     
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    And the pops fishing saga... draws to a close.
     
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    I guess different players play the game for different reasons or goals.

    I do not play it to win nothing. To me, Ultima Online is like a virtual world where I have my virtual daily life to evade my real life with its virtual chores, errands, needs.

    So, I do not play fishing orders to win the top prize and then be done with them, I fish and train up my skill in the process getting better and enjoy fishing orders as part of it.

    Eventually, when I reach the highest level I can, I'd like to still be able to keep finding reasons to deliver fishing orders to fish mongers and so enjoy doing them.

    Is this too much to ask, I wonder ?
     
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    How so if I may ask ?

    To my knowledge, being a Legendary fisherman all it does is raise the chances a little to fish up rare fish.

    Rare fish are not used in fishing orders. They are only used for magic pies (their steaks) or to make trophies.

    Being a Legendary fisherman, as I understand, does not stop fishing up footware, neither does it reduce fishing nothing errors or neither does it increase fishing up named crabs or named lobsters.

    That is, as I understand, becoming a Legendary fisherman helps in no way to fill up fishing orders more easily.

    And I do not even know why we are talking about the benefits of legendary fishing. This thread is not about any level skill of fishing, included legendary.

    This thread is merely about fishing orders and the way they work and the rewards they bring in. Whatever fishing skill level, as I see it, is not on topic with what is being discussed in this thread.
     
  40. Yes you do. If you didnt youd be fine with sandals. Come on.

    Your post should have read like this.

    Well guys I maxed fishing. It would be nice if there were more items and rewards you could get from it.

    Man Pops.... learn to be honest with yourself and get to the point.

    If you would have written what I just wrote. People would say...

    Yeah once you max something or get to 120... there sometimes isn't much ,ore then just getting there.

    Ah well...
     
  41. I dont understand you pops, if you not fishing for top prize or prizes what are you complaining about. See you previous post to me. I don't really get why you are fishing then.

    JUST SAY IT.

    I AM MAD I DONT GET MORE ITEMS FROM FISHING.

    You will feel better.

    120 opens you to bigger orders, if I am not mistaken as you get to 105, 110 etc. Maybe I am wrong. I dont care.

    At 120 you get rare fish higher chances. Mount the fish, sell the fish, collect the fish... the rare ones. Use you characture in a different way...

    Take what your 120 fisherman collects and trade it. Seriously, the rewards you gripe about and want but say you dont want dont have to be attached to doing the damn orders.

    Just take your excess, sell it, trade it... use it interactively.
     
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    Troll slaying katana ftw.

    -Galen's player
     
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  44. Ah! there's your "problem"
    REAL "legendary fishermen" ALSO still work in >their environment< ...
    and have snags, snapped lines, broken gear, leaky boats, "bad luck", shiver in the cold, get caught in storms, lose favor with their friends and wifes, get drunk, fall down, catch the flu ...

    What is legendary about them is: they PERSIST in enjoying "the challenge" IN SPITE of the normal discomforts/disappointments.
    there they go ...
    looking at every puddle ... wondering what line/hook/net >might< pull whatever MIGHT be within ...

    I achieved "Legendary" status (without a title I might point out) for my "skills"(persistence) in working the ants for Pet summoning balls & fungus ...
    A goodly portion of a solid year I spent underground, to the point where I squinted in the darkness of dawn and twilight(too bright) and My skin paled(significantly) due to the lack of the unseen sun's tanning effects.
    thing is ... if you wanted a freshly farmed and fully charged Summoning Ball ... >I< was the one to find at Brit Bank, one price(a fair price), no haggle, no scam, no problem with guilds or factions or personalities ... Freshly farmed and fully charged Pet Summoning balls ... IF I was there ... you could get one.
    And IF I wasn't there ...it was a fair and accurate guess that I was in the tunnels ... getting another one ... and would soon return.
    :thumbsup: That sir ... is legendary.

    On the other side of the legendary coin ...

    Leroy Jenkins IS Legendary ...

    :scholar: ipso facto resolved!
     
  45. Flutter

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    OMG WHAT AM I GOING TO DO ONCE I GET ALL ITEMS FROM EVERYTHING IN THE GAME. THERE WILL BE NOTHING LEFT TO DO!!!!
    OMG THE SKY IS FALLING. ROUND UP THE DEV TEAM THERE NEEDS TO BE MORE STUFF FOR ME TO GET OMG IM TOO CLOSE TO THE END GAME!!!!
    HELP!
    halp..
    ha...lp
     
  46. Aboo

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    I was so excited because I got my very first 105 fishing scroll yesterday! Getting a 120 scroll is only a dream for me.
     
  47. I believe you have a forum to put that upon(up on?)
    I would add, a LOT of the one's posting here of late ARE at "their end game"

    least wise ... they haven't realized that they have ended up at the end of their wits re: "Whats next" ..

    I take it you are snow bound too?
    :lol:
    If not ... you certainly seem to have caught the cabin fever virus that IS ALSO showing signs round'bouts ... :eyes:

    *washes hands*


    *dances* :danceb: aerobics! :danceb: aerobics!
     
  48. Petra Fyde

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    Let's put this discussion on 'hold' for a while. It's getting a little too heated.
     
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