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Just heard through the grapevine....

Discussion in 'UHall' started by Tangled Metal, Feb 13, 2010.

  1. Tangled Metal

    Tangled Metal Lore Master
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    I just heard through the grapevine that a player who was unruly and rude and whiney the other night at a Pacific event was rewarded for being rude and unruly and whiney!

    This character was rewarded with a Sash from Mesanna. So, it looke like it pays to be a cry-baby if you do not get an Even Item!

    This character was whining about how it was unfair that he didn't get an item. There were only 5 or 6 items that dropped that night and 50+ people at the event.

    I for one am a little upset that a player was given something because he was a bad sport. It does not make much sense. And today at the Pacific VDay event he was showing off his shiny new sash.

    I am not crying or whining about this, but I just thought I'd mention it to all of you who go to events and don't get something. Cry loud enough and perhaps you can get a rare item for nothing too. I choose to fight and die for my items.
     
  2. Beastmaster

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    You thought this was news here?

    Heck where do you think all the nerfs come from?

    The whiningest folks in UO are founding members here.
     
  3. Tangled Metal

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    LOL! True that! I was just informed of this. I was there and saw the little crybaby and I was just shocked that they gave him a Unique items cause he pitched a fit.
     
  4. Lord Frodo

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    So you have 50+ players at an event and your EM has 5 rewards total, nice of your EM to forget all the other players. If a special reward is to be had it should be locked down at the EMs house. EMs do not need to make uber rares that most people post here to just to sell them. This is what happened the last time we had EMs. Go to the event for fun and if there is a reward, then reward all with the same thing and stop making uber rares.
     
  5. Berethrain

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    The problem is people expecting a reward at all.
     
  6. Ezekiel Zane

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    "I helped kill -> insert any mob here <-, and all I got was this stinkin T-shirt"


    When they give out unique items for events, that's about all I'd like to see given out. Make sure there's enough for everyone. That is all.
     
  7. Tangled Metal

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    I'm cool with that. Event items now are rare to have any mods on it, just mostly renamed stuff. I like the items too but I can live without them. I am just laughing cause one whiner got something because he whined loudly. The guy was rude and obnoxious and he got a prize for it. The rest of us fought and died a lot and got very little. So perhaps there needs to be further review of how the EMs are doing things.
     
  8. Llwyd

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    There are shirts in the game that say "Acquired by Begging". Perhaps the EMs can have special shirts to give out that say, "Acquired by Whining".
     
  9. Berethrain

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    I think that would backfire as most people would start whining to get the new shirt.
     
  10. popps

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    The real problem, at least as I see it, is that this game has become way, but really way too much focused on items.

    Everything seems, at least to my eyes, one way or the other to revolve around "worth" of items.

    At least to me, it is depressing........

    Back in the day Ultima Online was not like this, not at all.
     
  11. Llwyd

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    Not if they were handed to everyone remotely close to the event.

    On the other hand, you are probably correct... either way, the best behaved participants would be penalized. Nix the idea.
     
  12. Berethrain

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    What do you think would happen at the next event?
     
  13. Llwyd

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    As I just said, Nix the idea.
     
  14. Berethrain

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    Sorry, I replied before I saw the edit.


    Regards
     
  15. canary

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    If this is true, it would make me sad, especially if its from Mesanna herself. I see many people at events who are polite, follow the rules and help people and have nothing to show for it. Not that, imo, items make the events, but it would be 'rewarding' bad behavior.
     
  16. Gelf

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    This is fairly typical of the events i've been too, seen one guy get 2 cloaks of stealth this way. i'm assuming they must be friends as alot of the stuff they do is a violation of the rules(cussing, name calling,and including saying things that would normally get ur account banned).
     
  17. GarthGrey

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    Anyone who knew EMs would continue the same old tired favoritism, would not be surprised by this....
     
  18. Tangled Metal

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    So, tonight we had an EM run event that was PvP driven. it was supposed to be 15 vs 15. Only 6 of "the good guys" showed up. So it ended up being 15 vs 6. The outcome was as expected. The 6 lost, and lost fast. It was the very worst run event I have ever seen. I lost a lot of insurance money. I died a lot and I plan to do it again the next time.

    There is an imbalance and those that fight hard and die are often times not rewarded for their efforts. It is just a game. But it is the best game I have ever played.
     
  19. LordDrago

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    I say if you whine about wanting an item at an EM event, then you should get it...BUT....you must pick up the item in fel at a predetermined and published date and time.


    But seriously, there was an event where robes with (i think) +5 stealth on them, that were handed out over the course of days 1 per character. I htink iof anything is given out to players, it shuld be for everybody or nobody.
     
  20. Lyconis

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    meh, when I see a guy wearing a shirt at walmart that says something stupid on it I do not envy them. I do not envy the owner of an I am whiner sash. The sash should have a mod added to it -10 int.

    If I was an EM and gave out an I am stupid sash and saw someone wearing it with pride I'd be ROFLing a lot. Though I feel more players have earned these types of items this guy took the cake.
     
  21. sablestorm

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    Favoritism? What a dumb comment. The guy was whining and criticizing the EMs, pulling a holier-than-thou "I use to be a counsellor so I know best" sort of attitude. He wasn't their favorite, I suspect he was rather disliked by them, but they were very professional. No so me. I was criticizing everything the guy said and he asked Mesanna to have a private conversation with him so he wouldn't be criticized anymore.
     
  22. Welcome to Wal-Mart...we have the same policy of "give the customer what he wants to shut him up"
     
  23. Jhym

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    Couldn't care less. Who gets what doesn't matter to me; if I get something, great, if not, whoopie.

    Which is the way it should be for anyone who isn't jealous or envious of others.

    hmmmm....
     
  24. Restroom Cowboy

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    if i didn't know any better i would say you are acting no better than they. if your post could shed a tear i doubt it would be legible in the slightest.

    if that sounds harsh...tough shee...
     
  25. Aran

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    My name is RowanElizabeth and I'm upset that someone got something I didn't, or that I had to work for. *stamps foot*
     
  26. Arcus

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    Male these items bind to the player.
     
  27. Restroom Cowboy

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    why? barter...trade...all vital parts of UO. the great part about UO is the diversity right? no reason to cut off the foot if the toe hurts...
     
  28. Fink

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    On Oceania we had "No Trade / No Drop" items awarded a few years back.

    They seemed like a good idea to most people except those who traded event items, or displayed them in museums.
     
  29. It was a fairly ridiculous temper tantrum though, you must admit. If I didn't get an item that night, it would've just made me try harder next time.

    I personally like the fact that there was such limited items. Why should they make items in abundance?? They will end up on the floor or in trash barrel like this years valentine gifts. Or hoarded by the thousands in chests locked down for the next few years. It's like saying the rare xmas boxes should be given out fairly and equally.

    I was laughing my ass off though when Messanna asked him if she should make the whiner a shirt that reads" I got PWNED at the event on pacific and all I got was this t-shirt"

    To make matters worse... Cyno immediately made this... LOL

    [​IMG]
     
  30. Flora Green

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    Maybe it wasn't favoritism in this instance, but it certainly does exist elsewhere.
     
  31. Tinsil

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    It's annoying when people do this garbage, and then they only end up selling it on here for 100m anyways..

    Sigh.
     
  32. Tangled Metal

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    For those of you who just don't get what I am saying let me just say one last thing. I don't care if someone gets and item from an event. I don't care if I don't get an item from an event. I was kind of pissed off that someone got an item OUTSIDE of an event because they threw a fit and yelled at the EM and Mesanna long enough and threatened loud enough to have an item made just for them to shut them up. That is NOT the in spirit of the game!

    I go to many events across many shards because I like the teamwork and the fiction. Events are one of the few times that many people all have the same goals and they work together. At least that is my experience. Flame me all you want, but anyone who flames what I am trying to say on this thread does not understand what I am saying. Earn the item or not. Get an item or not. But don't cry your way to an item!
     
  33. canary

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    That is kinda why I'm disappointed. Where some ppl see 'I would never wear that!', others see 'I can see this idiot being able to sell a 1 of a kind sash for 100 mil'. The events shouldn't be about rewards, but neither should they ESPECIALLY be about rewarding bad behavior in game.

    It was a bad idea for Mesanna to do this (if it indeed happened). He shoulda just been squelched... or, like one poster stated, had the sash perm affixed to him with a -10 intelligence.
     
  34. Evlar

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    Ditto I'm afraid.

    Events, be they roleplaying or otherwise, but are part of a story arc, should have no need to revolve around the handing out of items.

    Entirely the saddest aspect is that the majority of these items end up as something else to sell. I would rather they ended up in the ownership of those who participate in events for the fun of it, that would likely display them for everyone to see, being part of the game lore.

    Far too much emphasis is placed upon items... far more so than skills, than good gameplay, or roleplay and lore for those who desire it.
     
  35. Raconteur

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    Now thats an idea!

    Youre complaining of one whinny person....hell come to Atlantic where there are at least 50 per event. It has got so bad here that I havent even tried doing an event since the stealth robe one.
     
  36. Artemyth

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    That was a really bad idea. Giving in to pressure from an event attendee? And rewarding him so he'd be quiet? That's what it seems like. Why this shard? Why not reward all the whiners on other shards too? I slap kids on the hand when they get greedy. I don't give them candy.

    To fix this, I can see them giving out the items en masse now, but that's not the point. In fact it defeats the point. They shouldn't have given in, in the first place. People who complain will always be noticed more than those who are content... and because of that, they (the people in charge) do stupid stuff to appease those complainers that in effect punishes those who shouldn't be. The dog who barks the loudest will be the one who gets the bone. I've seen it happen on more than one instance with the EMs and with UO in general.

    I hop around the shards a lot just like the OP does, and yeah, I've seen a lot of whiners... so this one gets rewarded? Bah. Things that bother me with EMs include not only this instance, but with how they're giving items as well as with the incredible frequency of which they give out items. That, and some EMs on various shards(this shards included) don't stick to roleplaying... they'll mention stuff that is out of character. To me, that might explain why I'm not at all as absorbed by events as I used to be. But that's just my thought. And we all have our own thoughts... mine don't necessarily reflect yours. But as far as this guy and his sash given by the head of the EM program because he was whining? It doesn't give a very good message.

    I'm upset with something! Reward me!
     
  37. sablestorm

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    And other EMs have been entirely fair. What does it mean? Oh, EMs are people with their own individual natures. How novel!

    If you have specific instances of EMs showing favoritism, then deal with those. Don't make broad (and particularly inaccurate in this case) sweeping statements. It doesn't solve anything. It just makes it all worse.
     
  38. I don't think half the ppl that post here bother to read ANYTHING. The O.P. is not crying about NOT getting a reward them-self. They are talk about GIVING a reward to someone that DID NOT win/grab/get said item in the way the OTHER ppl in the event did , but COMPLAINED till they were handed one just to stop them from complaining more. I think that is wrong.
    A fair chance is about all i personally expect and desire. Being handed over a prize afterward to the undeserving should be grounds to remove the event mod and replace them with someone with an iron will to withstand the tidal-wave of crocodile tears for the LOSERS.
     
  39. GarthGrey

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    Thank you for reading and actually understanding what I had said. :)
     
  40. GarthGrey

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    It's broad sweeping because it's broad existing...don't kid yourself..EMs should never be allowed to create/use icq/vent type accounts, but they do...Favoritism still exists within the EM program, wake up and smell the Breakfast Blend..
     
  41. Yup. Sure does.
     
  42. Mook Chessy

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    who gave us all these items....UO!
     
  43. Flora Green

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    I didn't do any of things. Thanks though. However, if you want to live with your head partly in the sand, go ahead.

    I'll also add that I don't participate in EM events 1) I have zero interest 2) past instances where I did and I saw *wait for it* favoritism or as in the case mainly discussed in this thread, rewarding bad behavior. And I also agree this is a result of how item based UO has become.
     
  44. Heard it through the grapevine
    Not much longer would you be mine
    Yeah I heard it through the grapvine
    Just had to come here and whine.

    Sounds like EMs got a sense of humor. I seem to recall a similar incident long ago. The players change but the game remains
     
  45. Artemyth

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    EMs have Vent accounts??? Well the good thing is that we can actually TALK to EMs now, would you prefer something different? I remember when we were lucky to talk to one. Now we can email them or go on the forums and they can actually respond whenever.

    Just remember this wasn't given by an EM. The OP says it was given by a Dev on a production shard who manages the EMs, after an EM event on Pacific.
     
  46. Artemyth

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    Obviously it was done with a sense of humor and sure it might seem justified to us, who hate whiners, but these people are supposed to be professionals. Remove him or make it so he can't talk, don't reward him or patronize him. Was the sash given afterwards? Maybe they gave him the sash as an apology cause they made fun of him? Who knows.
     
  47. sablestorm

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    Prove it. Let's have specific instances and compare that to the number of events they run. We've seen that you've already made an assumption about our Pacific event which was completely opposite of what you claimed, so I wonder if we can really trust your judgement.