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Just lost 2 Vollems (From a Crystal) last night.... They are sooo broke.

Discussion in 'UHall' started by Vexxed, Jul 13, 2013.

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  1. Vexxed

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    OK... So apparently I managed to totally lose 2 Vollems on my Bard last night. I have room in my stable & they are not there and the linked pet balls fill with a "Blue Mist' and Fail... I've been hunting straight through server down over 100 times easily with them & never had a problem, but last night I was actually bank sitting which means my vollems were under the effect of "All Stay" when the server went down which is the only thing I can think of that might have caused it. I'll page a GM now & see what they say but I doubt they can do anything. This is the 2nd set I've lost also though that previous one was 2-3 years ago.. bleh
     
  2. Flutter

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    Never EVER have your pets out during server down.
    Sorry you lost your pets. The server saves at a random time and sometimes eats pets in the process. They don't get stabled at server down. Sorry but a GM isn't going to be able to help you. From now on stable your pets after the first server message if you care about keeping them.
    Lesson learned.
     
  3. Vexxed

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    Lesson Learned.... Not really. When it works fine hundreds of times it's no wonder I wasn't worried. I'll go tame a few lowland bouras and call it good I guess, but It would honestly be 100% better if it ate pets EVERY single time... then people wouldn't feel confident lol. I'd actually prefer it that way as opposed to the 1% or whatever chance it is to eat them.....
     
  4. MalagAste

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    Post #21 on this subject once again I have to say do NOT ever leave your pets out at Server down...... Log out in a secure location.... Why risk it.

    While I'm sorry for your loss all I can say is this is a known issue.. it's been posted about at least 20 times... and yet people keep doing it.
     
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  5. Viper09

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    If it has worked hundreds of times for you then perhaps something in recent publishes is the cause of all the recent server down issues with pets.
     
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  6. Voodoo Bad Mojo

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    from what i understand about server down and pets you dont actually LOG out when there is a server down.
    so if you have pets out they dont get that log out - into the mystical stable - when you log out thing.
    so they sit there.
    with no owner.
    loosing loyalty.
    then poof, they unbond.

    i know ive been training pets a couple times and server down snuck up on me and when i logged back in 15 minutes later my pets where very low in loyalty.
    and a couple times just giving them one command unbonded them then.

    i think people just assume that server down is log out and insta stable.
    it isnt.

    leaving a pet out during server down is just plain asking for trouble no matter how ya slice it.
     
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  7. startle

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    It seems that we all seem to learn the hard way about what CAN happen at Server Down. One of those things concerns Pets. If you have a pet that you really, really do NOT want to lose, then make sure you stable it BEFORE Server Down...
    Sorry for your loss tho'...
     
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  8. The Zog historian

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    Here we go again. Am I the only one who read the relevant part of the Publish 81 notes, and who believes that if what we're told is not actually the case, then the Devs at least need to acknowledge it?

    If we can't trust this safeguard, then what good is it?

    In the words of Johnny Hates Jazz, "So much for your promises..."
     
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  9. Viper09

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    It may be something else unrelated to what that safe guard is in place for. All issues that people have been reporting all seem to be about vollems. At least I can't recall anyone reporting any other animal being lost due to server down.
     
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    It might be because they come from crystals.
     
  11. The Zog historian

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    Yes, that's why I suggested in the previous thread that it's a bug related to how the game sees them: pets, but not pets.

    The shame is that it would be very easy for the team to test this out, almost as easy for one of them to at least say "We're looking into this."
     
  12. Voodoo Bad Mojo

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    i think your misunderstanding what that "rescued" things is.
    its for server reverts or if they have to pull the server down for a planned emerg maintenance.
    not a daily server maintenance.
     
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    Has anyone been seeing these issues with other like pets? Grizzle mare, or the Paroxy swampy?
     
  14. Ron Silverbeard

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    Hmm..me also would read it as Zog might understand it:

    Pets will now be “rescued” if a server reverts to a backup during which the pet was out in the world

    Ok thats one good Thing...

    During server maintenance, these pets will be teleported to a safe Location

    Ok thats a DIFFERENT Thing, Server maintance = what it tells me - and its a daily sheduled Server down...

    So, even i dont want to test it with my pets, i also would read this as in both cases my pet will be saved...

    On the other Hand, i havent left my pet anywere yet than stabled at Server down...
     
  15. G.v.P

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    Seems like three-four people have lost their Vollems in the last two-three weeks due to server down issues. Yeah, I guess the answer is don't play near server down times, lol...but then, there should really be a better way of handling server down.

    Meh. My biggest losses in game were the loss of my personal bless deed on my main character due to a smithy bug in which items were smelted instead of repaired, as well as a flag bug in which a guildmate and I were testing aggro and my unbonded first greater dragon--when those came out--got guardwhacked, despite being fully loyal and in our guild, lol. So I guess I haven't experienced too much loss so far. The bless deed will always bug me since it had personalization :). I still have my vollems but havent used them in ages...
     
  16. Winter

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    Not everyone reads Stratics Uhall, so that's faulty reasoning. In fact, from my experience, most people who play UO do not read Stratics at all.
     
  17. MalagAste

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    While I'm well aware of that ignorance of your own laziness is no ones fault but yours.

    That's like saying to the officer "Well I was drunk", when you get into an accident.... NO one made you drink..... so therefore You are at fault..... If you are too dumb to figure out that you shouldn't drink and drive then you pay the price.

    It's like saying well I'm sorry officer I didn't know that killing someone was against the law.

    If you don't stay up and aware of what is going on in the game you play then it's hardly the fault of anyone but yourself when you do things you shouldn't.

    Rather like crybabies that cry about invasions happening when they know full well they are going on.
     
  18. Viper09

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    You say that as if you assume that those people who do not read stratics are even aware of this website and the content that is posted on it. Easy to blame them for not reading these forums but you also need to ask whether or not they even know about this site.
     
  19. flappy6

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    I lost 2 doing the character copy
     
  20. Lady Michelle

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    I just tested this killing stuff around a stable. Your pet is killing something trying to stable it you get the message your pet is busy, and it wont go into the stable. once its not killing anything it stables. these were petty one bite kills. I don't have the time to go kill high end kills come back to a stable to see if my pet stables or i get that your pet is busy message.
    So if you have pets killing things or your training having them fighting each other when the server goes down most likely they will not go into the stables.
     
  21. The Zog historian

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    We've been over this before. I am not misunderstanding anything. You are the one who misunderstands that "if a server reverts to a backup" is not confined to a shard crash, but includes daily maintenance. It is incontrovertible fact that the daily cycle involves reverting to a backup.

    Why else is the very next part, "During server maintenance"?
     
  22. pumpkin_escobar

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    How the hell would a new player know these things?
     
  23. The Zog historian

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    Never mind reading UHall. Someone who keeps up with UO.com simply cannot take the writers at their word with the Publish 81 notes.

    To make your bad analogy a good one, it's someone being served something and told there's no alcohol or perhaps something that causes a bad allergic reaction. But it in fact does, AND the server is very aware the ingredient is there.
     
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    Any chance of getting this exceptionally redundant thread locked. I can't imagine that there's anything more to be said on this subject...:confused:
     
  25. Vexxed

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    I think I find a thread youve created and suggest its locked when I decide it serves no purpose...... I do believe that the squeaky wheel gets the grease. On another not Ill add that I also lost my parox. Swampy in a similar manner about a month ago. I got raided and died while spawning and then PvPed through server down. The dead swampy didnt make it.....
     
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    Imagine some one mentioning a new finding that led to the fix for Vollems.
     
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    i still have all my Vollem's.
    so i guess i understand it a little better then some.
    hmmmmm?
     
  28. startle

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    This thread boils down to two succinct points:

    Point one: The Dev's have stated that this shouldn't happen.
    Point two: While we understand and sympathize with Point One, it's best to play it safe.

    And all we are doing is going over and over and over those two points.... Are we not? I mean.... what's the point?
     
  29. Winker

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    Well if you feel that way, you don't have to force yourself to navigate your mouse over the thread title and click on it. Go read another thread that interests you.
     
  30. The Zog historian

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    And by your logic, a player is safe by never using something and keeping it the bank, lest there be an insurance bug or house decay bug, hmmmmm?

    With Publish 81, we're supposed to have protection for pets. That's all there is to it.
     
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    there is no protection from daily maintenance.
    never has been.

    i run around with my vollems every day and i have never had a problem with loosing mine.
    and we are leaving the realm of vollems and going into insurance and house decay?
    i take it that means that we are all in agreement that the PUB 81 pet protection is about reverts and unplanned server down's and NOT what some people have read into it (wishfully).

    i honestly dont see where the confusion in this is.

    if ya like your pets put it in the stable, if you dont like your pet feel free to play with him while the server goes down.
     
  32. The Zog historian

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    Wrong. No matter how many times I've quoted it, you still don't understand that "if a server reverts to a backup" is not confined to a shard crash, but includes daily maintenance. It is incontrovertible fact that the daily cycle involves reverting to a backup. A shard reverting to its backup as part of daily maintenance is the same process as when it recovers from a crash.

    If the Publish 81 notes aren't talking about server maintenance, then why else is the very next part, "During server maintenance"? ANSWER THAT, instead of just pretending I didn't say something. The only reason these three threads go on forever is because you and others keep parroting "Well just stable your pets," WHEN WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO HAVE TO.

    And as far as insurance, I'm applying your logic of "don't take chances" to items in general. If we can't trust game mechanics, then should we be keeping anything valuable strictly in the bank, in case something happens? Of course not, because the game mechanics are supposed to work -- item insurance, house and boat decay, and now pet rescue.

    Servers going down is such a short period of time, compared to years ago, that players have gotten comfortable with playing right up until "Connection Lost," then logging back in once the shard is back up. Pet rescue was supposed to help with maximizing that time.
     
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    Your right it should work it doesn't though going back in forth is not goin to solve the problem. read my post 20

    The pets won't stable if agressive server goes down pets are still attacking things pets will not stable.
    There is no reason for that short of a time any pet that is bonded not to be right there when you log back on.
    The servers going down players losing their vollems once they log back in when server comes up.
    because they don't feed them and the loyality is low could that be why the vollems disappear?
    do vollems lose loyality faster if your not a tamer non tamers have to keep feeding vollems to keep them wonderfully happy?
     
  34. The Zog historian

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    Per the publish notes, a pet shouldn't need to be stabled if the owner logs in and has sufficient control slots. So something is very, very wrong.

    I've never released my vollems, but don't they bond instantly and never need feeding?
     
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  35. Tazar

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    There is a reason why there is a server down message broadcast several times before going down for a maintenance cycle. The message advises you to find a safe place and log out. If you decide not to, then you are taking a risk.

    Since this whole thread is nothing but a continuation of a previously locked thread, I am closing this one.
     
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