With pub 16 reds are going to become a hot commodity, if someone wants to advance in the justice virtue they have to kill reds. I have no problem with being hunted, but there is no way I'm playing spawn for a bunch of no skill pvpers with blessed gear. They get to keep all their gear and gain virtue points. What do the reds get? We get to replace our gear. We get nerfed, and if those nerfs don't work there will be more. Lets put it bluntly, for justice to work reds have to die. OSI is going to nerf reds until a dirty look from a blue can kill us. The answer, don't go to the dungeons. Make them come out into the real fel to play. They gave us control of justice all we have to do is use it. I don't mind blues attacking me, but if OSI wants a no loot, easily killed, no risk spawn they can get off their asses and code one.