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KR Art Toggle For EC?

Discussion in 'UHall' started by Dakkon Blackblade, Oct 24, 2010.

  1. Dakkon Blackblade

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    Devs is there anyway this can be implemented into the game? just so those of us who aren't running PC's from 1990 can actually enjoy something a bit more graphically intense than the terrible EC?

    I would gladly resub to the game if this were the case, I'm sure I'm not alone here, but perhaps it would be a real headache to implement? I don't know but it seems like it would have been nice to have a choice before the EC was implemented.
     
  2. Spogfrawn

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    KR was gorgeous, I loved it to bits.

    It was a sad, sad day when they decided to tear all that wonderful hires art out.

    I would gladly pay as much as I did for Stygian Abyss, with no additional content even, just to be able to use that client with the KR art in all it's glory.
     
  3. Martyna Zmuir

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    KR world, building, MoB and Avatar art, YES.

    KR item art, NO. (Too many of KR's items were unrecognizable, pitchers being a prime example.)
     
  4. Dermott of LS

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    Add KR pre-HS boat artwork and KR plant artwork. Really in terms of item art, there's a good portion that could be KR artwork and be fine.

    I want to see it happen, but I've lost a good amount of hope in it unfortunately.
     
  5. Dakkon Blackblade

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    Well I think our best chances of having it happen is to just take the whole thing as is and not demand nitpicky changes, otherwise it will go in the direction the classic shard idea went and people will be like "what's the real KR?" I can handle the item art it's a small tradeoff compared to the horrible look of the EC.
     
  6. Don't think it'll ever happen, but you have my vote. I would love to see KR graphics back, either as an option or a whole new game and proper sequel to UO.
     
  7. Dakkon Blackblade

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    I can't see ever getting more than an option since they canned the client as a replacement..but maybe Cal or someone can give us an idea on the feasibility/likelihood of this happening.
     
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    Nothing in the game would make me happier than seeing KR graphics back in the game or some form of high res graphics.:thumbsup:
     
  9. cdavbar

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    This, Many of my items lost their colors, glacial turned brown, black turned brown, everything turned brown. it was horrible.

    But the environment was wonderful
     
  10. Dakkon Blackblade

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    I'm with you guys on the item art but what I'm saying is it would be better if the devs said fine heres your option to have high res again, and maybe we will touch up on the item art later or maybe not, but at least we would have a better client to use.

    I'd like to see the item art touched up as well but it's not a deal breaker if they said you can take it as is or not at all, I would be happy with that.
     
  11. Heartseeker

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    Some of the art was excellent.

    Bearskin rugs, fireplaces and furniture, and oh ya plants.
     
  12. hawkeye_pike

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    Design-wise KR was a nightmare. Perspectives were wrong, dimensions were wrong, coloration was wrong. However, some parts of KR really looked great, like plants, floor tiles and certain artwork (like ships). It is a pity that nothing is done to make the EC look more pretty, cause that's what most people who take a first look at UO criticize.
     
  13. Merion

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    Yes, bring the nice things back! Especially the high res character models!
     
  14. Dakkon Blackblade

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    True especially the rugs I just hope they will give us the option I really miss playing KR.
     
  15. Lord Frodo

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    Why limit it to just 2 selections.

    EC Graphics Selection
    O-CC
    O-EC
    O-KR

    You pick, everybody gets what they want.
     
  16. Dakkon Blackblade

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    Uh I don't know about anyone else but I thought this was a thread requesting KR art as an option, it's a given that the other two would not go anywhere right? I thought that was assumed.. :scholar:
     
  17. Lord Frodo

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    I am talking about in the EC. Have all 3 with 1 client.
     
  18. Dakkon Blackblade

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    I'm all for it Frodo I don't see why anyone would object, we just need to hear from the devs I guess.
     
  19. Lord Frodo

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    I re-downloaded the EC and there has been vast improvments to the UI, but my god I still can't stand to look at the graphics. There are a few things I use the EC for now, like going through chests in my house. Call me old fashion but I do like the CC Graphics and if they put those in the EC I would switch. I do not use zoom so IMHO I could have the best of both worlds ECs UI and CCs Graphics.
     
  20. Dermott of LS

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    The EC's graphics are 90% Legacy graphics (only terrain and model artwork are KR), the reason why they "suck" is because they are beinbg displayed outside of their native resolution and do not scale... AT ALL.

    Even if you went all CC graphics, models included, you'll still have the exact same problem due to the native resolution of the Legacy graphics.

    While it would be nice for a complete high-resolution redo of all of the graphics, the KR option is the quickest way of making that happen.

    As it is, that option should have been retained, but simply have thing swapped from KR (so that Legacy graphics would be default and KR graphics optional).
     
  21. AesSedai

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    - Make it different downloads, if concerned about the additional bandwidth some users may have due to adding and granting us an option for graphics that already developmentally exist.

    +1
    Please give us a KR graphics option (plop in the graphics that have already been created for KR and call the current art for everything added since; and then update as determined when you see the % that eventually migrates to the better KR graphics option. Bingbangboom.pls).
    +1
     
  22. MalagAste

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    Am I the only one that thought the KR plants most especially ferns looked like some crayola stick drawings done by kindergartners???

    and I HATED the way most things colored in KR.... as in all or not.... Beds and things if colored were hideously ugly and I hated it.

    Maybe I'm just crazy but I actually HATE 90% of the mobile art I'm stuck with now..... like my poor dragon, the Hiryu.... Ostards..... for example and the Energy vortex.... Horrible...
     
  23. Dermott of LS

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    I LOVED KR plant artwork. I made a comparison screenshot between KR and EC (in early EC beta before KR went away) that really shows how KR artwork was much more full, lush and alive while the Legacy artwork compared to the KR artwork looks thin, scraggly, and dying.

    If people don't like the style of KR artwork, noone is trying to take away Legacy artwork, we're simply waning the OPTION for KR artwork to return so that we can run a client with artwork built more a more modern resolution, and that's simply the easiest way to achieve that goal at the moment.
     
  24. Lord Frodo

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    Then give us the option of taking out what ever they did. None of the mobs are CC Graphics so your 90% is false. The only thing that looks somewhat like CC is the housing.
    Why is it everytime someone agrees with you and asks for the same thing for the EC to have a CC Graphics you snub your nose at them? Did I say no don't do this? I said yes to KR graphics and asked why they couldn't do the same for TRUE CC graphics.
     
  25. Dakkon Blackblade

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    I don't object to what you are wanting Frodo but the reason I started the thread was because KR is already developed and ready to go, I personally don't know the hows and whys of what it would take for them to make CC art in the EC all I know is KR art is already done and I would just like the option of running it on my $3000 dollar gaming rig.

    I don't mean to brag about that either just saying the CC for me lost it's luster a long long long time ago, and even though some of the best times I ever had in the game were with that client for me personally and those that want this option available it's time to move on from classic client.
     
  26. olduofan

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    As lame as this sounds the main reason I refuse to use the EC is the dragon art (and a few other monsters with that white pink) Its the ugliest I have ever seen in an game and the dungeons that blue WTF along with the different music OMG. not to mention the game makes me nauseous trying to play it. I wish they would just drop it and start over or at least put the plants and a few other images from KR into it and let use use the monster art from the classic client in it. some of the other monsters in the EC is good but the dragons are so bad that alone is enough for me to stay away from it... take look at Dark-falls dragon it rocks and it looks like the UO dragon form the CC. sorry about the rant here
     
  27. Dakkon Blackblade

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    That's not a lame reason at all, a dragon should look fierce and menacing, not like something that makes you want to laugh and cry at the same time. lol
     
  28. Lord Frodo

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    All 3 graphics are there and according to some they are already using 90% of the CC graphics in a reformated form. The EC was changed to work on lower-end CPUs so to do what you are asking will prob. take as much rework of the EC as what a lot of CC players are asking for. We are asking for the same thing because both groups think the ECs graphics SUXS and if UO wants to ever get to ONE client then they need to see if this can be done. I will gladly switch to EC if I do not have to look at the fugly art as will a lot of other CC users and if enough of us switch then maybe, and I say maybe we can get to 1 client.
     
  29. The Craftsman

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    Lets not forget, KR was EA's way to bring back people to UO. Its future. Its new hope. They were so convinced on it that they stated that they would shut down the classic client once take up of KR reached 95%.

    Now, even EA realised what a p.o.s. KR and its graphics were, and consigned it to the bin. Thats where its rightfully staying so you may as well give up on your hopeless dream. Its not happening.

    EA have moved on ... the EC and continued support for the CC. So should you.
     
  30. lucitus

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    Yeah it flopped but not because of the bad graphics, because of the support there were no support after the layoffs 2007 NO support! not less support NO support!

    I hope they will think about this and make a booster pack for this.
     
  31. Dakkon Blackblade

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    Craftsman your post was completely pointless, having this option does not effect anyone elses gameplay at all. Also I do not think this needs to be a booster or even a smaller part of a larger booster, it was already developed some of us just want this option and hopefully Cal or someone will read this and let us know one way or the other.
     
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    No chance. The idea of booster packs is to introduce new content, to an extent that it will appeal to the masses enough to sell in reasonable quantity. A KR art booster would undoubtedly sell ... but how many units? A few hundred? A couple of thousand at a stretch? Not worth EA's time and effort and it wont ever happen.
     
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    There are many many things that the Devs should be devoting their time to that are way way ahead of reintroducing eye candy for the partially blind , i.e. the KR graphics. So no thanks.
     
  34. Dermott of LS

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    Dakkon, Craftsman has been one of the biggest knee-jerk anti-KR/EC posters over the past two/three yeras, I would take that into account in regards to his comments.
     
  35. Dakkon Blackblade

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    That isn't for you to say fortunately, it's for the devs, and just because you don't like something doesn't mean we are partially blind, the only thing that makes me partially blind is a 13 year old client with worse graphics than the original Diablo.

    But really I didn't post this to argue with people, it's a question aimed at the developers, you dislike KR client fine and dandy but some of us do miss it.
     
  36. hawkeye_pike

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    As always, when the client art discussion comes up, most people are forgetting one thing:

    You personally may or may not like the legacy graphics. The point is, with these graphics gamers won't even touch UO with a 10 foot pole, no matter how great the features of this game are. What UO lacks most is fresh blood, NEW players. That's why UO is (very slowly, but steadily) fading.

    Things like the High Seas booster are great additions to the game, but they will not suffice if you want the subscriptions to increase noticably.

    So yes, I consider making the game more interesting for the masses of non-UO-gamers out there one of the most imporant goals.
     
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    NetDragon is currently working on a 3D Ultima Online client for China/India/HK.

    So EA may as well wait until that is released and if it is any good they can either use it in the rest of the world or just outsource client development to NetDragon.
     
  38. Dakkon Blackblade

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    Hawkeye speaks the truth, uo needs fresh blood to get going again, and HD I had no idea netdragon was working on that, very interesting. Hopefully it won't end up being like the old 3D client.
     
  39. The Craftsman

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    Lets not also forget that Dermott is a die hard pom pom waving KR Fanboi. I would also take that into account in regards to his comments.
     
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    I would be delighted to see the KR artwork for the houses & buildings make a comeback.


    What I really miss is the char models from Third Dawn (3D) where the weapon stayed in the right hand and the shield stayed in the left hand no matter which direction you were facing.

    It's a small & petty thing but for some reason made a big difference to me.