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(OT) Legalize it

Discussion in 'UO Siege Perilous' started by Roland', Aug 24, 2010.

  1. Roland'

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    I'm not one for the Youtubing at work, but I hang my head in shame for having read the word "allegaytions".
     
  3. Roland'

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    Dude you know its funny. They can use auto tune to bring hilarity to any situation.
     
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    Just a note for our Siege forum posters. While the first youtube was a borderline, it was not really offensive. Subsequent links were.

    Off Topic (OT) are not prohibited, but should be posted within reason. There are some topics that are not appropriate for the forums. All posts are subject to these rules. Excessive OT posts will be dealt with on a case by case basis.

    Posting of pornography, racist or otherwise discriminating remarks, threats to cause physical or mental harm, extreme offensive language, material that breaks any law or otherwise totally unacceptable posts or links to pages that contain the aforementioned material may result in an immediate ban from the forums.
     
  5. Roland'

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    I didnt think anything about this post as they seem to come down on the news casters for their talk about sexuality. Mostly i was in it for the weed stuff, but the other part of the song is in the center of tune.

    My bad if its unacceptle pls remove it.
     
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    As I said Roland, your link was not too bad. Some seem to forget this forum may be viewed by children and is moderated accordingly.
     
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    Come November, proposition 19 *will* pass...

    Legalize it? We're gonna...
     
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    its gonna be a dark dark dark dark daaayyyyyyy
    dark with smoooooke

    Hehe ya all my hippy buddies have pretty much shipped off for California. Oregons next = )
     
  9. HaHa

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    I just dont see it having enough support.
     
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    Come live here and talk to the citizens of the state. The only "average joe" I know who doesn't support it are the dealers themselves, since they stand to lose billions of dollars collectively.

    Let's see. CA might actually be able to balance their budget. Prison overcrowding greatly reduced. Illegal "pot farms" on state land will cease, leaving LEO's more time to deal with more serious crimes. One of the top Mexican exports being decriminalized will lead to less border conflict...there's more, but I'll wait for some retorts before going on...
     
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    Why would dealers hate this? They would be able to legally carry goods around. If they are smart enough to not get seen making a sale they are okay. Dealers good will be cheaper than the states im sure, therefore they will still have much business. Untill marlboro or camel comes in and takes over....
     
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    The current dealers are freaking out because demand for their product will plummet, as will the price.

    Sure, they can carry it around and sneak sales, but when there's no demand for the product (anyone can grow in a 5'X5' area) and the price has plummeted (again, anyone and everyone can grow) you might seriously reconsider the jail time.

    There's a lot more to it. Proposition 19 basically legalizes growing across the state, but it also allows all counties and municipalities to set their own regulations and restrictions, up to and including a complete ban.
     
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    I didnt understand anyone could grow legally. I thought you needed some kind of business license.
     
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    Not disparaging you, but I think it's a sad state of affairs when it's assumed that you can't put something in some soil and throw water at it without permission from the government.
     
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    I think there will be a restructuring of the entire system, but if you are currently a dealer and REALLY know how to run your end of the business then there will always be a niche market of marijuana smokers for your to be able to continue your business and thrive.

    I look forward too the vote with weary eyes in November. There are A LOT of supporters... ya pot heads, and pot heads are NOTORIOUS for simply not voting.

    but there is also a lot of opposition even from the an economic stand point if you think legalization is going to bring in some absurd amount of money from taxes you're completely wrong because the prices are going to fall so fast that the "huge taxes" people currently envision aren't going to happen.

    I honestly dont want it legalized(just in California) because i dont want BIG BUSINESS getting there ****ing hands on it. Marlboro and Camel selling bull**** grass from mexico is gonna **** me off. Plus were does that leave Californians when we travel......we take weed across state lines are now arrested and thrown in jail in nevada? That'd be really ****ing sweet for all the Californians it happens too.
     
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    I think the pot heads will vote. If its one thing that "pot heads" are active on... its weed. They may not win, but they will make an effort.

    Taxes, doesn't matter if its 10 to 20 times cheaper. Tobacco is legal, and it brings in maaaad cash. It will bring in noticeable tax income. And while it wont magically fix cali's debt, it wont hurt.

    On quality concerns, people who know how to grow it will do so, and will run shops with the high end stuff, for more cash. These places already exist, and theres a big difference between quality pot and quality tobacco. You wont have to smoke garbage, but if you want it cheap and easy, it will be there mass marketed. Honestly It seems to me like a really good product for an indi producer who knows the plant, and what they are doing, which is great.

    As for getting busted when you travel... If your not being a ****** no one will ever know, just as it is now. Or you know, just leave it at home?

    Should have been leagal for a really long time. Especially home grown, thats just moronic. Can brew your own beer but not plant your own pot, nonsensical.

    And the most important plus to me is that it will reduce drug trafficking related crime.

    And I don't even smoke pot.

    p.s. Loving Auto-tune the news... great stuff. Junkie Einstein cracks me up just looking at him. :)
     
  17. HaHa

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    Just food for thought....

    You have an accident.

    It has been 2 weeks since you smoked marijuana.....

    Since it stays in your system for almost a month you are charged for DUI drugs.

    You pay almost $3200 to bond out of jail even though you hadnt smoked in 2 weeks the MJ is still in your system.
     
  18. HaHa

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    Flat out saying "legalize it!" is plain stupid. Advising the government of the pros and cons is a good bet on this one. There has got to be laws and stipulations on this and that will take years.
     
  19. Roland'

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    Very good points Haha. I do think weed should have similar laws to alcohol. How would we determine if someone was stoned while driving and not 2 weeks ago?

    As a minor i got into some trouble and they determined THC and alcohol levels in my system. Maybe they can fine tune it to see how recent consumtion was? But at the same time what are they gonna do give you a **** test on the side of the road? Maybe your stoned cause your eyes are red? I have three kids my eyes are always red.
     
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    Doesn't he need probable cause to charge the subject for DUI, though?

    About the only thing I can think of to give the officer probable cause is scent (you just smoked it) visual (its on the floor of your wrecked car) or by field sobriety test (horizontal gaze nystagmus)

    If you smoked it two weeks ago, there's no probable cause. Or am I wrong?
     
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    Probable cause is great in theory, but "smelling it on you" is hardly something that can be proven false.

    Disclaimer: I don't think every cop is out to get me, but there's no way to tell the good from the bad until you're either sent on your way home or being arrested, and it's well within the power of every cop to screw up your life on a whim.
     
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    /agree

    Everybody can have bad days at work. If a cop does.....
     
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    Not in Washington state. I voted for it and pushed hard however they recently claimed they were 1000 votes short of making it to Nov ballet
     
  25. Rothen

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    This is a huge subject and problem in the US. Let's legalize it and let the gov run the program. Tax the F'ing hell out of it too. The proponets of it here will say it is a non-addictive herb and they have the right to do with it what they will. I'm sure that is true for some, but not everyone.
    There are also those out there that started where they are and went down another road to harder drugs. And most of us know, or should know, where the majority of the worlds opiates are grown. So how do we deal with or think about that? The next quote comes from Wiki:
    "American and NATO commanders were confronted with the dilemma of, on the one hand, the need to "win the hearts and minds" of the local population and, on the other, the need to eradicate poppy fields and destroy the opium economy that allegedly financed the Taliban insurgency. Since opium is the main source of existence of 60 to 70 percent of the farmers in Marja, American Marines were ordered to preliminarily ignore the crops to avoid trampling their livelihood."
    So once you start down the road, who puts in the yeild and stop signs. What is the parameters of your new freedoms? Can everyone now grow and sell at their pleasure, doubtfull. It could get worse for you all than it is now. Someone said once that with greater liberties comes greater responsibilities. Or something along that order.
    And as far as letting each state choose to make their own laws regarding this issue, I am all for it. Hopefully Ohio will learn from any future changes made on the west coast.
     
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    Meh, I guess cause im not a smoker, I dont see any reason to legalize it. It will cause issues for sure, and there will be billions spent on trying to prove people were high when getting in an accident, just due to period THC is in the body. Unlike liquor, which is in and out.

    I cant see this being a good thing. Let the dealers keep doing thier thing, and let the pot heads smoke it in the privacy of thier own backyard, or house. But last thing im gonna want is some ******* sitting on a patio down town, chain smoking joints because he can, and I gotta smell the **** while I try and have a date with my gf, or dinner with the boys, or even have my kid on the patio with us, cause its a nice day.

    And how are you gonna control the second hand smoke aspect of it? Where I live, there is 0 smoking allowed in bars, or restaurants, and its nice not to have to deal with someone elses problem.
     
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    Is N49ATV leet spelling for negative? Here man hit this feel better about it all okay?
     
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    As a hippy era human being, I can 'only find one reason' to legalise pot. There are folks whom have gotten it and died cuz the grower put some crap on it that maybe is outlawed in regards to herbicides and pesticides. This DID happen back in my day, when some innocent teenagers just tokin up got some really bad pot, laced in DDT and other crapola that in the end brain deaded em and killed them, not due to the pot but due to the illegal long banned pesticides the so called growers had used on their crop. No one should DIE from those leaves.

    BUT considering how badly the FDA and USA run our food checks ie millions of bad eggs recently unchecked till folks got sick ...I do not trust anything utterly run by the govt. either for our safety/human consumption. THEY FAIL miserably in too much as it is protecting the consumer as is !

    Other than that I am reminded of a famous SOVIET UNION cold war quote, tried to look it up just now to see which Soviet said it, but hearing then our most feared enemy saying it back then it never left my mind...it went something like this :

    We do not have to go to war upon the United States we only have to wait, till Americans DESTROY THEMSELVES.........with drugs & etc.

    Sorry this former hippy can only say, if ya need something mood altering to get in a better mood, to feel happy get high, whatever, perhaps ya need to check your HUMOR ratio and grow it, without needing DRUGS OR BOOZE to have a humor, to chill out and relax, or feel slap happy about stuff or life or anything in general. :)

    DUIs create also lots of accidents, under the influence of pot, or far worse drugs or even too many beers, can net you 18 mos. or more in jail for a negligent homicide...ie if ya tokin up, don't endanger others lives on the road, don't be stupid... dont fricken drive ! PERIOD !
     
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    Not it stands for North of the 49th. The 49th parrallel is the canada/US border
     
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    Uh, link?

    Don't spout off urban legends as fact.

    Prop 19 isn't about the G-man taking control of the industry, it's about regulation, control, and taxation. From Wikipedia:

    Read about the subject you are ranting on before embarking on said rant, please. In fact, here you go...

     
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    What about pre-employment drug screens?

    If marijuana is legal, can you still be tested and denied for a positive THC result?
     
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    Id say you still would be. Since im sure they would group it under the same as showing booze in your system. Though with the time THC stays in the system, it would be a tough call, and im sure would fall into a grey area, that no one would set a clear and defined line.
     
  33. Rothen

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    Well, we keep beer, wine and liguor looked up or in a fridge, inside our homes. How are you going to keep teens and younger out of a 25' sq garden that is outside your home? If this prop passes there it will be stricly regulated and probably cause more headaches in the short time than it cures for those of you that partake. In the long-term it will probably help us as Americans learn how to deal with drugs/ alcohol and their affects in the same way our neighboors in parts of Europe have. But that will take another generation or two of education, experience and public service announcements on tv.
     
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    5X5 garden is a good sized closet/spare room, and some space will be taken by chemicals and lighting and watering.

    Buy stock in Phototrons.
     
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    It was not an urban legend. YOU can go back to 1969-1971 and look for the obituaries. You have to remember back then DDT was still legal and folks used it on things they grew, be it lettuce or pot. The obits did NOT say the pot caused the deaths of a 14 yr. old, a 16 yr. old and a few older folks. The law enforcement and medical coroners concluded that these few deaths back then were due to pesticides upon the pot.


    DDT hysteria was rampant back then along with acid rain etc. DDT was banned for use in USA and they formed a new agency called the EPA/ the Environmental Agency cirica 1970/71.

    I am simply stating, any grown product for human consumption be it legal or illegal can have it's risks ! Regulating pot or it's growth thus possibly legalising it, may REDUCE unwarrented deaths because unless we grow it ourselves be it lettuce or pot even no one knows WHAT was used on something that can become fatal for human consumption !!

    Even legal drugs get recalled by the FDA when these prescriptions cause more side effects or deaths than originally thought in testings.

    Thus my thought processes that IF pot would be legalised it should also be a substance checked like our lettuce or beer or wine to make sure the grower or producer of said product is NOT lacing anything with something chemically harmful that may make users sick or die from said product/s be they lettuce our eggs or pot !

    Till then smoking or consuming any illegally produced uninspected products created by *the pusherman* friend or foe to us /usa then one foolishly assumes that any product one does not grow/produce themselves,

    will have no consequnces and is *safe*.

    Be it moonshine pot or worse, illegal products unchecked, always will have their consequences ... risks.

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    Yea our gov. is doing a wonderful job keeping harmful pesticides, bacterias, and general nastiness out of our food chain. I'll leave it up to them to regulate what I put in my lungs too.

    /majorsarcasm
     
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    LOL what a ****ing myth. Zen, whatever obituary or whoever you heard this from its complete garbage.

    First of all DDT would be extremely hard to smoke in the amounts it would take to kill you outright. Second of all, even HIGH levels of DDT are not proven to be fatal to humans.

    Its all the other **** that DDT does to your body, cancers, immune system, reproductive system.

    but DDT wouldn't just instantly kill you if you inhaled it with some marijuana. You wouldn't take a puff then 24 hours later be dead

    But whatever, keep repeating some unproven bull**** created by 80 years of anti marijuana propaganda
     
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    You're very angry....
     
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    I dont know of the situation queen speaks of, but i do come from a background in rowcrop agriculture.

    My family have used many diffrent pesticids/herbicides, and i will tell you this there are MANY that will do a whole lot of bad if it enters the system. Some can cause death if over exposed to the skin.

    Timid for example say you have a coyote problem and in an effort to control them you place a bait trap soaked in timid. Coyote eats bait dies within minutes buzzard eats coyote buzzard dies also. (this i have personally seen)
    I have never had any experience with ddt other than what ive heard my family speak. They say it was some pretty bad stuff and ill take their word on that.
     
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    Anyone will not attempt to grow pot, the reason being.... can you imagine how many people will be yard snatching if someone tried growing it in their backyard? And as far as growing it indoors, the utility bill alone would put the brakes on that.
     
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    I've schooled you on this before, don't make me do it again.

    I'll have to go on the roof and take pics...you see, I have my own power, and I sell the excess to PG&E.

    And before you start babbling about a water bill, I have my own well too.
     
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    *laughs* I had someone snatch and go, with my nice ripe tomatoes out of my yard ! The neighbors' dog, likes my tomatoes. :lol:

    That may depend on where one lives too. I *hear* it grows really well in the same ground that cotton grows down here in Mississippi. The county legal police and feds, torched acres of it grown a bit south of here in the ground, not too long ago.

    Hear tell everyone was inhaling the breezes, off the acres of burning crop smoke, down there. Some just water it by rain & if it don't rain it will just wilt like the cotton they may be tryin to grow on huge acreages. But I hear it grows really well in 'Mississippi mud'. One probably could grow a smaller personal crop of anything legally grown for their own use, in soil or water style.

    Anyhow, I am not gonna argue DDT on pot or nothing else, no more.

    Personally best way I see it, if ya gonna use it, you are still safer growing YOUR OWN products if one can, [preferrably LEGALLY] be it that weedy purpley haze or whatever kinda stuffs, or a head of lettuce...we consume.

    *goes off to water her home grown outdoors in the natural sunshine, wiltin in the heat, garden of tomatoes, peppers, cukes, watermellons, cantelope and string beans*:thumbup1:rolleyes: *cheap water rates, down here* :)

    Figure IF I water my garden of veggies today, then surely that so called slow moving low cool front crossing the middle of USA, to supposidly give us some rain, [that they say will push hurricane Earl off the east coast] will finally get here, today or tomorrow or whenever. It is moving too slowly I don't think it will get to our east coast in time to stiffle Earl though. Heck it isn't even HERE yet.
     
  43. RedDaTeef

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    All you need is a decent size yard with a fence and a decent sized dog or two and the snatch and go (or ripping where I come from) won't be a problem.

    Also a apartment patio that is a story up will fit the bill.

    Plus Cheapy is somewhat right. Most people won't grow it but will probably buy it from the store. At about 20-30 $ per OZ most people ought to leave it to the pro's. But people in the Know, with the right strains, will always grow.