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Let us hunt Faction oranges

Discussion in 'UHall' started by Widow Maker, Aug 10, 2011.

  1. Widow Maker

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    ....IN TRAMMEL!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    For heaven's sake, 1/2 to 3/4 of faction oranges never ever see Fel at all. They get our gear and hide in Trammel. Let us hunt Factions in Trammel!!
     
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    Then don't let people in Factions stealth around either.... the entire time you are in Fel 3/4 to 9/10 of the time you are hidden :/

    You like to complain a lot about PvP yet you run the gimpiest templates. Period end of discussion.
     
  3. Widow Maker

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    I am so sorry you feel that way Farimir. Are you mad bro? Do you need a hug? I detect some hurt feelings. I am sooo sorry for killing you so much..if it makes you feel better. :love:

    Now...if you feel better..can you actually discuss the topic at hand?

    Turn on Factions in Trammel, let us hunt down and get the points from those cowards who never ever leave Trammel and yet wear our hard won faction gear.

    It is only fair and right, as long as Faction gear is allowed on the Trammel ruleset.
     
  4. GalenKnighthawke

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    This argument shows up periodically. It is yelled louder and louder but this, of course, doesn't give it any more merit.

    1. Factioners benefit mightily from having a place to interact peacefully.

    2. Factioners may, you know, want to experience other aspects of the game without having to make different characters. Note everyone can make many characters, one for each purpose. If we all did, well, then UO would be a single-player game in short order. What people complain we're too close to as is, a game where every player is a self-contained unit, would be finally actually at hand instead of existing mainly in the imagination.

    3. Far more common in my observation than the "Trammies" who get the artifacts and never go to Felucca are the Fellies who get the artifacts an then use them doing everything in Fel except Factions. The people you speak of exist, I guess, but the people I speak of appear to be way more common. You wouldn't believe how many times I and others have been made fun of in Global Chat by Fellies wearing Faction Artifacts for *gasp* actually playing Factions.

    4. Your word choice, "hunting," I think betrays your true intent. You want non-consensual PvP, in which case I ask you, why be in Factions, when it's by its very nature consensual?

    -Galen's player
     
  5. Tina Small

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    Perhaps consider playing on Siege if you want to be able to hunt enemy faction characters outside Felucca?
     
  6. (they ordering it online?)


    "Smatter?

    Tram fashioner's making you tough guys LOOK bad?
    [​IMG]

    your BEST solution is to turn into >> Faction Fashion Police?
    BWAHAHhahahahahah[​IMG]

    Will you be polite about it?

    "excuse me sir or maddam as the case maybe, but are you aware that you are improperly wearing the non-conformists uniform?"








    rich stuff![​IMG] keep it coming ... :danceb:
     
  7. Widow Maker

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    I very strongly, completely and utterly disagree with your first 3 bullet points. They do not have any ring of truth, according to my experience in factions, which has been since the very first day they went active.

    I left the fourth for a comment:

    If you wear faction gear...anywhere...there is no such thing as non-consensual PvP. Your point makes absolutely no sense what-so-ever.

    There is no "betrayal" at all. If you wear faction gear....you have agreed to, and you SHOULD be freely attackable at any time and anywhere by enemy factions. Period..end of story. Be it at Luna bank or farming SA or in Fel Despise. Anywhere..anytime. You absolutely agreed to it by joining the faction and putting on the gear.

    In all truth, the above statement simply says it all. There is no defence position to argue from, in any fashion. If you join, you agree to a life of fighting and living for your faction..everywhere, all the time and anywhere. THAT is what Factions are about. No arguements, no excuses, no grey areas. Simple, pure and black and white.

    Allow Faction hunting across all areas of this game. It should be done. It MUST be done.

    The game.... and the intent of Factions will be FAR better for it. You will also see a swift and decisive end to the abuse and exploitation of the Faction system in Trammel.
     
  8. Widow Maker

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    Siege...been there..did that. Dead shard. Sorry, no offence... but Siege turned out to be the Yugo of UO shards. A great idea when they first thought of it but the implementation of it kinda went south..real bad.

    I had hoped it would be like a classic shard.

    I was sorely disappointed.

    Um..no.
     
  9. Widow Maker

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  10. puni666

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    How about they fix it before they bring it to Tram. Then those players you never see probably wouldn't be able to keep wearing there special items...
     
  11. Oh My God! YOU ARE the faction fashion police !!!!

    You be getting "griefed" by a trammie tourist STEALING your faction rags?

    :lol:
    They be BLUE fashion tourists? ... :lol:

    fine!
    :scholar: embargo ALL faction rags and paraphernalia to Fel ONLY ...

    *dusts hands*
    done!
     
  12. Cloak&Dagger

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    That is what they are by your Definition? I ask because I do not remember them ever bleeding over.

    And what is with the string of poorly constructed Ideas lately, I mean is this really what is wrong with the game for you? People wearing faction items? I am sure I can think of 100 other things to do with factions that should be addressed before this one (and in conclusion would most likely fix this problem as well, but that is not the main point.)

    Also when I am in stat I usually do simple things like sit in Luna chatting, or perhaps there is something in Luna for sale I would like to purchase, I would really prefer it if while I am waiting out stat I can enjoy my time. (despite not being able to fully play, but meh)

    I can very partially understand people wanting to actually participate in faction wars out side of Fel, but your reasoning does not resonate with any of that. Do you actually participate in factions? Or do you use your precious "no one from tram should have items" To do champ spawns, or to just raid non-factioneers? Legit questions, since I don't play with you.
     
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    In order for that to happen they would have to allow red members of factions free access to all facets and make it were non-faction people wouldn't be able to aid or party people in faction in any way, otherwise all you would have is 3 blue people in factions running around tram with 10 non-faction cronies casting heal/cure/cleansing winds on the people in faction. The whole point of factions is to bring people into fel, and this would just turn it into stealth tram gank squads waiting for people to buy items or kill the mini-bosses in the abyss.
     
  15. Violence

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    Fayled, I have to agree with the OP here. You may personally not MIND, but that doesn't make it fair, so to speak. You speak of Fashion Police, but really.. Do you see any RL Army allowing their soldiers to take their full combat gear and extra mags with them when they walk their dogs or pick their kids up from School?....

    Faction Gear is for Faction WAR. You joined Factions to get in that WAR! Not to slack in Tram wearing their Artifacts, having bought them not with PVP Silver but with NPC Silver..?

    It makes sense. I'm with the OP as I said.
     
  16. 5% Luck

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    Add in an npc spy, "There has been some TB activity near Yew my Lord". For a small fee!
     
  17. Triberius

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    How about we get rid of a broken faction system that's exploited by players to enhance their game play outside of factions.


    Factions are
    A) Pointless other than for gear
    B)The Shadow Lords are banished, CoM, well no one really knows what the deal with CoM is anyways in great detail, Minax is the last of the "Great Evils" floating around that was related to factions, True Brits are still there, but the concept as far as story line for their existence is flawed beyond belief, considering Reds can join. The Story Line of the game has progressed beyond the relevance of the individual factions.
    C) Factions were poorly designed from the start and why keep a something broke running?
     
  18. Re:

    [​IMG]
    Dude ... SERIOUSLY? you HAVE TO? :lol:

    No ... I do Not merely speak of fashion police ... that is a direct labeling of what he IS ...
    and it is Also, technically >worse< than the crime he seeks to "solve" ...

    He is Pretending to be concerned about the garb and garbage going to waste ...

    all he is doing is hunting for SHEEP !!!
    BLUE sheep, trammies ...

    I suppose that for some
    [​IMG]

    :thumbsup: that that >maybe< a reasonable goal to seek, more easy kills ...
    however
    IF
    he were to EVER get a license to hunt as requested ...
    what might be the most likely outcome?
    More "participation"?
    HA!
    2 ... 3days top ... after the first kill ... :lol:
    Factions enrollment would likely DROP by (his estimates mind you) 50-70%

    :thumbsup: GG !!
     
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    As for your other >silly< point ... YES!!!
    A) you are talking about a >video GAME<
    B) 2 son's in service ... you are welcome, by the way.
    YES, I have seen rl soldiers dropping off their kids in full battle rattle, not often, but life happens and the wifey wasn't able to cover that assignment while hubby did have enough time to make it to the assembly point for yet another "drill in the field" ...

    And
    I have also seen carreer civilians, in uniform, available for purchase at a surplus store, >better< armed and ammo supplied .... heading to the gopher flats ...
    They just didn't >need< the body armor BECAUSE most of that game don't shoot back ...
    However ... I have actively avoided >the border states< ... where >reports< of sniper blinds and NVG, high tech comm/surveillance gear ARE deployed ...
    Toss in the open carry states and the ever increasing Concealed carry license class of concerned citizens, in the malls and auto repair shops ...

    yeah ...:talktothehand: your silly point is fail ... sorry. :danceb:

    Yes >I joined and fought in Faction wars<
    >the Trammies< under discussion here ... Did Not Join for WAR ... thilly ...
    they Joined for FASHION, Style ... this looks good on me huh? ... :lol:

    >I already< gave the competent/fair quick and easy resolution above:
    :scholar: embargo ALL faction rags and paraphernalia to Fel ONLY ...

    I'll point out ... that is ONLY one possible quick/easy solution, others have noted that there maybe others ...
    like having a functioning faction system ... ie ... one where an officer could KICK a slacker >out< ... rl armies call it chaptering, courts martial, discharging for cause ... :lick:
     
  20. Merion

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    This!
     
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    This is precisely what I feel is destroying factions. Since they introduced factions artifacts, champ spawns raiding guilds have gone factions. They are still champ spawn raiding guilds and they do not fight for their faction, they are just there for the artifacts.

    They will attack anything that is not in their guild, included faction mates. This is far worse than trammies joining just for the stuff and hiding in an other facet.

    IMHO, the additional properties on faction artifacts should be active or non active depending on the success of your faction (no towns, no bonus). Each town would activate some properties. You want the bonus, then fight for them!
     
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    There are 7 character slots on almost every shard.
     
  23. 5% Luck

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    Im fairly sure at one point we had the trammel order/chaos murders. One day unannounced, at least to most the order chaos war was legalized in the trammel facet. Tons of afk players were killed and looted not realizing being in an order/chaos guild was gona make them orange in tram!

    So ya That I am all for!
     
  24. Violence

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    Wha... Ohhhh right. My bad! Sorry. I forgot to add that indeed Faction Gear should just stay in Fel as a solution, so we do agree? Or..? *Confused* NM..

    You took my example too literally by the way. :redx: We both know what my point was in using it.

    .....And what's with criticising who wrote what and how they play UO? All ideas should be examined.
     
  25. GalenKnighthawke

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    I did not get past this because of the following.

    My first "bullet point," as you call it, was that Factions benefits mightily from having a neutral ground.

    Save on Siege, which has no Trammel (whether it has no physical Trammel or if it has a physical Trammel but Fel rules everyplace I can't remember), there has never been a time when Factions was active on Trammel.

    Hence you say something does not have a ring of truth when you by definition have never known a world when the opposite was true.

    -Galen's player
     
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    *nods*

    -Galen's player
     
  27. Mervyn

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    Would this mean i would have to buy another character slot to create a blue to pvp in trammel? Or would i be able to take my red into trammel to kill the oranges?
     
  28. GalenKnighthawke

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    Again, the real issue isn't the Faction gear being used in Trammel, it's being used in Felucca for non-Faction purposes.

    Are you prepared to have Faction Artifacts be useless in The Lost Lands or in dungeons in Felucca? I guess I have to concede the Yew Moongate for reasons that should be obvious to anyone who actually plays Factions.

    -Galen's player

    PS: Said reasons have nothing to do with random Yew Gate fighting.
     
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    I addressed this as well.

    -Galen's player
     
  30. Tina Small

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    Any chance you and your guild would try it again? There's no longer a daily cap on RoT gains (there's still a daily cap on stat gains, however) and lots of SoTs and SoAs for sale all over the place and advanced training dummies work on Siege just like they do elsewhere. Training up a character no longer takes months. It can be done in a matter of weeks or maybe even a few days, depending on what you're training and how you manage the training. Power and stat scrolls in all denominations are a heck of a lot cheaper than elsewhere (as is most everything else you don't buy from NPCs) and sold by several players who regularly do champ spawns. And if you join NEW and stay in good standing until you "graduate," you don't even have to worry about buying power scrolls to kick off your training because many players on Siege donate power scrolls to NEW to be handed out to newcomers.

    There are also people who sell soulstone tokens if you don't want to buy them yourself and you can swap skills among your soulstones all day long as often and frequently as you want.

    Imbuing is also alive and well on Siege and you can find nonfaction artifacts for sale just like elsewhere. Crafters can also get runic kits just like everywhere else. And obviously you can also hunt for silver to buy your faction artifacts. Some brokers will also trade your gold on production shards for Siege gold.

    So, training and getting yourself geared up on Siege are very doable if someone is willing to accept that your battle character won't be finished in three days and faction gear costs a bit more.

    What else might be a problem for you and anyone else who wants to be able to hunt enemies across the whole shard? Is it the lack of insurance; the ability to only make one character per account; the lack of a volcano on the Isle of Fire and two sets of some cities and gates and places to plunk down keeps and castles; or is it something else? I'm really interested in knowing why more people don't try Siege. I love it there. RoT (the skill gain system once you hit 70.1 in a skill) is fantastic without the daily cap on skill gains. The economy isn't totally borked and every type of character (i.e., crafters, PvMers, other types of resource gatherers, and PvPers) is vital to the shard's survival. But, above all, the people that play there (including many with PK and thief characters) are some of the nicest I've ever met in UO and they daily go the extra mile to welcome newcomers and, as much as they can, try to keep things interesting and entertaining for themselves and their fellow players.
     
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    I have a solution. Doesn't Faction mean non-consensual in the first place? Why did you join? Answer: to hunt each other and play king of the mountain .Ergo ; It should be a Felucca option only and you cannot play unless you PLAY in Felucca exclusively; "stranded " in Fel for it's entire time in Factions.
    That would eliminate the use of faction items in Trammel and anything associated with Factions must be used ,bought ,or traded to orange only.
     
  32. Violence

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    Factions binding players to Fel? Nice.
     
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    I really like this idea.. but they should add that for champ spawns too!
     
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    I have 2 chars in factions whom travel here and there into tram but I would hate to be punished for doing so. If such a event were to take place there would have to be a ratio place that if your char spends 85% of it's time in fel all is good, less you lose your stuff.

    Oh, and please remove fordged pardons since we are talking about useless stuff that added little other than frustration. You want to murder 5 people without worry then be red like the rest of us or wait out your 40 hours.
     
  35. They Call Me Al

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    This simple yet brilliant idea would be the end all be all to A LOT of the problems in the faction system... There would be no more 20 player guilds joining factions, racking up points, grabbing faction arties, and running back to hide in Tram without actually doing anything faction related...
     
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    I have to agree, in general, with the OP.

    If you want the benifit of running around in faction armor, then just like the supposed risk/reward for power scrolls, you should have the risk as well.

    You want to run around in Tram in Faction gear? Then opposing factions SHOULD be able to attack you.

    Risk/Reward.
     
  37. Widow Maker

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    Umm..Fayled..we have all (Factioneers) begged, pleaded, asked both nicely and meanly for that exact thing for years. Thank you for catching on :)
     
  38. Widow Maker

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    This :thumbs up:
     
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    wow you guys talk like the faction gear is the best gear in the game..

    my faction guy only wears a couple pieces of the stuff, they dont suit pvm very well as when you repair them, for one it costs alot, and second whole chunks of durability drops off...

    my sampire HAD faction gear but it was being replaced once a month and it sucked, so i went out and built a suit..

    FACTION GEAR SUCKS FOR PVM..


    now for hunting in tram, i vote no..
    i dont want my faction guy to be chased EVERYWHERE I GO.. .

    sorry, its not practical.
     
  40. NuSair

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    Then don't be in factions or play someone else.
     
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    so you believe that 100% of your game time should be running around being chased by people?

    go play a different game, i like this one the way it is..

    move to siege, factions get every facet.
     
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    No, I believe that if you sign up for factions, that is what you are signing up for, especially now with the enhanced artifacts that factions gets to use.
     
  43. Faction - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary
    1: a party or group (as within a government) that is often contentious or self-seeking : clique

    NOT "non-consensual" ... :lick: should have caught that on your own guys ...
    Shall I link the definition of JOINED? ... :lol:

    Y'alls "problem" is that you won't identify yourselves AS a CLIQUE (points to definition)
    maybe because you can't act as a real life clique does
    Re: keeping out and/or kicking out the "not cool" players ... *snicker*

    whuat? you think tapping the stone to join ... is a moral contract?
    :lol:
    I would point out at this point in time ... some people flat out LIE

    in a ROLE PLAYING GAME ... 'tis the nature of the beast .... :lol:

    Again:
    No ... You may not have permission to come and "hunt" me in Trammie land
    I shall keep that despicable faction robe locked down as a boot/hoof scrubber at the threshold of my Castle/keep/shanty ...
    My mule uses it as packy saddle blanket padding (when returning with a fresh replacement) ... :lol:


    Bare in mind though ... either way you play the Faction pride game ... as the thread seems to indicate
    IF
    You keep the faction rags on that side of the gate OR you want to enforce the "consensual contract" of never ending battle on This side of the gate ...
    Faction membership roles WILL Decline further ...

    meaning that the OBVIOUS consequence of either is
    One Less REASON to bother with fel ...

    heh!
    Your "strategies and tactics" .... have a flaw ...

    carry on :danceb: ya put your right foot in, ya put ....
     
  44. just don't allow faction gear to be equipped in trammel? faction gear is pretty weak, besides the head slots, crimson cincture and primer.
     
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    wow is this really that big of a deal??? i mean come on..

    so what is it, you joined factions and you dont have anyone to play with so you think that cause you see others in factions camped in tram you should get to kill them too????

    maybe those guys actually DO FACTION stuff.. you know like make faction traps, or hunt faction silver.. or um lets see maybe steal the faction towns??


    my faction char does other things besides just pvp.. pvp is kinda lame the way it is right now and i DO NOT YEW GATE FIGHT... thats not why i joined factions in the first place.
    *dont worry it wasnt for these "free" "badass" arties that we are supposed to have*

    heck if i did yew gate fight i would do it on a blue, cause no reason getting my faction guy out to fight a bunch of non faction people.. all you end up doing is getting murder counts anyway.


    the stupid faction gear isnt such a huge deal to cry about. "OMG there is a trammy wearing faction gear, we should be able to kill him in tram" heh.

    i got an idea, instead of crying about people not playing factions the way you want them to be played how about crying about making factions worth playing at all...

    right now i dont really see any reason for anyone to join faction.. not even for the outdated gear.

    blues give you murder counts for pvping.
    reds cant be healed unless you want to be guard whacked in town.
    reds cant be resurrected unless you want to be gaurd whacked in town.

    and stat takes you out of the game for 20 minutes
     
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    Lol the person posting is terribad at pvp when they get alone so I assume they would only pvp in tram if they had like 5 people :) That being said how about this. If you join factions and go to tram your orange to everyone :) Being in factions you choose pvp gameplay so why would you object to non stop fights? :) Remove the ability of factions to mass gank in tram and this idea would be sexy :) Would you agree to allowing anyone attack you and single you out widow? :)
     
  47. Ender

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    Just have the extra properties disappear when not in Felucca. Or, although it would be harder to code, when not fighting enemy factions.
     
  48. icm420

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    I don't get the big deal with factions. Overall I think it makes the pvp weaker because people are scared to die. Also what makes you think faction guys are blue? **** I really have a hard time with this blue pvp stuff, if you fight all the time then you are red.. why because you kill anything that moves. So the goal here is to make blue faction players allowed to kill blue PVM factions in tram? Yah this does nothing for me, I don't play much faction and I'm all red. I think the only thing the new faction stuff did was make hard to get artifacts worthless. The Orny is about the only one still valuable. I have 2 or 3 pairs of inquis sitting in a box that I can't sell.. YAY FACTIONS!

    Seriously tho don't come complaining about factions unless you played when there were no artifacts. If you played during this time then I may listen, because you played for the enjoyment of fighting with risk. Now it's fast fast and more fast, add in lots of gimps and armor that is too easy to get for the rarity of it. The only server that factions makes sense is siege, because if you die you are loosing your suit so you might as well take a 20 minute time out also.
     
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    hey, what's that picture of - Dev's and bug fixes?
     
  50. Goldberg-Chessy

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    No offense but IMO factions has always been broken & gimp.
    It simply promotes ganking and staying up all night.

    The gear is gimp & I dont care who wears it. Nobody deserves it.