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Let's talk about the recent tension/happenings here on GL

Discussion in 'UO Great Lakes' started by kittykat, Mar 8, 2009.

  1. kittykat

    kittykat Journeyman
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    Hey everyone,

    so let's talk for a few moments about what's been going on here on the GL forums. I know there's been a lot of unrest and even talk of going to another website. I also know that everyone feels very passionately about this, so I wanted to step in and talk about a few things relating to Stratics without being involved personally so that hopefully ya'll can understand where we're coming from.

    First off, in general talking about and promoting other websites is fine. This includes guild sites, informations sites, etc etc, and I am sure you all know that promoting certain things is, well not so good or allowed, like cheat sites and the like. Today's specific issue is uopvp.net - there I said it *smiles* - so yes, it's okay to mention it, and none of us, Mystra included, ever meant that it could not be mentioned again.

    So why all the problems? Well frankly it's because some of you are really getting carried away here and have started using this as your *weapon* to attack others and attack Stratics. That's where we start running into problems. It's just not okay to troll and attack others, no matter who they are. That's where Mystra's dictate came from originally. He is just trying to keep order here on the forums, well, because that's what he's here for (yes, in a perfect world, we'd all be nice to each other but ya'll *know* that doesn't happen without intervention).

    Still, even he (and the rest of us) agree that it's not fair to just completely outlaw mention of a site. Truely, if ya'll want to go somewhere else to talk in a less restrictive environment that's just fine. Likewise sharing that place with others is also cool. We never want to supress that, because hey, if you're having fun trashing each other there, you can let go of it here *grins*. But there's a limit here to what you can do. Please be aware of the following...

    If you have a place you wanna list in your sig (assuming it's not A Bad Place) that's cool.
    If you want to respond to people that ask something like "hey is there another place I can go to talk to others" that's even cool.
    If you want to trash Stratics while you promote your site - man, that's just not so cool.
    If you want to trash other people by bringing this site into it - that's Really Uncool.

    Some posts might get removed, if they are breaking the rules - nothing has changed there guys/gals, and I think ya'll know that. Behave like you're supposed to and all will be cool. We also might ask you to change your sig if it's getting out of hand or just totally rude - again that's not changed from anything before. Honestly, this is more about behaving on the forums than about one website and nothing has changed in that regard.

    I do hope everyone understands where we're coming from here, however if you want to discuss it further, I am really listening. Post here if you want, I'm completely cool with that BUT I expect you to be civil and behaved. Mystra, myself, and the other admins will do our best to address your concerns.

    Thanks all...(and remember, behave *grins*)
     
  2. Mystra

    Mystra Guest

    I had to bring the BIG GUN in on this one guys, I am thankful to Kittyat for helping me get clarification here and setting the record straight. Now lets try to play nice and enjoy the forums they have provided us.

    Mystra
     
  3. Chaoskitty

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    So why delete the thread where Mystra called out someone for misbehaving? I saw no one being rude or crass in that thread at all. And just for clarification, you are no longer saying you will ban people for the use of a site in their signature correct? I think maybe in addition to being thankful to KittyKat, maybe you should admit you were wrong, and apologize? or at least one of the two? I just really get frustrated with moderators that let their power go to their head and/or clearly show a biased look at something they are modding, as in this case. It is not your job to be partial to any group, INCLUDING one you belong to, unless you are modding some sort of fascist elitist site where it's a rule to abide by.
     
  4. kittykat

    kittykat Journeyman
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    It was sending out the wrong message - it really wasn't the way Mystra intended it to sound or the way things were intended to go here, so we both decided to start fresh. Sometimes it's just better to start over and so that's what we did; no upset intended for anyone (and yes, you are correct that for the most part no one was rude or crass - just that everything went with the first post).

    This is correct. For *just* listing the site in your sig (such as your sig does), that is perfectly fine. Just remember that ROC applies to sigs too so if you put something really rude there, then you could be in trouble.

    Although I'll let Mystra answer you, I do know for a fact that he regrets that things got so confused and out of hand. Remember that he is trying (as we all are) to keep this forum a place where many people can come together and share a great experience and good friendships. Modding ain't easy :) but really he's just trying to do his job here. Hoping ya'll can understand that.
     
  5. Mystra

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    What I tried to do was control a situation before it went too far, I knew as I as posting it that it was wrong to limit such behavior without exclusion. As I and Kat have both said we dont want to not encourage any new site or discussion thereof, thats the reason we started over . It was discussed, my opinion was asked ( to which i suppoorted the continuation of such signatures and advertising that did not negatively affect stratics). As for your accusations of impartiality I will leave that to be discussed in another forum Pm and Admin or email one of us . I am totally against defending myself as moderator of this forum for which i get nothing but grief for my efforts. I dont ask for apreciation but respect for the time I put in trying to mediate between ROC, ADMIN and Posters. Please If you think I am the wrong person to do this speak up and let someone else try . I wont be offended in the least .

    Mystra
     
  6. BloodstoneGL

    BloodstoneGL Guest

    So we cool?
     
  7. gjohnson5

    gjohnson5 Guest

    I can say he does have a history of overreacting and being self righteous
    Unfortunately the heavy censorship and clear bias does remind my of fascism and I tend to post on other sites.
     
  8. Mystra

    Mystra Guest

    Yes we are cool
     
  9. BloodstoneGL

    BloodstoneGL Guest

    ................:heart:
     
  10. Aibal

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    TY kittykat and Mystra. That is fair, and certainly all I commented on earlier. Nice to see this resolved in a manner that still allows Stratics participants to promote another, worthwhile site.
     
  11. kittykat

    kittykat Journeyman
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    of course ;)

    you're welcome
     
  12. hydro

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    kittykat
    are you auctully a UO admin? or just an admin on these forums?
     
  13. kittykat

    kittykat Journeyman
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    A UO Forum admin :)
    basically I'm an admin for the forums, but my area is UO (as compared to wow admin, eve admin, etc).
     
  14. Lady Lava

    Lady Lava UO Senior News Reporter
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    I have been around these boards more years than most and Mystra does not have a history of overreacting nor being self righteous. If so I have never seen it.

    History shows it has not been easy being a Mod or for that matter a reporter for Great Lakes.
    We are lucky to have Mystra and lucky that he has stayed true to GL and to Stratics.

    None of us are perfect but we all try our best and have the shards best interest in mind.
     
  15. Magdalene

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    A little addendum, because of the post that just got locked.

    No internal issues from other forums should be carried over to Stratics. No calls for help from admins, lost password issues, etc. etc. This is not a support forum to other forums, sorry.
     
  16. Mystra

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    Also I would like to point out that if you wish to question a decision I or another Mod have made or inquire as to what happened to your post it must be done through PM, Email or in my case you may use ICQ if you wish. We will not entertain such questions on the public forums it falls under " Discussing Moderator Actions "
    I will always answer you I promise in any other venue and not on the forum.
    Thanks
    Mystra
    ICQ 7489459
     
  17. FDAU

    FDAU Guest

    So honestly has the other website hurt you yet? I mean your post count is way down the views must be as well ( i know i go there way more than here anymore) maybe if erv expands for other shards we can hurt stratics enough in the pocket that Hates proposed rule changes start looking good (hits = ad dollars)? Not slamin mystra your to good a guy to do that just asking the questions.
     
  18. Shadow

    Shadow Guest

    lol at that sig.

    truth is though
    [​IMG]
    I don't even have to be there. Koolaid man can't be wrong though...


    Bubbled horde TN
    soon to be Rickrolling Alliance Nazjatar again
     
  19. FDAU

    FDAU Guest

    BC banzored me long ago right after I posted screenies on the site of them getting repeatedly pwnzered 10v4 pwnt. PwNt is a recent addition to the banzor list since I disagreed with the direction the guild was going, cant have dissent ya know.
     
  20. Piehunter

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    Mystra's a guy?...
     
  21. Mystra

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    I am .. for what its worth when Uo first started I got my wife to make a fisher, she used the name Mystra ( Its an old D&D goddess of magic) . Anywhoo after getting tired of fishing for MIBS all day ( back in the DAY when such things were Uncommon) she got bored and quit. When I took over as Mod I used this screename and her in game female fisher to run events such as gathering of the Guilds and the like.

    there ya go some useless trivia to fill your days !
     
  22. Lynk

    Lynk Grand Poobah
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    GREAT STORY
     
  23. Saleena

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    *agreed*