Our last PvP discussion post since they closed the PvP thread lasted for record amount of time before it was closed, and rightly so. Shall we try again? First, please go and read the Rules of Conduct. http://vboards.stratics.com/faq.php Done reading? Good. Let's see if we go even longer. Since War and I were having discussions in the previouly locked thread, hopefully the mods will let us carry on here, provided we do not break the rules. First let me explain the comment in post #71 "Awwww War Ultima...methinks your nose is way out of joint from so much tweaking it. " That is my way of saying that my posts seem to be annoying you. You mentioned that English is not your native language. That explains why at times I have difficulty understanding some of your posts. Would you mind if I ask you to clarify something I don't undertstand? You are also welcome to ask me to clarify posts of mine you don't understand. I do commend you for making the effort to learn a language that is foreign to you. From post #74 "I like UO especially a group of you cussing at me in game after I cheapshot someone and ruffles many people were pissed when I stated you (that's why I know you worth 1 point) you should be glad. No one else in cop but you are that concerned about protecting your guild from things that they are not supposed to know." If you cheapshot someone, is it really a surprise you get cussed at? Some COP cuss, some do not. I am in the group that doesn't. I expect to get killed while PvP'ing so it doesn't really bother me all that much. Yes, most the time I am only worth 1 point to kill. I am squishy and die a lot. I still have loads of fun. As for being concerned about protecting my guild? Most of the members are very capable of protecting the guild...I do not worry about that. From post #74 : "Apperently you are not happy enough to keep pas member who likes pvp in your guild. You are not happy for others to prove your points false with physical proves while you have nothing but "I believe" and "I think". Let us keep chars in COP and plz don't kick PAß members in your guild that wants to experience pvp. Its a game you should be happy, don't do things to hurt those people's feeling by kicking them." You are correct in that I do not want a member of an enemy guild, PAS included. It is a conflict of interest and against the rules of my guild. If you cannot follow the guild rules of COP, then you shouldn't be in COP. If a PAS member wants to experience PVP, they can learn thru some of the other PAS members that are experienced, such as Sickshine. With regards to COP, they can leave PAS and join COP. COP is a great teaching guild. I say this from personal experience. I have learned more in COP how to PVP, than in any other guild. As for me being not happy that others prove my points false...hmmm. First you have to prove them false. So far, you haven't. Regardless. I am usually a very happy person and someone proving my points false, does not make me unhappy. When others give what they know and see, it adds to the total picture. For example: Let's go back to that Harry I participated in where PAS was helping SCAM. I know what I saw. SCAM did not kill PAS. It was my assumption that SCAM had called in PAS to help. Okay, you say that SCAM did not call in PAS. For the sake of argument I will believe what you say. Until you said that, I assumed SCAM had called in PAS. By you saying no they did not...it added to the total picture. That is the only raid that I participated in. Any others I cannot comment on because I was not there and therefore cannot add to the total picture. Understand? When I say..."I think" or I believe" it is because I realize I am seeing the situation from my perspective and drawing conclusions based on what I see. I very seldom say this is the way things are, unless I KNOW they are a fact. War...Let's try to keep this post going ok? I think we can discuss PVP without violating the Rules of Conduct. This goes for anyone that wishes to discuss PvP. Agreed?