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Discussion in 'UO Siege Perilous' started by SoulWeaver, Feb 14, 2009.
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Dude... Your addiction to pixel is alarming... *winks*
So is his addiction to whining about thieves...la
Yeah? Make a good snag?
Well to be honest. The theft of one of the roses from the table, between then the EM unlocked it, and when he tried to pick it up, was out of line. I know this is seige. But the EM was trying to make this a nice event. He could have simply had no roses for display, not go through all the trouble he did. Just had them in his pack. So to try and take advantage of his kindness was a bit much.
I agree as well, it's a lil screwed up that "Red" did that. But whatever he returned it and on we went. Dam thieves.
Buying Cupid Roses Please? I need 5 more!
man when you got mad skillz, you just gots to use em!.. You if anyone knows abot that Soul...
Red you shamed the brotherhood when you returned the rose. The EM started whining like a Trammy about calling devs.
This is Siege, there's nothing you did wrong.
I had it in my bank... but thought EM Alchor was "cool" and to be a good community person, returned it. My opinion has since changed towards Alchor and regret a bit returning it. Oh well, one less dumb piece of pixel in my house.
I was a little confused by that, as well. Tonight's was the first EM event I've ever attended on Siege...so when EM Alcor said:
EM Alcor: Can I please have the missing rose?
EM Alcor: Otherwise I will have to get the authorities in
EM Alcor: And I will be far, far less tolerant of thieves again
EM Alcor: I let you walk around unmolested
EM Alcor: and steal from people
...it made me wonder. Was he really being lenient? Isn't this the Siege ruleset throughout, or does it differ depending on the occasion?
It would be nice to know such things in advance. (I'd rather not attend if the rules are to be altered
I think it differs depending on the occasion to be honest.. not saying the EM shouldn't of been more careful and had it thought out better to when he unlocked the items but he did his best. Thank you all for giving him a break.
Red did nothing wrong. Stealing the rose all most ranks up there with killing Lord British. If he didn't give it back it would have been deleted anyways
-----> trammel <-----
Actually, he did. He gave the item back, lol. Talk about an instant classic memory for Siege lore...now that lore is tainted...he returned it, lol. Even if it had been deleted, he could take claim that the devs had to step in to revoke his steal. Hell, the least he could have done is to request an EM item in return for the rose...a little token to hold for memories...rofl. Nice grab anyway Red...la
Ditto, nice grab red. You should have kept the rose though. It seems the EM fits perfectly here on SP. Something goes wrong for him and he whines and threatens until he gets his way. Welcome to siege EM!
Guys he's new hes trying to the community by holding these events... If you dont want him im sure they can send him to another shard and he can hold it else where in trammel. He's trying to get a few things going here. No need to give him a rough time doing it.
YOU NEED 5 MORE?!
Well I only have 4.
Maybe they should have selected someone with Siege experience, so they might know what to expect...la
May you should go put in an application...
Seriously. This is hardly us giving him a rough time. We are discussing where he messed up, perhaps he'll read this and learn from it?
I admit, it does make an awesome story for a thief to make a grab such as that, but I just feel it was in bad taste. As stated, he set the roses out and gussied the hall up for us. For someone to act like that is just a bit ridiculous in my eyes. Wasn't being able to steal from the well stocked reds enough?
Perhaps he'll just make it a no steal zone next time and you "thieves" wont be able to contribute stealing from the people at the event...
Bah, you guys weren't well stocked. Granted I did get a few items, but nothing to write home about...la
That's probably his next step anyway. Although, its not like it would really affect me or any other thief really.
Are you still whining about this? Sheesh. Like I said, you had no problem killing other players, but you have a problem with people stealing from you? ROFL.
And just to clarify, the stealing skill wasn't used to take the rose...la
When I played a thief, the importance of items went like this:
If I was a thug thief:
-Steal to annoy
-Steal to make defenseless
-Play stabby until they drop
If I was a disarm thief:
-Steal to annoy
-Steal shiny weapon, especially if it was nice.
The first one though, was why I stole. I knew everyone hated thieves, I added nothing to the community and pissed everyone off, and I loved it. The best feeling ever was stealing a vanq weapon and scurrying off with the entirety of Brit gate on my coat tails.
That's great. Personally, I don't play a thief to annoy. But if that's why you did...WONDERFUL!!!...la
Keep trying Rico. I like how you say la after everything too, are you Galad, did you ever play with LuT? or COP? Probably not, but keep reaching and trying to be like someone who was actually a good thief.
Actually, I did back on Atlantic I played with Galad, Joe, Jelly, etc...however nice try on your part. I've used "...la" since 1988, long before UO was around...la
To clarify, that was Evil Galad on Atlantic, but I did talk Neutral Galad into starting Siege, he just ended up quitting before finishing his character. FYI, none of the Galad's were thieves...they were looters. Bad Manner ^^ ...la
Was referring to LuT in general.
Hmm.... aside from the shiny weapon stealing, I didn't see any good reason to play a thief on that list.
Well if your a thug thief, steal to provoke, and kill. Free kills, no red. And steal to make defenceless ties in with thug, or for raids, Even if it was a PvM raid back in the day. I loved thief. Was fun.
Yes, I played with some of them on Atlantic, but also played with them on a shard not to be named...la
This server seems to be sounding more and more like trammel.
What gives, theives are suppose to steal?
I just dont see why people wouldnt expect and/or prepare for thieves and not allow themselves (the EM) to be in that position.
Red that was a very nice "scoop", sorry you werent allow'd to participate in the second part of the event. I dont understand the logic behind that one but oh well. Nice guys finish last apprently.
Whats next insurance?
Its nothing to do with trammel. It woulda been nice if he coulda kept it. Dont get me wrong. Great grab. However, many enjoyed the events. And that was the most people I have seen on the same screen all at once in a long time. So although it was a good steal, and he did deserve to keep it. If that meant that he just got item deleted, gained nothing, and the EM started going super strict on the events, and or holding less, then we all lose. And what has he gained? A super story about how a GM had to come delete his item? Comeon really. Wish he coulda kept it. But I wouldnt wanna see events ruined over it. And now I bet next time there is no displayed prizes, or he has orange efields up around them, or invis walls preventing you from getting close. And really that ruins the atmosphere of an event. And restricts game play. And if he made a thief free zone, then that would suck too. I was getting revealed and snooped at event. And it was all good. Thats thier job. And I didnt carry anything worth crap on me. Some aids, and regs. About it.
So for someone who quit, you sure do seem tied to opinions of a game, and shard you do not play.
The past few EM(s) appearances were its(their) learning curve. Even in Trammel people can pick things up once they're unlocked. This kind of silliness was only restricted to EM(s) who did not think of the potential outcomes involved. The brotherhood has already shown that no one is above the lawlessness.. we did this to teach, else we would not have let it be public knowledge.
And if future events ban thieves it shows what sorts of Trammelization you have stooped to just to have an EM. Public events in a private home? Come on people.. that smacks of bias and almost guarantees bans/exclusions based on personal issues.
This is Siege people, you know it. Hate us if you will, but we are part of the reason you came to Siege. We keep you on you feet and keep you from getting careless with your loot. We all know that a vet Siege player would fair 100x better than a regular Trammel vet on a given shard.
Next time an event is held, it had better be in public places 100% of the time.
I agree 100% sweeney. I have no issue with thiefs. Hell I used to play one. And would play one again if I had the SS for it. And I agree it was thier stupidity. Sure as an EM or GM it doesnt show when something is released, or if its locked down. So simple repeated pulls would net you an item. Which is what happened. And I dont think that the red did anything wrong. He didnt break any rules, or use an exploits. Nor do I wanna see events not be 100% public, with reds, and duals, and thiefs. As I agree this is what seige is based around. However I do think it was a little low of a move that could have/can ruin future events. And well events that bring the shard together are far and few between. And a major boost to the RPers out there. So there was nothing for him to gain from taking it, and not returning it. Since the item would have been deleted (not that I agree with that, but we all know it woulda happened), chances of a GM or the EM giving him anything as a trade, is about what we all expect....0%. And without returning it, he threatened to choke back on the thieves. And well that crimps not only your game. But mine aswell. If I wanted candy land, I woulda went to trammel/prodo shard when I came back to UO, or Id go play WoW. Not what I want, Not what many want.
I agree better be 100% public, 0 restrictions. But if this keeps happening again, you know its gonna become a 90% seige, 10% trammel over time.
Strong words... But you left out the or else part. *laughs*
There is no or else.. having events in private places shows the bias involved in holding said events. Laugh all you want, I thought you were at least, in game, for all templates. Stick up for the shard man.
*smiles* I am for all Siege can be, all "templates". Pretty sure that is well known. *nods* Disrupting events... no.
Red's theft would have been among the legendary Siege thefts, had he not given it back. He did so out of the (irrational) kindness of his heart. He gave everyone involved some excitement. Event disruption? No, just a learning experience. We all know Alcor-bunny-lover could have gotten a rose by another-same name for the winner and it would have smelled just as sweet.
And if I may add, the EM whined about "Allowing thieves" and never even gave a thanks when the rose(s) were returned.
I have known Red for a long time. he is kind and even funny. He is a pleasure to share the game with. He is a fun guy.
You on the other hand are not. *notices a personal attack* I will give you a moment to edit...
Personal attack? I didn't know EMA was so close to you.. or did I? Nonetheless I shall edit my post. After all this is Stratics not UO, and EMA is not a member here, thus holding no grounds for such action.
Personal attacks are never good. A sign of weakness in my opinion. Thank you for complying to the rules.
Add something to the discussion or start giving infractions.
*smiles* As you wish...