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Discussion in 'UO Siege Perilous' started by Diablo FTW, Sep 5, 2009.
Pm or icq me for make a deal
From duke : seller beware,
diablo: Blessed tokens and blessed check
Thank god, for blessed, huh?
Duke, I like you and have kept my mouth shut on the matter...
but you got "scammed" legally. He took advantage of the situation. I think many people, if they saw someone with an unblessed item and wanted it, they would kill that person. I don't condone how it was done(with the idea of a trade being done for that item) but you can blame your loss on one of many things:
-Lack of game mechanics
-Lack of PvP skill
That is it. You don't need to yell "SCAMMER" at every thread, lest you want to become the new GoodGuy.
A scam is a scam either way. If i would have been standing at the bank and someone comes up and kills me that's not a scam but if i make a icq/post to do a trade and then you kill me for the item it's a scam. I'm making sure everyone who deals with him is cautious because i was not given warning about him and his ways or i would have never even traded with him. I could honestly care-less what people call me, they'll just go on ignore with the other 5 people.
It may be a scam but really this is Siege and if you don't know you can trust someone, then you should know the risk and be careful.
Really, it is not illegal to try to trick someone. You could had used a vendor for the trade.
You left yourself open for this scam, he took advance of it.
And if someone should ask you if he can try (your personly blessed) item on, don't come here and cry if you let him try it and not get it back.
Duke - Consider the following scenario
You buy some expensive items off a vendor, the vendor owner pops out, kills you, loots the item and puts them back on the vendor for sale.
Scam or not?
Hey this is total bs what im hearing from some of you...wtf is legal or illegal got to do with deception? What puffy done to get the 20 mil valued (at that time) inquis gloves wasn't illegal either but it was still deception and it still makes him a piece of dog ****. Just plz don't try to make right and wrong about what ultima online considers legal and illegal cause that crap won't fly here. The kid made his own bed now it's time to man up and lay in it and live with the "buyer beware" tag. It's ok he's a big boy, he will be alright.
If Cheapsuit pops out and kill someone who just bought a item off of Molly's vendor then no it's not a scam, but if Molly herself pops out and kill the customer then yes it is a scam, setup or whatever you want to call it.
It's not RL, it's a game where we do have thieves, murderes and other evil chars. I'm not saying, what they did is ok but you can do alot to protect yourself against it.
I do see a "buyer beware" sign over the head of every seller I don't know I can trust, better be safe than sorry.
Also if someone try to stand to close at me at bank, I will move a little and check if he do have evil karma, he could be a thief.
If someone want to trade with me in an unsecure way, I will consider the risk before I accept or refuse.
If Molly popped out and killed the customer it would be nothing short of a miracle, she going to bash him with her sewing kit?
This is a subject that keeps getting perilously close to breaking RoC, can we drop it please?
Name Change Tokens without scams
No the items weren't real life items they were virtual items but the betrayal that he and "puff daddy" uses is as real as it gets. Yes the theft took place inside a video game but they did not use the stealing skill, they used the real life human betrayal skill to deceive their victims using a virtual world to do so for their own protection. Make no mistake, these are real life scum bags and not just virtual ones.
There are risk everywhere on Siege, I think I would hide before buying it and then use my Siege Bless on it before I move on.
I'm not sure I would care who the killer was as buying expensive items at a vendor always will be a risk. A thief could be hidden too.
Yes I will drop it, my post was made before I seen your post...my apologies.
Evil Roleplay is allowed too, it is not limit to the stealing skill.
Ok Molly, I will stop too
Diablo, as a peace offering i'll sell you a Name Change Token for 7 million gold.
Sorry...that wasn't evil roleplay Freja. It was him just taking advantage of a nonspoken rule about trading.
I agree though...everyone is well aware of Duracel/Vas's past behaviors so perhaps it would be best to not continue to post about it each and every thread
I agree here. If I have to be scared of trading every time I trade, I make less trades, or only trade with people I already trust. If everyone did this, the economy here would go down the tubes even more -- if that's even possible!
Also true of course.
I did not say this case was evil RP
Actually everyone is not aware of how shifty this guy is if they are new to the shard. Should Duke go intoa tirade about his story everytime Diablo is trying to sell something? No, but I see no problem with a quick, one line, "buyer beware of face to face trades with this guy".
Most of us post when a transaction goes as expected as both a compliment to an honest seller/buyer and as an advertisment to everyone else that "hey this dudes someone worth doing business with". True, there are no in game penalties for the kind of antics Diablo and Puffy like to pull but such actions should and do have consequences within the community.
The same can be said of the recent Soulweaver incident; I was considering upgrading my uo wealth and he was probably the guy I was going to go with until the recent events surrounding Critical's account surfaced. He deserves a second chance but I am sure people will be wary of him for quite a awhile.
A tarnished reputation is hard to live down but can be done by making amends to the wronged party and by ceasing to engage in such activites. Saying you are sorry and pulling the same crap over and over will not help anything. It takes time to re-build trust and having your business threads spammed up by someone you screwed over in a business deal is a consequence of having screwed said person over in a business deal.
All that being said, I think people deserve a second chance as I also recieved one years ago after a houselooting incident when I deperated UDL, but it did not come without taking alot of hard knocks from the community at the time.
Hell, I had to use a false name for about 3 months on tradespot to avoid having my buy/sell threads spammed up.
People do not deserve third chances tho..One time can be considered a mistake and/or learning experience. Twice is a pattern of behavior.