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Lost time or time invested?

Discussion in 'UHall' started by Boogy, Sep 20, 2010.

  1. Boogy

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    How much time do you all think you have spent playing this game?

    Im guessing im in 20k+ hour range.

    Also do you consider any of it lost time or time invested? For me some of my greatest memories(excluding the birth of my two WONDERFUL little girls). I used to have 10-15 RL friends that played. I also PvPed with people that I didnt know I knew in RL, and made RL friends with people I met in UO.
     
  2. Ls Jax Ls

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    Over two years of your life? Very doubtful.
     
  3. MalagAste

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    I don't even want to hazard a guess as to how many hours I've played over my 9 or 10 years at least of playing maybe it's 11...

    But suffice it to say that I feel it was time well spent.

    I've made good friends both in and out of game... I've met some wonderful people... I had a good time and it's kept my sanity and reduced my stress... so time well spent.

    I'd rather play this than take prozac...

    I'd rather play UO than become an alcoholic...

    I'd rather play UO and meet fun new people than veggitate in front of the TV all evening...

    I don't regret at all any of the time I've spent playing UO.
     
  4. Boogy

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    Doubtful why?
     
  5. Ls Jax Ls

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    UO has only been out for 13 years...to have played it for over 2 years is kind of impossible.
     
  6. Boogy

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    Im not following your math, I have played since December of 97.

    The T2A era was just was when I most addicted.
     
  7. Tek

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    For me it seems to have gone from time invested to time wasted.
     
  8. Beer_Cayse

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    Play 16 hr/day for 5 day/wk over 2 years = about 8300 hours. Over a time period of 12+ years and allowing for a decreased play of 6 hours/day * 5 day/wk for 10 years, we have 15,600 hours approximate.

    15600 + 8300 = 23900 approximate. So 20-25K hours is not unreasonable if the daily dedication is as stipulated. <shrug>
     
  9. kulder

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    To me it was and still is time well spent, I have made great friends in game and have lost great friends in game
     
  10. Beer_Cayse

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    FWIW it's getting that way for me. barring workload, it's been at least a couple months since I logged in for anything other than to patch up. <shrug>
     
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    Time invested, I think, since I returned in '08, for three reasons.

    First, since my return, I have had the opportunity to become involved in the leadership of a large guild. We typically vary between 500 and 700 members, which represents about 100-200 actual players. In other words, we are about the size of a mid-sized company. It's not easy to manage such a large group of people--with conflicts, dramas, guild splits, weird virtual romances, and a host of other issues. However, I have learned a ton from my guild master--a 20+ year mid-level manager irl--about organizational leadership. I'm only 24 years old--where else would I be invited to run a group of people this size? Thus, my gameplay has been an investment thanks to the leadership training that I have received.

    Second, thanks to UO, I have had the opportunity to volunteer as a reporter for UOLedger, UOThief, and UOStratics. This has given me the opportunity to practice creativity (not my strong point) and writing. In fact, since 2008, I have been employed full-time as a writer: first as a fiction writer and now as an academic writer. Sure, my reports did not represent real-world events and I don't plan to attach them to my resume, but I still consider my experience to be valuable and instructive. Thus, I consider my gameplay to be an investment thanks to the writing practice that I have gained, which has translated to professional development.

    Finally, my involvement with UO has helped me discover a new passion: building virtual communities. Initially, I was given the opportunity to administer my guild's forum community, which has around 700 members. Mags and Petra have also allowed me to be involved in managing the Stratics community as a moderator. I have also started creating forums for other groups and I love every minute of it. Without UO, I would never have discovered this love. Without my guild and Stratics, I would never have had the opportunity to learn about various forum software: XMB, MyBB, phpBB, and vBulletin. Thus, I consider my time in UO to be an investment, as it has helped me acquire greater technical knowledge and identify a previously-undiscovered passion.
     
  12. Tina Small

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    I think the answer to your question asking if time spent playing UO is time lost or time invested probably varies for everyone and could even vary during different periods in their life.

    During the five and a half years that I played UO, the only really positive thing that I can point to as a result of playing UO is making some friends around the globe that I know I wouldn't have made otherwise. Only time will tell, however, if ultimately I end up valuing those friendships more than the time and money I poured into UO that I could have poured into other things instead. It's probably not something I will ever be able to determine, because a good friendship truly is priceless.

    Unfortunately, it's a lot easier for me to mentally tally up the many things that feel like negatives that resulted from playing UO (e.g., money that could have been saved/invested or spent on other things; RL relationships that suffered or, at the least, didn't flourish as they could have if I hadn't been playing UO; RL skills and hobbies I could have worked on instead; healthy activities I could have participated in; books I could have read; classes I could have taken; etc., etc., etc.).

    All those negatives, however, are at this point just water under the bridge, because there's no way to undo what's already happened.

    What I can do, though, is move forward and perhaps evaluate things more carefully. Most days since I quit playing, it's been pretty darn easy to decide in favor of "real life" activities and people in lieu of virtual ones. I've been picking up old hobbies that fell by the wayside as I became ever more engrossed in UO and have picked up some new ones, such as photography. At least with something like photography, I know that the pixels I'm "creating" or manipulating really belong to me and, unless I'm really an idiot about managing them, they're highly unlikely to just go *poof* and leave me, in the end, with absolutely nothing to show for the time and money that I put into "collecting" them.

    :)

    Will I ever go back to playing UO? I honestly don't know. I know the urge to play remains strong, as evidenced by my still lingering around these forums. But so far, I've resisted that urge and have been able to avoid downloading the client again and starting up any of my subscriptions again. An old old version of the legacy client is still installed on my hubby's laptop and I've been very tempted to log on to the one account that's still active (it has about five days left on it before it runs out) and run around and see which houses are still up, etc., but so far I've been "good" and kept myself from starting up UO and letting it patch up and then log on. Now if I can just get through the next couple of days, that temptation will go away too and I'll just have to focus on how to "give up" U.Hall. LOL
     
  13. NorCal

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    Totally possible if he was playing 8-16 hours a day over a four year period. It would be a little extreme though. I know people that play WoW this much.

    As for wasted time naw. I don't see any difference then watching TV 8 hours a day. If it harms your personal life, friends, realtionships, work or school then yeah it's wasted time.
     
  14. Luvmylace

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    What he said
     
  15. BajaElladan

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    Hail Citizens,

    Like much in Life, perspective matters. Is the glass half full, or half empty? Do you only see the cloud, or rejoice at its silver lining? We are beings of Reason, Passion, and
    Will, and are often ruled by one of those 3, or the waxing and wanings of some combination of those 3 components.

    Perhaps money spent paying to play Ultima Online could have been better spent elsewhere, but would it have been? Perhaps time could have been better spent elsewhere, but would it have been? Moderation and Virtue are both positive influences in life, rather real or virtual. Addiction and obsession are both negative influences in life, rather real or virtual.

    I began "investing" resources (time and money) in Ultima Online upon its Launch in 1997 when I was 42 years young. Much of the time and money were shifted from Television, movies, and pc solo games over to UO and I often evaluate the amount of time and money "spent" on UO in order to balance them with the rest of my life.

    I have many "virtual friends" within Sosaria, and have met several in real life and now call them not only virtual, but real, friends. The only "enemies" I call by that word in Sosaria are unruly animals and other creatures of evil.

    Ultima Online provides an almost infinite number of choices to its Players as to how they choose to enjoy it. Numerous skills which may be combined into, again, near limitless "templates." Warrior, Mage, Bard, Author, Poet, Crafter, Realtor, Entreprenuer, Sailor, Fisher, Hunter, Gatherer, Gardener, and on and on and on. Protagonist, antagonist, mediator, chronicler, modifer, collector, hoarder or sharer.

    Play a role, be a he, a she, or an it. Virtuous, reprobate, fallen or redeemed. I believe a large part of UO's wide appeal and endurance are its enduring, yet expanding, world and its lack or absence of any "end game solution." It is a virtual though persistent world which marches forward, both while we are present and while we are away. The more a Player limits their choices the more the risk of boredom may arise or increase.

    All of that aside, UO was designed to include a multitude of Players, per Shard. Real or imagined, widespread perception is that player populations are down on all or almost all Shards, some more than others. As much as I enjoy the virtual world of Sosaria, and am able to do so by myself, I find nearly infinitely more enjoyable when well populated with far more Player Caracters than at present.

    I do not consider my time in UO lost time, anymore than my time living, however, I'm not sure I consider that time an "investment," either. EA holds ultimate control over Sosaria. While I may have and play a role in Sosaria and its potential future, EA controls its destiny. I have yet to hear any official representative from EA declare their intent to raise player populations, per Shard, let alone their vision or plan to achieve such a goal, nor to perpetuate UO from one generation to the next.

    I hope EA and its employees have such intents, goals, and plans. I welcome them sharing those with "we, the Players," soon, and over continuing months. Having spent much time enjoying Sosaria over the past 13 years, I'd very much like to spend even more time enjoying Sosaria over the next 13 years, and hopefully beyond.

    I will believe that to be likely and possible more easily if and when our populations once again begin to grow. Stagnation or steady declines will almost certainly result in UO's demise, even if Sosaria continues.

    As I perceive or see the glass half full, I remain an optimist in believing UO's best days remain in its future. I hope I am proven correct. If not, I shall treasure my memories of UO as long as humanly possible.

    Lord Elladan of Trinsic/Baja
     
  16. Sturdy

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    A thoughtful post! If there are any other "virtual community" geeks out there that want to see a great forum/community check out

    [TMP] The Miniatures Page

    This is a miniature war gaming site (toy soldiers) The forums are incredible and the community is very well behaved. The forum owner makes a living running it and it provides a real service to that hobby.


    On the OPs question- not wasted! UO replaced TV for me in 99. No TV since then-none. I have left UO for other games but have never gone back to the demon box.
     
  17. Boogy

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    On the OPs question- not wasted! UO replaced TV for me in 99. No TV since then-none. I have left UO for other games but have never gone back to the demon box.

    I rarely watch TV these days, but I do own a few of them :)
     
  18. EricVT

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    99% time lost/wasted, 1% worthwhile memories.
     
  19. Uvtha

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    Everything is a waste of time. Some things are just more personally and societally acceptable.

    My opinion on UO and games in general as a way to spend your time depend on the mood im in. But usually I feel like its a waste of time, but I don't really care so much. :p
     
  20. Cear Dallben Dragon

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    After basing by the recorded statistic that i have played 12 days of MW2 in ~/< than a year, and that i play an estimated 5x more UO than i do MW2.. I have played 2.14 years of UO in 13 years. But thats a very basic statistic as i was around 11 when i started playing UO. Consider it for an older person.
     
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    Honestly, I have no idea how much time I have spent. Do you consider going to the movies, watching TV, reading a book, making a phonecall "lost time"? I think playing UO is a form of entertainment where you can actively influence the course of things and communicate with human beings. Still much better than watching TV, if you ask me.

    I don't own a TV. And I think I spend much less time in UO than most people spend watching TV.
     
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    i disagree. I'd go so far as to say that doing something you enjoy is NEVER a waste of time. It USES time, but doesnt waste it.

    This covers everything from spending time with your children, playing a video game, going for long walks, watching a good movie, going to a sporting event. The list is endless.

    This is what time is for. If you enjoy it then its time well spent, not wasted.
     
  23. Lord Chaos

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    You sound in dire need of a social life with that much play time. :/
     
  24. popps

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    No idea how many hours of my life went into playing UO but it was quite a lot...

    Am I happy of spending that chunk of my life in that way ?

    Sometimes I was, sometimes I wasn't.

    When the game was helping me forget about my real life worries I was glad about it, when the game was actually causing me stress rather than healping ease my mind, then I'd consider it not as well spent.

    A balance ? I am not sure as the human mind tends to forget the bad memories faster than the good ones (luckily..) but on a gut feeling I would say a positive overall balance.

    Still, if I think how much money I could have made in real life if I used the time spent playing UO on work rather than playing......

    Oh well....
     
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    My greatest gripe with time is that it can never come back.

    Once it is gone it is gone.

    And what is worse, is that time is not worth the same as in regards to one's own age.

    For example, most people middle age or older that I have met would love to get their teens' time back and yet, when one is in the teens age time is not seen as an assett much.....

    The perception of time is not the same in people and may vary depending on one's own age,

    For example, to someone who can make 100 bucks an hour with their work, does it mean that 1 hour playing a game (or doing else) is costing 100 bucks ?
     
  26. Taylor

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    The pictures are incredible. I have never been involved with miniature war gaming, but I can definitely appreciate the art. :thumbup1:
     
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    This might be long ..there are so many things. At the other hand I dont post often=P

    Feb 1 2000 my sons brought home a copy of UO. I was so against this. It was expensive paying per minute and they were not too motivated in scool, always been a bit lazy. They were 12 and 14 and their English wasnt too good. We had a lousy computor . I had never touched one , never was interested. I was working 80% at the hospital , took an hour to get there. Taking care of home and kids and garden (big) on my own, and evenings and all free time I worked with my hubby in the farm houses.

    I helped them with the language and reading stratics , running forth and back from the kitchen..and ofcourse I became hooked on UO and they gave me the 5th char on their account.

    This was a new world ..

    The boys were amazed there was something they learned at scool that they had use for already when they were kids. English became their best skill at scool. Tey got a kick from the feeling they were good at something and the teachers praised their improvements... so they started to improve in other classes as well! (One is at uni soon a finished programmer )

    And old mum soon got comps at work. Im a radiograph so lots of comps. This was scary for most of my working mates. I was terribly unskilled when it comes to handle comps..still am... but I felt the LUST to work and learn ..I was like pavlovs dogs drooling when I stared at the monitor. It helped me this mad period of my working life. Also more than half of my English I learned from reading Stratics.

    I believe me and my sons wouldnt have much incommon theese days if I had not been invithed to their world and learned their kind of humor and life style. Its easy for a stressed parent to be a bit negative and ignorant about things they dont know about.

    Theese days I cant work any longer due to a general artritis thing. Had it all my life and my mom had the same so I guess I lived very fast doing everything I knew I would not be able to do later. Im slow im tired and I forget things. But UO still have so many things to offer. Everything but pvp actually. I am too tired to keep up with old rl friends but all the lovely people I met in UO from all ower the world is a good substitute!

    I have learnt so much about ppl and other countries and what makes us different or the same. It starts with the chars meeting eachother and you find people behind them that you sometimes become really fond of! And you mingle with ppl in different ages,I love that, im not particulary fond of elder ladies stuff..rolleyes:

    UO for me today is the best entertainment I could have. TV can be sooo boring. In UO there is always someting ..or even more than you can keep up with. And things to look forward to. And be concerned about:eyes:

    Should I really post this? oh well..
     
  28. aoLOLita

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    Over past ten years, too much time spent - but not wasted.

    I once saw a sign that said: "Time spent enjoying yourself can never be considered wasted time."

    UO remains one of the cheapest "hobbies" I can imagine.