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Luna placed house on GL tonight.

Discussion in 'UHall' started by SixUnder, Jan 31, 2013.

  1. SixUnder

    SixUnder Legendary Assassin
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    please contact me, i have someone who wishes to speak with you.

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    house sign says Brewmeister....
     
  2. cdavbar

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    Brewmeister. Go figure. Also known as Popcorn and Dingleberry. Anyone that has any brains will not buy this house.
     
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    he placed a house 4 down in luna the other day.
     
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    3 now since RTB in luna, hrmm something funny about that. there was 40 people there at last 2 trying to place
     
  5. cdavbar

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    He has placed at the least, 3 Luna houses, and 3 Castles in a span of less than two weeks. Each of these lots had at least 20 visible people trying to place, and in many cases more. Yet Brewmiester/Popcorn/Dingleberry is the only player placing these HIGH value lots. While it is not impossible to be that damn lucky, it is EXTREMELY improbable that it would happen.
     
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    when devs/gms or whatever you wanna call them go to the extent of dropping houses rather then allowing them to fall on their own or even create a system so that they do (so that there is no interference with the players), I think that says it all right there. For the rest, just read between the lines.
     
  7. cdavbar

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    These were not dropped by a GM/Dev. Contrary to some belief, OSI owned houses will have no placement timer after falling and can fall at any time during the decay cycle as long as it goes through one complete decay cycle under OSI ownership. However that is another issue for another day.
     
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    Well he missed the castle I got and keep a friend got.
     
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    Mesanna drops OSI houses personally, She "promised" me that is a PM a while back, But then again, I don't believe alot that she says anyway, unless she only drops "bugged" OSI houses, either way She messed up royally on a castle osi on europa that day before i finally called time on this game.........
     
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    It is my understanding that the houses Mesanna drops herself are done that way because there are items inside them that need to be removed beforehand.
     
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    If it was OSI due to suspension/investigation, I could see why a Dev needs to drop it. Usually items within those houses are also deleted if past history means much. However, It is impossible that Mesanna is personally dropping every OSI house. You must remember there is a built in game mechanic for houses with vendors to go into OSI mode for a specific minimum time period. When house placement delay timers were implemented, they did not code OSI houses to have that delayed timer.
     
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    If they are only removing certain items, and not all items, they need to let the houses fall by previously stated housing decay rules. To do otherwise leaves an unfair advantage since Dev drops work the same as OSI IDOC's.

    The same goes for the opposite where huge plots of land are being preserved by Dev's when that land could be used by a current player (example, Silverbrook GL Runebook Library). Those plots of land should have been allowed to fall. There was no vote, nothing, even the owner of the accounts did not care that they were falling, why should we?
     
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    Because it was a valuable and valued resource for the community?
    I believe that there's no shortage of placement spots on GL requiring that this resource, used by many, needed to be lost?
     
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    wow guys, sorry to say it but please, common sense

    anyone here really think that messana (or any dev) is checking each shard looking for OSI houses then check each container/item inside that house just to figure if its legal?
    OSI houses does happen because rental vendors. Easy to try it on TC, just using a 2nd account to get a rental vendor. That way you can cancel/claim the vendor once the house is OSI and learn what will happen on the house.
     
  15. cdavbar

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    That is up for debate, there are still plenty of libraries ran by ACTIVE members that are actually better. I still think it should of been maybe held for a vote of some sort. Properties that large should not be "preserved" without one.
     
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    This is the library on the Great Lakes shard, the rune library situated north of Minoc, that is causing all of this weird hand-wringing, in a thread that's supposedly about Luna placement?

    If that's what I'm thinking of then the preserving of this house appears to have been perceived positively, not negatively, by the shard taken as a whole. I for one have used this library only once that I can recall but I have heard of others using it and further it seems to be perceived as an historic site.

    I use the Nameless Rune Library, a library run by an active player. But I fail to see any value in complaining about perceiving a seemingly important location. While the active shards are not as empty as folks claim as far as housing, it's not like housing is not available, and this particular plot being unavailable would not seem to be an obstacle to, well, anything. With so many rational sources of complaints out there, why seek out yet another cause for complaint?

    This thread is the first complaint about the library's being preserved that I've heard.

    If this is something else other than the rune library north of Minoc then it's something I haven't heard of. (Though I have never heard it referred to as the "Silverbrook" library before; that's the name of a former player on GL, one who to my knowledge never had a rune library.)

    -Galen's player
     
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    its my understanding that if you get the time of the fall exactly you can time precisely what time to place a house.

    guys i run with dont believe in script placing, swearing that the script is unreliable, can easily break and do more harm than good. the length of time between the fall and the new placement window time is very reliable however as well as knowing where to stand and what tile to target. it is sort of an art form.
     
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    If you would read my original response that included the library you would have seen how my mentioning it was relevant to the OP replies. After Petra's response you expect me to keep quiet and not defend myself :coco:?

    As far as your response, didn't your troll just do the same thing as you claim I had done? Furthermore, before you speak for the majority stop being pompous and hold a vote.
     
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    In the past. Now on normal IDOC's there is a random placement timer on that plot after the house falls. This means that once the house falls, it can be anywhere from a minute to hours before you can place a new house on that land. This timer however does not apply to OSI owned houses or Dev controlled drops.
     
  20. SixUnder

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    41 people were trying to place for 2 hours and 1 minute before being able too. None of these were OSI on GL.
     
  21. SixUnder

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    what a joke.
    random timers on the RTB houses, yet he is getting all of these? please, no one is not that lucky. Some of the castles on atl had ot of been near 100 or more placing.
     
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    I was clear that I based my reply on the lack of complaints until this seemingly-unrelated thread, and on my general impressions -- not the same thing as claiming to speak for the minority in the manner you are, willfully and incorrectly, attributing to me.

    Given the propensity of holding multiple accounts, and the ability of people to confuse the issue on ballots, holding votes in a UO context would be pointless, even if this kind off issue would lend itself to voting, which I believe it would not.

    -Galen's player
     
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    I am a loss as to what you were defending yourself from. I did not attack you, merely offered a possible reason for the action that was taken.

    I am also at a loss to understand why it matters so much that this particular house was preserved when there is ample space to build elsewhere on the shard.
     
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    he is refering to how all plots, "worth anything" across shards are being placed somehow by just one person. Not insenuating anything, but i dont call that coincedence.
     
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    COME ON, there just really good at a placing :rolleyes:
     
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    Yeah, he's almost robotic at it!! ;)
     
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    Okay, I vote that you're actually the one being pompous. Seriously, Mesanna saved a community resource. There's nothing wrong with that. It's a spot for a keep, yes, and there are limited spots for keeps, I agree, but the value to the overall community that uses that resource would have been a huge loss. Sometimes, and thankfully in this case, Mesanna is in a position to do something that is a positive for the entire community.

    Stop whining about a small spot in game that benefits much more than a single person. I applaud Mesanna's aid in this one, and am quite thankful she did what she did.
     
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    Sorry for the late response, I was out of town for he weekend. I apoligoze if you thought I meant you were attacking me, what I meant was that I was defending my stance/comment about the Library. I may not have worded it the best in my haste.

    I am not opposed to saving historic landmarks. But I found it funny that an about half split of people I have met and play with in game even knew about it. Something that should be labeled as historic should be something that the majority feels that way, usually with a vote. Furthermore, why would we save a house when there are other, better ones, that are maintained by account owners that even if they don't play, are at least paying for it. A few people contacted the account owner who specifically stated "I don't care" when told that the house was falling.

    Again, sorry for the late response as I was out of town, anymore discussion of this is like :bdh:. I simply had one opinion that was directly related to the OP thread that got blew out of proportion and has effectively derailed a thread that was important.
     
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    First and foremost, the value of a historical landmark such as the one that was saved has nothing to do with who knew it existed. Heck, maybe now, a wider breadth of people will come to know of its existance. But honestly, just because a handful of people you polled don't know it existed doesn't diminish its value.

    Second, and almost as important, how many people do you think would vote in favor of saving a landmark versus allowing it to decay so that they would gain a possible chance to earn a keep? I mean, not to put too fine a point on it, but you'd never find a "majority" of people on Great Lakes that would look at a landmark as a landmark. Some people would do exactly as their guildmasters told them to, some wouldn't care at all one way or another, and the remainder might call it a landmark and ask it to be saved. Thing is, there's no hard numbers, and it's not like it should ever really be up for a vote to begin with.

    In fact, it should be handled exactly as it was. Someone asked Mesanna to save it -- maybe a great many someones -- and she reviewed it and made an impartial decision. That's as much as it needed.

    First off, your idea of "better" is subjective, as is anyone's. Thing is, a house maintained by an account owner allows the account owner to access and use a house -- the house that has been saved is now owned by Mesanna and will never ever change in any way, shape, or form, save that it looks different from player housing. It is now owned by Great Lakes. As for the person who did own the account and "didn't care" his house was falling, that may be true, or it may be conjecture. Who knows. But the community spoke up and ask that it be saved, and Mesanna decided to do so. Sort of the end of the story here.
    I don't think this is beating a dead horse... I can understand where you're coming from. I do, however, think that voices in the community acted to save a resource they felt was important to the community, and a good deed was done for the community. Regardless of individual player or former account holder, a valuable resource yet stands, and, I truly believe, is a good thing.