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Magic Arrow/Nether Bolt

Discussion in 'UHall' started by LetheGL, Jul 28, 2010.

  1. LetheGL

    LetheGL Seasoned Veteran
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    Am I the only one who thinks it is ridiculous that these two low level spells can be spammed for a damn near constant damage stream? If this is considered kosher, then I suggest magic arrow be allowed to do damage every time it is cast as well.
     
  2. chuckoatl

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    you can make it so it does.
     
  3. Alezi

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    The only problem I have with this combo is that the casting text just vanishes somewhere every time someone spams these two.

    Otherwise they're fine, people use 400-480 skill points to be able to do that.
     
  4. longshanks

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    it can be disrupted.
     
  5. A Rev

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    If you get a curse of and chain those spells correctly you can never lose!

    It can not be interupted long enough to get a decent heal...at best you may hit 1mini before the chain starts again.

    Mystics in general are the lowest skilled pvpers around.

    4 spell offense is the max most cast.

    Curse, Plague, then the nether magic spam.
     
  6. Mervyn

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    In a way, this first post is a fair point, I actually abuse this oversight to the full, however, i think if they fixed this it would completely negate the use for netherbolt, after all it does chaos damage which means 20% of the time it won't do much damage as it will do physical, i propose you should be able to follow a magic arrow with a netherbolt however not visa versa, this way you can't chain it but can cast one after the other.

    ALSO : :thumbup1: CAN WE MAKE MYSTIC SPELLS APPEAR ABOVE PLAYER'S HEADS AND NOT HIDDEN IN SYSTEM MESSAGES. I do really feel like i'm cheating when player's can't see me cast.

    P.S please do not respond to this thread if you don't play in fel.
     
  7. G.v.P

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    Heh, it took awhile for someone to complain about this one :). In SA Beta, Nether Bolt had no delay at all, so I requested they change it to operate exactly like Magic Arrow. I'm not sure if you're serious about wanting Magic Arrow to have no delay, but that would be a horrible step back.

    Arrow/Bolt spam works well as a finisher, but it's burst damage. If you can kill someone with only Arrow/Bolt, you have to be really good, lol. While I cast a 12-18 burst, a dexxer can hit me for +35, so I think it's fair. And I mean, dexxers have no delay on their hit spells, and let's not forget a dexxer can have ninjitsu and practically hit an extra lightning 3/4ths of the time. Maybe someone should look at delaying THAT (half kidding). Also, as mentioned in this thread, the full-on mystic mage is already investing 480 skill for the ability to micro manage all of the spells. I agree mystics can be gimp, but I only agree because of spell plague.
     
  8. G.v.P

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    I agree, but Bolt has a fairly specific sound. If you can't tell what someone has casted on you based on the sound/effect/graphics, then you need to pay more attention imo. It seems like Mythic has fixed damage numbers, so it be nice if they fixed everything else as well. Still, I don't know why anyone would PvP w/o an open journal and a speaker unless they have a tiny monitor or some weird setup issue, which, again, if you're going to PvP, and you're going to try to do it cheap, well, you'll be at a disadvantage.
     
  9. LOL... funny... not even the OP and wants to set posting rules for UHall. :gee:
     
  10. Mervyn

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    My mistake, meant to say please do not respond to my post if you don't play in fel,


    Also, to the guy who said you can tell the mysticism spells by animation and sound, this is true, but the point is you want to see them casting it to be able to prevent them casting spells, ok netherbolt doesn't really matter, but spell plague etc, you need to be able to see mystic spells being casted.
     
  11. LetheGL

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    ya, by exploiting a loop hole.... I am just suggesting using the same sort of delay for magic arrow/nether bolt as is used for chain magic arrow currently.
     
  12. LetheGL

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    I have not used sound in uo for years. I get caught off guard by death strike now and again. If I know the person I am fighting uses it, it's not too hard to pay attention to the message on your screen.
     
  13. A Rev

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    I would be agreed with this.

    I mean, think of this example.

    A Great mage against a crap mage. Now 99% of the time the great mage should win right?? Ocassionaly the crap mage may get lucky (C.P).

    With a nether bolt magic arrow spam, it is nigh on impossible for even a great mage to cast through it. This spam would take the win rate of the great mage probably well below 50%.

    If your trying to use it on dexxers, unless your going for the burst spell plague finish...waste of time! This though is about balance, at present it isnt.
     
  14. G.v.P

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    What is a great mage, though? A great mage to me is someone who can kill you without using 5th circle or higher. A great mage should probably be able to move away or forward as well, hit with wep if they go forward, or regroup to counter if they go back. A well placed weaken should break the cycle.

    The only thing I would suggest, if enough people think the Arrow/Bolt combo is an issue in Mage vs Mage PvP, is to make it so 120 magic resist has a chance of completely resisting all 1st and 2nd circle damage spells. I mean, a great mage can do a heck of a lot of damage with arrow/harm wep hit (esp. w/ hit spell proc via Myst.) as well ;p. Not sure it's anything new...
     
  15. A Rev

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    A great mage is not about killing someone with 4thand lower level spells. Its about timing, its about giving yourself time to load up on big spells if needed. Its about being able to keep someones poison ticking long enough to be able to kill the with and exp/invis. Im not a great mage btw...i would put myself as just above average at best.

    A well placed weaken will NOT break netherbolt/magic arrow spam for long enough to do anything productive (except maybe start your own). A weaken followed by magic arrow will disrupt the first and 3rd spell of the chain but then the 2nd will disrupt your next cast so they again get the upper hand again.

    Any more randomisation of mages will not make more great mages, it will make mediocre mages like myself survive / win more. I love casting focuse for example as it helps me greatly. A Great mage will argue it actually makes it harder.
     
  16. red sky

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    Nah, you all have it wrong. A great mage is someone who will kick your ass regardless of what template you are running. =/
     
  17. G.v.P

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    Ahh okay ... well if you're of the opinion that, I assume, every secondary casting skill introduced since necromancy has devolved pure mage PvP, then I would agree there. I'm not claiming to be the best mage either, I just value a user's ability to micromanage the faster spells, because to do it legit is tough. I think it is more challenging to kill someone without the use of exp/eb/fs ... and without spell plague or spell trigger, heh.
     
  18. Restroom Cowboy

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    This is a problem for some? Carry magic arrow scrolls and make a seperate key to use the scrolls next to your main magic arrow key...problem solved. You will now have the same ability to spam magic arrow (MA, MA scroll, MA, MA scroll,ect) in the same manner as magic arrow nether bolt. Plus it doesn't cost you an additional 240 skill!
     
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    I think mages should be able to move and fire if they sacrifice Int for Dex....what do you think about that? Why shouldn't a high dextrous mage be able to ? Harry Potter can, and he's only a 6th yr...till November :gee:
     
  20. Ls Jax Ls

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    Nothing wrong with ma/nb spam. You have several options to combat it such as mini healing, disrupting, or poisoning them forcing a cure.
     
  21. Baldguy

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    What If I am deaf? This is a big oversight on accessibility to handicapped. Lots of spells and effects and timers are aural cues only, leaving the deaf out of the picture.
     
  22. Mervyn

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    So does that mean if some players have lost an arm they should halve the amount of spells and change the movement from the mouse so you can play with one arm?
     
  23. spoonyd

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    Giving away trade PvP secrets to the trammies Undies? Shame on you sir. You're grounded.
     
  24. Mervyn

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    I don't know anyone who bothers to do this, or who ever has tbh, it's just too much effort.
     
  25. G.v.P

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    If you're deaf, you can clearly see the nether bolt graphic, which is still distinctive, as well as the damage numbers, hopefully. Don't get me wrong, EA needs to make sure damage numbers and spell power words appear, but there's no middle ground really; the majority of games do not actively consider such handicaps as being deaf, and you would be at a disadvantage, in my opinion, unless EA implemented some sort of vibration technology, or you could use a subwoofer to get some feedback (not trying to be funny, just considering what technologies could improve gameplay if you can't hear).

    When I first played a game called NBA 2K10 (2K Sports), the first thing I noticed about the game was the font the game devs used was very, very small. Upon reading some message board posts on the game, one concerned father asked how to turn on closed captioning in the game to help his son, who happened to be deaf, follow the action better. Here I was complaining to myself about the tiny text in the game without even considering what it would be like to play with tiny text and no sound. Unfortunately for that gamer, NBA 2K10 did not support closed captioning, and I will assume most games do not. Hopefully developers will be more considerate in the future.
     
  26. Restroom Cowboy

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    Aww shucks...*kicks dirt and looks down at his feet*