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Make 20 skill bonus from 4 years a token please

Discussion in 'UHall' started by NBG, Sep 5, 2010.

  1. NBG

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    Charge people to allow new account to get that extra 20 skill points please.

    I would pay 50 per account!
     
  2. Restroom Cowboy

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    I paid 12 bucks a month for four years to get it...twice...

    If you want 720 skill points...might I suggest either continuing with your current sub or else buy a vet account...there are plenty out there. (which mind you could be purchased for less than 50 bucks...in some cases)
     
  3. Warpig Inc

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    Naw 2 points per year on the age of an account. That way there is no waiting for a big leap and it maybe worth while keep accounts active beyond 5 years. I'm with the rest of the DoomSayers in like 15 years will never happen. And prove me wrong that a 20 year account with 40+ points is not worth it.
     
  4. Restroom Cowboy

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    Yep...that three grand makes it all worth it.
     
  5. Zezak

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    Making the 20 skill points age based was a bad idea. They should just make it available to everyone.
     
  6. NBG

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    I mean they did the same thing for ethy (3 year +) when they released charger..

    Buying account is good and all but unless they allow you to change the account name itself during the account transfer process, I still do not consider that a secure account transaction.

    It would only make them more money?

    Sale of new account will probably increase and they get to sell another token.
     
  7. Picus of Napa

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    At $15 per month I've spent over 2K on accounts for this game. There should be some sort of bonus for sticking with it all and paying a fair amount of cash to do so. As it stands there are two decent bonus's 1st= increased cap which stops after four years, 2nd soulstones. All the rest are eye candy till you hit the truelly high levels. Don't punish me because I've played the game for longer.
     
  8. a slave girl

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    I still like my idea of a stable slot token for sale.

    Not a token but recently I have been wishing for a house sign transfer tool, for resizing your house or trading houses between your accounts, that would transfer all the old accessed player names over to the new house sign.

    How about a token for our chars to be able to be co-owned to more than one house? One token per account for one extra co-ownership to one other account?

    Maybe a token for adding months to your account in the amount that we would normally pay per those months? Maybe $10 per month so to add a year of vet status to your account you would need to pay $120?

    Call it a fast forward token.
     
  9. it would make things fair, it's a very stupid precident that a player's power is limited due to account age. even ethies are considered cheap. there was a lot of protest when it was implemented on the pvp front.

    the 225 stat/700 skill limits where a great balance, and should've never been tampered with.

    i'd say give the 6 month accounts the +5 stat bonus as well as the +20 skill bonus, and give the +5 skill bonus of older accounts extra vet award choices instead for those first four years. or we can go the powerscroll route too.
     
  10. Cetric

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    i'd be alright with it if you could buy up ur acct at the same price as per month. so if u had an 11 month account, something like $370-$400 dollars to get to 4 yrs =)
     
  11. Mapper

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    I'd be happy with it being sold, Makes PvP almost pointless for new players.
     
  12. Ls Jax Ls

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    You guys are joking...right? Twenty skill points can be made up so easily...I have a character with 800 skill points, take away 20 I think he'd still be ok. Seriously 20 skill points means nothing let's pretend like you never said that.
     
  13. Mapper

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    Well I'm just one guy, I don't PvP so I don't know for sure but it seems a large disadvantage to me.
     
  14. MrMightySmith

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    well its definitely a balance issue and should be obtainable for new players. Almost like the time with Ethereal mounts were not usable for accounts under 3 years and that disallowed a new player from using the stealth skill, well with any success in my book. Same argument was said then with players defending it and how they should have it just because of the "entitlement" and others cannot even though it was a huge imbalance in the game (the charger's atleast give new players a chance now). So in my book you shouldn't get the 20 points just because you played longer because its unfair and like the OP said why not just have token for 40$ on the game-codes store?
     
  15. Sevin0oo0

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    and I'd like a transfer token for $29.95 from test to LS
     
  16. Restroom Cowboy

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    Only if it includes the full bank and air freshener. :lol:
     
  17. Lord Chaos

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    You paid to get to play the game, as a bonus you get veteran awards.

    The current system is bad, as it makes it so that people are more reluctant of making new accounts. I don't want to buy old accounts and I want a new account, but I don't start one, because I'll have to wait 4 years ontop of having paid for 12 years to get 720 skill cap.

    Because yeah, veteran rewards aren't useful. rolleyes: Not to mention your main bonus is that you got to play the game for so long.
     
  18. LordDrago

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    I don't look at it as punishing you, me, or anyone else who has already gotten the skill bonus. They are not taking anything away from you (except an advantage), but giving this same advantage to someone else.

    It is really just levelling the playing field, much like imbuing was intended to do.

    Perhaps some sort of ingame quest to perform that would take some doing to accomplish for the player to "prove their worthiness" for the bonus, and one that could be accomplished along several paths - (item turn ins, gold turn ins, PvP fights/wins/losses, etc.)

    This would allow newer players to level the playing field by actually playing the game.

    Obviously, the bonus would apply to each account, and only once per account, nobody spending 100 million gold and getting to have 1000 skill points!!!!!! :)
     
  19. Thav12

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    I have veteran accounts, paid for them.
    I do not think 20 points make that big of a difference.
    However, since in current day PvP 20 points do make a slight difference, and the balance is pretty tight, i can totally see why we should allow those points to be available to everyone from the get-go. In fact, just do away with the whole "points for veterans only". It is a pointless perk for most everyone, and it certainly does throw up barriers for entry level players in the PvP arena.

    I strongly discount this whole entitlement idea, that just because you paid your dues for 4 years you deserve 20 points extra. I suggest you can put a pink cannon that talks on top of your castle to show off, or something. Game mechanics should be the same for every one. There is already so much other stuff that is virtually unattainable by entry level characters due to the millions and millions of gold required...
     
  20. Trebr Drab

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    I agree (and I know you didn't mean this next part). This is why I think Powerscrolls, stat scrolls, this, and a few other things make the game too much of a chore for newer players. It's not that you have this stuff, it's the result that new players need to go so far to get competitive for PvP, looting rights, etc.
    I want the road to be long like it is, I just don't want it to be so dominant in the need. Smaller advantages.
     
  21. Babble

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    I would not pay $100 for an account
    :p

    Is the skill thing really that important?
     
  22. Thav12

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    I agree :) never paid money for an "older" account. Just been around long enough for my two accounts to both be veteran accounts... You can come to my house and see my pink talking cannon on top of it ;-)
     
  23. Gilmour

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    no wai! suppose to be perks about being veteran, something alot of other games is missing and im guessing a substantial factor why some people are still around.
     
  24. Xalan Dementia

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    leave the vet items the way they are and do something different about the 20 points for 4 year. maybe cut the time requirement in half? 2 year =20 skill cap boost? If we want the game to still be around in 4 years we need new players, and to help get new players we should at least give them the same skill cap as everyone else.
     
  25. Hurley

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    20-15-10-5 skill points more than someone is not an "advantage". There are items that add skill.
    My brothers account has a 700 skill cap, mine 720. We run the exact same template on our mages, but I have 120 med to his 100. Is 2 Mana regen more unfair? nope. I could come up with examples for any and every template.
    If they make 720 skill pts buyable then I want my 740, because I earned it.
     
  26. Lord Chaos

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    If its really no advantage, then its rather not so bright to argue that you need to have it and no one else can.

    Why even care if others get it if it gives no real advantage?
     
  27. Lord Chaos

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    LOL? Why would I keep my 12 year account around for a 4 year reward which I'd have regardless? I could just as well close my account and just play when I want to.
     
  28. Trebr Drab

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    Oh yeah, pick a skill that doesn't make that much difference.
    How about if you have 120 magery to his 100? eh?

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    Eh?
     
  29. Hurley

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    that was totally unintelligent (considering he could just drop a different skill by 20) but ill respond anyways

    Crystalline ring

    booya

    Why dont we just make it where everyone has 720 skills, ethies, all the deco, all the vet rewards for free. And you can set skills, and you never die and everyone gets along perfectly. A poll of 4th year or higher veterans should be taken if you guys want to do **** like this. Pick something to cry about that isnt vet rewards or pvp related, and I will never respond.
     
  30. Hurley

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    Because it's convenient. roflmao Why do you ever read my posts and respond so ridiculously?
     
  31. Xalan Dementia

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    Ok so the supposed vets that are against this seem to have trouble comprehending. You didnt pay for the skill cap boost, "but i paid for 12 years,blah blah blah" you paid for the GAME, not the vet perks. The skill cap boost was a gift, just like soulstones were at one time, and look they sell them now AND they are still vet rewards. So why would it even affect a vet that already has his skill cap boost to let a newer player pay for one? People say "just buy a vet account" how about we cut out the middle man and just pay EA/mythic for the skill cap boost.

    So why does the thought of all players having the same skill cap bother some of you? If they made it a Token from gamecode store then its a win win, the newer players can pay to get this one perk and guess what? the money they spend on it goes to help keep UO alive. Its not like we are saying give a token that makes the account a 12 year vet account, just a token for the skill cap. You can keep your ethys and other perks.
    Honestly think the ones arguing against this are just in search of something to argue about, or they just dont understand
     
  32. Hurley

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    The implementation of the Veteran Rewards system was based upon the idea of rewarding loyal customers by giving them exclusive items. You can buy Chargers of the Fallen (ethy), house teleporters (a 12th YEAR REWARD!), etc. instead of actually having to be loyal. I would rather see them drop the skill cap to 700 than to let people pay money for them.

    Honestly, I think the ones arguing for this are just in search of something to cry about, or they just dont understand that some people actually put the time in to earn their stuff. You don't see veterans crying every time a new account activates and they get 30 free days of play time do you? Enough said.
     
  33. Xalan Dementia

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    Why does someone fight so adamantly against something that HAS NO NEGATIVE EFFECT ON THEM.
    SKill cap token - more happy newer players - more money for EA/M - More goodness for ALL players. You paid to play the game, you got some gifts for being loyal. Stuff like the house tele kit and ethys I could understand, but what is so wrong about giving younger accounts alil help? You afraid those 20 skill points will allow a new player to destroy you in pvp? I honestly dont understand your issues with it. Do you sell vet accounts and are afraid itd ruin your business? Is it because itd bring in more revenue for EA? if thats the case then close your accounts and stop giving them that revenue.
    As it stands a brand new account will most likely never see 720 cap due to the fact that in 4 years this game may not be around.


    Now try to think up a REAL reason they shouldnt make this token.
     
  34. Xalan Dementia

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    yes ITEMS, they didnt add the skill cap boost till later as an added perk, giving more than was necessary to vets.
     
  35. Trebr Drab

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    Because it does have a negative affect on them. It affects their pwnage!

    My own feeling is that as a game, just selling stuff removes that much game play. Then again, just giving stuff away does the same thing, only for free.
    I wish players would want to earn stuff in the game fairly, instead of always wanting other means to get stuff, whether freebies or throwing money at it. But I know, people are people and people love to have easier ways to do things.

    It was kind of like when I was a little kid, and my sister would draw out the hopscotch lines on the sidewalk, and say to me "I'll give you a quarter if I can just run to the end and say I did it." And I didn't care about her hopscotch, and a quarter back in those days could buy a whole candy bar, so I said "OK!" It's like that. Only now it's game execs and Porsches.
    (And they don't care about our game either, in case anyone missed the reference. Not Cal, the big guys, the execs....you know, the Man.)
     
  36. domii

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    I couldn't care less about people who think they are "entitled" to some kind of age based skill or stat advantage over a new account owner because they have been playing x number of years. By now you should have accumulated enough wealth and game knowledge to have a huge advantage over newbies anyway.

    The last thing we want to do is punish a new player or even scare them away.

    You can keep your ethy polar bears, resurrection ankh's, fancy coloured robes and other veteran goodies.

    But skill points (and stat points) should be obtainable by all, regardless of account age.
     
  37. Lord Chaos

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    You care because its convenient?