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[Imbuing] Math for Weighting

Discussion in 'UO Craftsman' started by Sevin0oo0, Dec 17, 2011.

  1. Sevin0oo0

    Sevin0oo0 Guest

    I'm just learning Imbuing, and having a problem w/ the numbers.

    I was looking to see how much I could juggle around on a weapon, beforehand, to decide how much of what I could have, and how much I'd have to settle for.
    Knowing I only had x-amt of weight points to use (400-450max)
    As I increased each %, I watched the weight increase, I didn't know if it was linear, so I made a chart. [ex. if i wanted DI40%, it'd cost 80 weight]

    DI <1.0> 2wt per1% (from 1-50%)
    HCA <1.0> 2wt per1% (from 1-50%)
    HSL <1.0> 2.0wt per 1% (2-50%)
    HLD <1.3> 1.25wt per1%(from 2-8%) THEN 1.3wt per 1% (from 10-50%)
    HML/HLL <1.1> varies1.733-2.00wt per1% (from 2-62%)

    Works well (Simple), Except for those bottom two, Especially the last one

    Questions:
    Why does HLD have one rate at 2-8%, then changes from 10% on?
    Why is the bottom one all over the place?
    Why is my math all screwy?
     
  2. CorwinXX

    CorwinXX Babbling Loonie
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    The max imbue-able value for some props depends on base weapon speed and on SSI amount.
     
  3. Sevin0oo0

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    I knew I wouldn't make it clear, it is when your sitting here and I can point to it w/ a pencil.
    I had an exceptional radiant scimitar (DI=36), no other mods, so 202= tw

    examples using above numbers and the 202 min wt:
    DI: if i want 05%, then 2wt X 05=10; 202+10=212 tw.
    DI: if i want 40%, then 2wt X 40=80; 202+80=282 tw.
    Ditto for Hit Area or HSL - they use the same multiplier from min intensity to max

    HLD: if i want 04%, then 1.25 wt X 04=05; 202+05=207 tw
    HLD: if i want 08%, then 1.25 wt X 08=10; 202+10=212 tw
    HLD: if i want 10%, then 1.30 wt X 10=13; 202+13=215 tw
    HLD: if i want 40%, then 1.30 wt X 40=52; 202+52=254 tw
    Notice there are 2 'ranges' and 2 multipliers; same multiplier used anywhere in its range.

    Now, HML/HLL is all the place
    % - tw - Multiplier
    02-206-2.00
    05-210-1.600
    07-215-1.857
    10-219-1.700
    12-224-1.833
    15-228-1.733
    17-232-1.764
    20-237-1.750
    22-241-1.772
    25-246-1.760
    27-250-1.777
    30-254-1.733
    32-259-1.781
    35-263-1.742
    37-268-1.783
    40-272-1.750
    42-276-1.761
    45-281-1.755
    47-285-1.765
    50-290-1.760
    52-294-1.769
    55-298-1.745
    57-303-1.771
    60-307-1.750
    62-312-1.774
     
  4. Lorax_Pacific

    Lorax_Pacific Lore Master
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    I'm confused by your data. The radiant scimitar with 36% DI and no other mods has a total weight of 72 total weight. Are you saying it has 202 total weight? A weight above 72 with DI 36 means there are other properties. There is something there with a weight of 1.3 and is at 100% of max. Check for either super slayer, HCI 15, or HLD 50% on that weapon.

    I put HLD in my spreadsheet and watched the imbuing gump change. It follows exactly as predicted except it uses whole numbers and truncates the decimal.

    The HML/HSL are weapon speed dependant so I always do them last. They follow predicted if you don't add SSI.

    I think you can do trunc(intensity*weight*100/max) and they will come out right. The only odd ball I remember was velocity.

    -Lorax
     
  5. Sevin0oo0

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    oops, sorry, the 202 was w/ a super slayer on it too. i'll go recheck, sorry, i said I was new to this
     
  6. Sevin0oo0

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    Think I got it, maybe:
    There is no common numerical relationship of the "New Value:x%" to total added property weight.
    Nor any common relationship of the 'New Value' and Intensity%
    It is the Intensity % and Weighting factor alone that determine total property weight.
    There are no simple ways for the layman to figure this - use a spreadsheet or online calc, (like knuckleheads) is as simple as it gets

    a Big Thanks for helping me, I really appreciate it, I thought it'd be simpler. Also didn't know HML/HSL changed per weapon speed, ug. This is making me think too hard.
    For a simpleton, is there a general order that can be followed for a dexxer, like
    use relics first
    HML/HSL last
     
  7. Lorax_Pacific

    Lorax_Pacific Lore Master
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    Yes that is basically it.

    1. Make item
    2. Enhance if desired
    3. POF
    4. Imbue relics first. Imbue the highest intensity relic property first then the next lower, etc
    5. Imbue next most expensive resource cost or if you have the least of a praticular gem do that one next
    6. Enhance if desired and if you didn't in step 2

    I'm confused by what you mean by "...no common numerical relationship..." The (new value)/(max intensity)*weight*100 = Intensity. The total property weight is the summation of the intensities for all properties added to the item. Maybe I confused you in my earlier equation.

    -Lorax
     
  8. Sevin0oo0

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    What I meant by common relationship was I thought (or was hoping) there would be less steps than what you posted
    << (intensity*weight*100/max >>, something i could do easily in my head.

    Say if someone wanted a certain percentage of something to show on the finished item, multiply the number of percent wanted by a fixed number. Stop, move to next wanted. But, the weighting changes from one thing to another(ie 1.0, 1.1,1.3, etc), even within the same group it changes. Simply trying to remember what's what is too tough. Plus, and Using leech as an example, 10%(final leech) is not 10 intensity, the 10(leech) means nothing, more to remember.

    Then, there's the reason behind doing HML/HSL(wouldn't this be HLL instead of HSL?) last. Which (I suspect) is related to the max leech formula, which are more charts to remember.
    Max. Hit Mana Leech = (base weapon Speed*2500)/(100+SSI)
    I guessing by that formula that you could put more leech on a weapon than you could actually get? That's nuts, and quite a waste.

    For people that don't have excel sheets, the online calculator, formulas, and chart tables (uoguide), it's probably extremely hard, and frustrating - considering it's a Game, and supposed to be Fun (which is another thread in itself). Not saying it can't be done, just not be very efficient, providing the best bang for their buck.

    The only reason it's doable as it is, is because of people like you, and others, sharing the hard work you've done
     
  9. Lorax_Pacific

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    I get'cha now. After awhile you will be able to do it in your head and also you can look at loot without any calculator and identify higher intensity loot to keep. Imbuing will help teach you how to identify good loot. Once you make a bunch of suits and weapons it will all get easier.

    They could have made it simpler by imbuing rainbow colors like red is max, orange next lower, etc. or groups of possible combinations of high/low weight properties. The current method is more flexible to creativity. I kind of like doing math though and think all of it is fun. It's kind of a puzzle to figure out for instance you have superslayer on the weapon when it wasn't identified. Ultima has always included puzzles.

    I do understand though that UO is complicated and even knowing what to add on a weapon to fit in the properties needed can be complex. There was a history to the HSL and HML changing based on swing speed and it wasn't like that when the release was first introduced. They were all the same as HLL, but then they leached too high and they tweaked to the formula you posted.

    If someone came up with a nifty way to simplify the whole method the devs would be all ears. My bet is they didn't have a better idea in the allocated amount of development time to release and wanted to keep maximum flexibility.

    -Lorax